A Curse of Conspiracy

"The Toltec seers were extraordinary men - powerful sorcerers, somber, driven men who unraveled mysteries and possessed secret knowledge that they used to influence and victimize people by fixating the awareness of theeir victims on whatever they chose"

That quote if from the beginning of Castaneda book "Fire from within". The fact that attention can be manipulated and fixated should come as no surprise for those aware of the shinannigans the MSM gets up to.

Combine that with the basic metaphysical concept of changing the way we conceptualize things. The way we conceptualize things can drastically change our world view. Diet soda is a healthy alternative for some, for others it's poisoned by aspertame. The only difference between a dream and a lucid dream is the fact that you think of it as a dream as opposed to thinking about it as real (or even thinking about it as an OBE can change the same dream into something different for the experiencer).

Now consider the curse of conspiracy as a means to turn everything in somebody's world into a festering pile of crap. The air we breathe poisoned by chemtrails, our food by GMOs and chemicals, our water by fluoride, our leaders corrupted by greed. There is nothing the curse of conspiracy can not taint.

Do you think it's possible conspiracy is tricking us into creating an ugly world for ourselves, focusing on the negative rather than the beauty in the world?

Just some food for thought.

Ive realized now after about two years of conspiracy theories that its all down to perspective.
One mans terrorist is another mans Palestinian and one mans Israeli Commando is another mans murderer etc
When I see a news article about how the police state is growing or how tensions are rising in the middle east it gets me down and the world looks bleaker..

I sort of understand your concept, And these theories do make MY world worse but this isn't MY world, it's our world. I am of the understanding that us theorists are in the minority and most people brush off these concepts so their world is fine and dandy while ours may be on the brink of war, Financial crisis or maybe a huge planet is on its way over here to spoil our party...

I just find that funny.

I agree, in some ways but I don't think we are being tricked rather than we are tricking ourselves, or maybe this is what life is meant to be like once you leave the fake tanned, pop music culture we used to all live in...

Food for thought...

I'm yet to stumble on a single conspiracy theory that actually is a conspiracy. So, yes, your life is bad because of these non-existent things, then you're clearly wasting it.

People conspire all the time.
Conspiracy is a fact of life.
Whether some one's Theory about a particular perceived conspiracy is correct is what is up for debate.
To blindly believe everything is a conspiracy can only bring personal misery and paranoia
Yet conspiracy's do exist and have existed throughout history.
It is up to the individual to discern truth however

I can agree with this. I usually only visit ATS for Philosophy and Science, I leave the hot conspiracy subjects to the others because I know it isn't going to do anything healthy for me.

"Ignorance is bliss." + "Deny ignorance" = "Deny blissfulness".

I don't know, maybe some people do actually feel happier knowing that all the food we eat is killing them, even the air we breathe. Or that the people that are in charge of us and run our land do not care about us at all. Maybe some people do actually like to hear every week that this is going to be the final tsunami, earthquake, meteor, hurricane, etc, etc, et freaking cetera, that finally kills us.

Whether you know or not isn't going to change anything.


You always hear about how "cooky" a lot of the people are that invest so much of their time to conspiracy theories, but I think we can agree that's a rash generalization. However, I have noticed a lot of people that could possibly be diagnosed with a mental disability having a certain fixation for conspiracy theories which causes them a lot of paranoia. The one thing I haven't figured out yet is: Do the paranoid people come here or do regular people come here and then develop paranoia? It certainly can't help.

Example:

Some people on this site would say that he is just a guy that learned to much and is now suffering for it, or that maybe the government did something to him to make him crazy after he learned this information. That's not true. A lot of us have the same ideals as him and the government hasn't done anything to us. Truthfully, he probably really is schizophrenic.


I understand the want not to be ignorant to things, but knowledge will only take you so far and a lot of times can and will hurt you. I think the best advice would just be to distance yourself from these things. Take them for what you will but don't invest all your time and soul into a theory because you are fearful it will mean your death.

Nobody gets out of this world alive, any way.

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Do you think it's possible conspiracy is tricking us into creating an ugly world for ourselves, focusing on the negative rather than the beauty in the world?

Actually, it's worse than that. Most conspiracies discussed on internet sites like this one don't exist. For example, there are no chemtrails, genetically modified crops and foods have never harmed anybody or anything, fluoride in water supplies is not particularly dangerous – there are plenty of places, including where I live, where the water supply is naturally fluoridated – and while there have been greedy, corrupt leaders throughout history, people have got by, the human race still prospers and thrives.

Originally posted by StrangeWayz
I don't think we are being tricked rather than we are tricking ourselves, or maybe this is what life is meant to be like once you leave the fake tanned, pop music culture we used to all live in.

I don't think it's either/or.

Yes, conspiracy theorists trick themselves. And yes, the world is not a bed of roses. It is full of scary possibilities and people doing bad things to one another. There's actually plenty to worry about – but it isn't chemtrails, fluoride in water, 'mercury' in vaccines, Morgellons disease, alien abductions, black helicopters or shadowy elite groups taking over the world.

Oriinally posted by Consequence
I'm yet to stumble on a single conspiracy theory that actually is a conspiracy.

Same here.

Originally posted by Erroneous Dylan
You always hear about how "cooky" a lot of the people are that invest so much of their time to conspiracy theories, but I think we can agree that's a rash generalization.

Agreed. Look at people like Phage, who obviously has an interest in conspiracy theories but doesn't actually believe in any. There are actually quite a few people like that on ATS.

Originally posted by Erroneous Dylan
However, I have noticed a lot of people that could possibly be diagnosed with a mental disability having a certain fixation for conspiracy theories which causes them a lot of paranoia.

Again agreed. It is perfectly obvious that many ATS members aren't quite on the straight and level.

Originally posted by Erroneous Dylan
The one thing I haven't figured out yet is: Do the paranoid people come here or do regular people come here and then develop paranoia? It certainly can't help.

Well, I've been here seven years and I think I'm okay so far. Mind you, a sample of one proves nothing...

Originally posted by Erroneous Dylan
Nobody gets out of this world alive, any way.

Precisely.

Every conspiracy theory I've ever seen, no matter how elaborate it is on the surface, is usually very simple, indeed simplistic, at root – they all boil down to 'Some bad people are responsible for my problems'. I think conspiracy theorists are anxious folk who don't cope well with the complexities of real life, so they go for these simplistic, models or reality that give them an obvious something or someone to blame for their troubles.

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That's another good point. I think a lot of people are too arrogant to take the blame and too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives.

To further elaborate on my previous points, I think people take the whole concept of red pill/blue pill with way too much faith. The theory goes that taking the red pill will have you face the harsh reality of truth and could cause suffering but in the long run it may better you. That isn't necessarily true. You could just as easily take all your paranoia and suffering with you to the death bed and come to no final revelations that were a result of being more aware of the way the world is. A dark fate but it is very plausible.