The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

Originally posted by Eidolon23
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

*sigh*

Here ya go, friend. Back there on page 6:

"I propose a third layer:

"What little we know scares the almighty existential piss out of us. If we're having a hard time not acting like newly beheaded chickens, we certainly aren't about to consider the possibility that the American public, who we perceive as overgrown children, will handle it any better. Moreover, we don't want to look like a bunch of idiots in front of the international community by copping to our failure to get a grip on the phenom."

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There's a motive for impartial/misleading disclosure. It's the one I happen to think is closest to the mark, but I can only guess, right?

This is classic. I love it!

First off, your sigh is so indicative... as though you tire of hearing a repeated request that has been present all along... and gut knows this very well, which is why he keeps reinforcing the promise... yet goes to even more trouble to avoid the actual consensus. Very revealing of intention.

Now then, let's look at the statement "what we know scares the almighty existential piss out of us" is in other words saying, this is so bad even us government thugs can't handle it so you need to be very afraid... and you need to let us handle it.

Classic disinfo tactic...and a little bit more on that FEAR.

So many in the government half ass come forward and say that they have been made to feel that their lives are in danger...and I LOVE exact quotes that contain very threatening insinuations about non-disclosure agreements..and how even though they think the truth should be known, YOU DON'T TELL... BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN!



most of these types coming from the military... You know... THE MILITARY?

The place where you go to serve for what you think is right and risk your life with ABSOLUTE PROOF that it's very likely you might get your head blown off... yeah, that military. They'll stand in front of an enemy gun but when it comes to standing up for truth, they turn into little girls... and researchers lap it right up.

Seriously, you don't really buy this do you?

OH BUT WE ARE SO AFRAID FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL... you know, because they are so considerate of not going around causing mayhem... the government... yeah... right.

AND THEN... you have the big white elephant in the room. They merely just want to FEEL OUT disclosure, trickle it to us in little pieces and in all sorts of angles that lead us to believe all kinds of crazy stuff that might make some go completely mad in this long drawn out process we call disclosure... even if we are using completely contrasting angles that make us look like nothing more than a bunch of very obvious liars... and this concludes our consensus of why our government builds direct energy weapons and use them on the public.

OH THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW.

Anyone else want to try?

Seriously, this was fun... let's do it again sometime.

I'm laughing so hard, my Gutstesticles hurt!! Alright, enough is enough. Plus, Aspie is getting on my nerves. Lotta blah, no "eureka."

I'll bring the pony home as promised. I really wanted to dig into and share some fascinating stuff with y'all about the early days of modern phenomenology, internet philosophy, and Msrs Valle, Green, and Puthoff...but maybe we can still get to that if there's anyone left standing after the ensuing shoot-out. Everybunny locked & loaded? Here we go:

Eidolon & FireMoon ferreted out the answer first. Yes, it's about the antithetical battling of religious concepts.

Having said that, I hope we keep in mind FireMoon's observations and realize, no matter our own personal beliefs, that this was an attempt to manipulate public opinion with faulty material.

Some, realizing this "meme within the meme" aspect, the part that DIDN'T have to do with our hypothesized Government Meme Experiment on our "psychiatrically ill" ufo community, may deem the Birds heroes for the attempt. Other's will continue to see them as villains. Others will remain neutral.

I have my own spiritual beliefs. I come by them honestly. Some of you know them, some of you don't. It's not my intention to discuss them here.

Those here that know me a little more personally, know, I think, that I love and respect them dearly and love to discuss all sorts of theories and aspects of the ufological and/or metaphysical realms.

Make of it what you will & Let the games and name callin' begin!!!

(the [MJ-12] “Philosophy” as described in the 2007 MUFON document) that would eventually make their way into the early 80’s versions of the MJ-12 documents, and eventually, Project Serpo in 2005 as well. This philosophy was injected and mixed up with the common UFO "lore".

(1) A secret book containing information about an “EBE” (Extra-terrestrial Biological Entity) and multiple alien races.
(2) Early history of humanity from 10,000 years ago to the time of Christ, suggesting Christ as a central theme.
(3) Captured Alien Craft/Technology and Bodies/Prisoners.
(4) Aliens as vegetarians.
(5) Their star-system having a double-star, or double-sun.

Serpo – More of the Same

The Aquarius document and MJ12 stories originated from the same place and had the same themes, the “Philosophy” that MUFON investigators recognized from the MJ12 information...All of those sources seek to promote the same philosophy.

(1) A secret book containing information about “EBE”, multiple alien races
(2) Early history from 10,000 years ago to the time of Christ
(3) Captured Alien Craft and Bodies/Prisoners (Genetic Engineering)
(4) Aliens as vegetarians
(5) Their star-system having a double-star, or double-sun.

In the section which deals with the philosophy behind the need to maintain a “Top Secret” posture for as long as possible with respect to the Aquarius data...

(A) The events surrounding Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Christian religion were manipulations affected [sic] by beings of an advanced civilization from another world. [snip]

(B) Release of this data to the public would not only severely cripple the ability of the government (indeed any government in the Western world) to effectively govern, but would also severely damage the very fibre [sic] of Western civilization as we know it."

The common theme is always the same – (1) Aliens “planting” Christ, (2) Hints of Genetic Manipulation throughout our evolution (notice the focus on evolution). (3) Alien technology far exceeds our own but we have the potential to reverse-engineer it. From the MJ-12 documents:

This first section injects the concept of Christ as a "planted" human.

“(TS/ORCON) Most governmental documents pertaining to UFO sightings, incidents and governmental policies, including Project Blue Book, have been released to the public under FOIA or under various other release programs. [snip…] There was other information obtained from EBE that was deemed sensitive and not releasable to the public. Notably, Project Aquarius Volume IX, which pertains to tracing the Aliens’ first visitation of earth back some 5,000 years. EBE reported that 2,000 years ago his ancestors planted a human creature on earth to assist the inhabitants of earth in developing a civilization... if this information was released to the public, it would cause a worldwide religious panic. MJ3 has developed a plan that will allow release of Project Aquarius, Volumes I thru III.”

The next injected meme focuses on genetics.

“1. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT BANDO: (PROWORD: RISK) Originally established in 1949. Its mission was to collect and evaluate medical information from the surviving Aliens [sic] creature and the recovered Alien bodies. This Project medically examined EBE and provided United States medical researchers with certain answers to the evolution theory

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I must say I do believe the embarrassment factor comes in. When someone high up is so used to walking around with an over inflated ego, they can't handle uncertainties because that ego lives off of assurance of awards and notoriety.

Truth is always secondary to an inflated ego... not to mention how it impedes progress because it's way too busy reassuring itself to clearly see and prioritize simple right and wrong.

Yes gut, and no one knows it better than you why you find me so annoying. It's because I'm going to remind you that there's absolutely nothing new about the information you just quoted and more. I'm not sure if this is supposed to inspire some mass epiphany, but it is pretty much already known by many people.

So when you speak of "A lot of blah, but no Eureka"... most (who are not biased or YOURSELF *ahem*) are going to understand that this is merely a self realization on your part that you are trying to meld onto me because that is one of your MOs. Meld, blur, obscure, plant etc etc...

But anyway (because I find psychoanalyzing you pretty boring) let's see if we can get you to try again and tell us how YOU really feel about this information that you seem to think you've just dug out of a treasure trove and tell us why you think it's so important.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

First off, your sigh is so indicative... as though you tire of hearing a repeated request that has been present all along...

Er, you did repeatedly ask for a potential motive (as if being able to neutralize or exploit religious memes did not present a very obvious one). And I felt slightly exasperated because there are plenty of potential motives littering the thread, so your reiterating your demands seemed disingenuous.

Now then, let's look at the statement "what we know scares the almighty existential piss out of us" is in other words saying, this is so bad even us government thugs can't handle it so you need to be very afraid... and you need to let us handle it.

You know? Mea culpa. I didn't mean to imply that I think there is anything to be feared from the Fortean stuff (insufficient data = suspension of anxiety), but think it a very understandable reaction if the nature of the phenom is ID.

reply to post by NotAnAspie
I don't know, Aspie. I'm sorry, but I truly can't get a handle on where you're coming from and you seem confused and continually mix up some of the points in this thread.

I'm willing to take some of the blame for that.

I do admit that Dube & Broadbent deserve a LOT of credit for the research here.

I also contend that I've made some connections and dug deeper into the TIGER paper than I've come across. Actually thought I "found" the study first, then about half-way through the thread, I found Dube had aced me again.

I also brought some Vallee to the table in ways I haven't personally seen. That part gets good---better, I think. I hope someone(s) is/are interested in looking into that further. I LOVE Jacques even if he is--reputedly--an Aviary whatever that means.

I wasn't aware, from what you've stated here so far, that everyone knew about this information but, according to you, you did. I'm not sure why you kept talking about some Guy(Entity?) that was impregnating women against their will, then, instead of the topic.

You sure didn't add anything to the topic. I treated you nice, you called me names. I got bored of it, go figure.

Your own thread may give you a world-view to filter the information through. I only offer the information for other folk to filter it through their own.

Do I, personally, think some of the themes here add up to a scary future? Heeell Yeah!

Am I gonna discuss that with you? Hell no. I'm sorry. Your thread:

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