A Really Sad Picture That I Saw Today, Left Me Speechless

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But this picture kind of spoke so much when I glanced at it
It said so much

So much about the people, so much about partisanship and basic common sense & humanity

In the back of my mind I'm still a little happy because many people woke up and the young may grow up to follow freedom & basic common sense.

But the snapshot of today's intelligence and leadership is just so low
When I say leadership I really mean individualism, I mean people who will decide on their own which direction to take rather than follow the herd.

Just thought I would share this

reply to post by ModernAcademia


S&F! Nothing more to say, you pretty much said it all...........

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Well, between the RP pic and your avatar, I may just cry...


On a less profound note, as you said MA, some woke up...gotta start somewhere chief.

Well we do have Gary Johnson.

I'd vote for him before I'd vote for obamney.

Although I do agree with the caption to some degree I would like to know where it originated. The good doctor has been steadfastly letting us all know that he is not the end of this movement and I do agree with him on that. I do believe that Ron Paul was cheated and that the system is rigged. I also believe in not giving up, which is why I cannot completely support the defeatist attitude that the graphic displays. S&F but we must NEVER GIVE UP!

Civilization has reached another peak, time for the burning now. Rome burnt, what makes us think we are any different?

I agree, its a aad state of affairs.

Its got to the stage where the corrupt in power dont even recognise thier corruption anymore and there is no one brave enough to arrest them. This is why the world will burn and us along with it.

Ron Paul wanted collapse... You HAVE to fall to ashes before success can rise.

reply to post by TheMindWar


Ya but Nero started the fire

Perhaps it will be the same
You must destroy in order to rebuild

Orbo Ab Chao

If I thought assassinations would change anything I would peruse that route. Unfortunately it would change absolutely nothing and is a worthless endeavor.

Where to begin?
The Senators?
The Congressmen?
The Corporations? CEO's, board of directors?
The Lobbyists?
The religious leaders in bed with everyone?
The Masons?
The foreign influence?
The Military Industrial Complex? The pentagon?
The corrupt judges?

See the thing is this. People LIKE the system. They do not want to change the system. They just want to change their place IN that system. They want to be the one's who are rich, the one's who are powerful, who are famous, popular, celebrities.

Greed for money, greed for power are human instincts. They are innate. We are, "born this way". Very few of us have the capacity to physically fight off this urge, to control it, to deny it.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I understand what you're saying. But not everyone who supports someone other than Ron Paul does so because of the Party. Most of us actually disagree with his policies. I gave Ron Paul a sincere consideration and HE makes me a non-supporter, not anything else.

reply to post by CALGARIAN

You may well be right about that. Thank you for bringing that line of thought to my attention.

As an American I believe that the America of the 1950's is well and gone. And on purpose. America failed for one reason. The citizens had too much power and say in their country. Those who covet power want all the power. And they found a way to get it.

Start small, get the momentum rolling and soon it will be unstoppable. It is now to the point where the government can do what it wants and nobody can say otherwise. I look at the TSA, the drones and every other agency that is setup to erode our freedoms and I see America for what it is. Power on top controlling the peons on the bottom. Those who still believe in the America setup by our founding fathers are just living a delusion.

The current political environment shows how we have been hoodwinked. Do we really want either Obama or Romney? The Presidential election is just misdirection. Keep your eyes over here and feel as if this country is still what it claims it used to be. No, America is here in name only and we, as its citizens, let it fail.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I understand what you're saying. But not everyone who supports someone other than Ron Paul does so because of the Party. Most of us actually disagree with his policies. I gave Ron Paul a sincere consideration and HE makes me a non-supporter, not anything else.

Well here's my view
Please understand i'm not trying to bring partisan bickering about

But during Bush there were ALOT of anti-war protesters, they were everywhere
After Obama got into power they dissapeared even though the war has EXPANDED into the entire middle east...stll nothing.

That makes me think it was just an anti-republican movement not a anti-war protest
Which makes me think that everything from gay rights to the welfare system is not something that the majority of liberals really believe in, but rather is just a form of light but highly effective indoctrination.
It's just part of the agenda to push
Once Obama had a campaing funding event, people PAID to be there then a substantial number of attendees started singing about releasing Bradley Manning. But they even said even if Obama does nothing about they will still vote for him.
So either they don't really care or even if they do it's not enough to change their vote which renders their 'caring' irrelevant.

So I think that those who voted for someone else voted for the wrong reasons and there is too much blood in their hands for voting differently for reasons that th person they will vote for wont' even enforce.

btw I can say the same for the conservatives as well just so you know it's not partisan bickering.
Warhawks are NOT fiscal conservatives especially during an economic crisis
Warhawks do not represent the "life party" while bombing innocent civilians

If Ron Paul wasn't in the campaign and Dennis Kuccinich was you would see me making positive threads about him even though I am completely against the entitlement system & free healthcare.

It's about what's really important!

Originally posted by DirectDemocracy

See the thing is this. People LIKE the system. They do not want to change the system. They just want to change their place IN that system. They want to be the one's who are rich, the one's who are powerful, who are famous, popular, celebrities.

Greed for money, greed for power are human instincts. They are innate. We are, "born this way". Very few of us have the capacity to physically fight off this urge, to control it, to deny it.

Nail, head.
You hit it.

I am glad there is at least one other person out there that understands what is going on here.
People love the system.


This country suffers from mass stockholm sydrome.
I've been saying it for years.
It is sad and it is sick, but it is true.
Look it up, you'll see.

It seems the more we get abused the more we cling to our abuser.
This country reminds me of a battered house wife.
What do you do when YOU want the abuse to stop but everyone else is fine with it???
Go down with the ship?
Well, the ship is going down, and we with it. Because we,collectively, don't have the balls to leave that prick and start a new life.



He keeps telling us that if we leave him he'll kill us.

He also tells us that if we fight back we're only gonna make it worse.

He apologises the next morning and assures us it will never happen again.
And we believe him.
Because we want to believe him.
Because we love him so much and can't imagine life without him.

Plus, we tell ourselves that it is our fault anyway and that if WE wouln't have kept nagging about more freedom then none of it would have happened in the first place.

We swear we're gonna put a stop to it if it gets much worse.
Afterall, it is starting to affect our kids. They are seeing what is being done to us and they are scared and confused.

But,, we're never really going to do anything about it because it would mean leaving our comfort zone.
Who wants to pick up and start all over?
It is easier to just deal with him when he gets angry and abusive.
Best to just stay out of his way when he gets like this.

Some of our friends confront us and tell us "this isn't OK. You deserve better" but, we get angry and lash out at them. "You don't know him like I know him!!! HE is a really sweet guy. He is just misunderstood"



Yup, I'm not the only one who's "screwed".

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It doesn't stop with the wars. I see exactly what you are talking about here.
Many of the demonstrators and vocal opponents of the original Patriot Act have openly embraced the seriously expanded Patriot Act instruments we've seen over the past 4 years.
Many who protested any level of non-transparency by Bush have been eerily silent with this, the most secretive, least transparent administration in history.
Many who complained about Bush signing executive orders have said nothing about Obama doing the same.

This works in reverse, as many who were complacent with Bush have ripped Obama for the same stuff they tolerated previously.

That said, I think the lack of support for Ron Paul comes from a lot of issues the Paul supporters refuse to accept. He's not a powerful presence. The guy has a lot of great ideas, but he presents himself as a aged, frail old man. Also, I think it is backwards to carry out a revolution in the US starting with the presidency. If Congress and the Senate aren't somehow on board with the sitting president, ZERO changes will take place. In many ways a Ron Paul presidency would be wasted as none of his meaningful changes would get through Congress to become law. Changes must begin with the law makers, then you find a candidate who supports that platform to serve as president.

Originally posted by ObservingTheWorld
As an American I believe that the America of the 1950's is well and gone. And on purpose. America failed for one reason. The citizens had too much power and say in their country. Those who covet power want all the power. And they found a way to get it.

This is 100% correct.
What the collapse of the US will show us is the plain and simple truth that people are ultimately self-seeking. Time after time, people have voted for the candidate that they felt would best serve to perpetuate, or improve, their personal standard of living, while ignoring the broader needs of the country and even community around them.

Remember this?



I'm aware that this (ridiculously stupid) woman is an extreme example, but it is nonetheless an example of the self-servitude that democracy encourages and perpetuates. Vote for Bush, get a tax cut! Vote for Obama, get your gas free (how'd that work out?)! Vote for Romney, get free healthcare!

The fact is, our current capitalist/democratic systems encourage the development of an 'entitlement society'. The utterly tragic truth is that it would probably take a dictator to turn things around, because it's almost impossible to break that entitlement mold once it's been established. People don't want their standards of living reduced, or what they have taken away. They'd rather see their current standards perpetuated at the cost of the economy and their future... and while some people have woken up to that fact, the vast majority simply don't care about a 16 trillion dollar defecit, as long as they're comfortable with their huge TV's, their broadband, their government cheques and so on.

...and they'll remain comfortable while the world falls down around them, and the once great US Empire collapses into a heap of ash, rubble, and socialistic rhetoric.

...and they'll have no one to blame but themselves when it does.

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How does wanting to pay less in taxes equate to being an entitlement society? If anything, the higher taxes are a great indicator of how ridiculously entitled the government believes it is. Nobody should be entitled to lay claim to any portion of a mans sweat equity, the fruit of their labor. NOBODY. Working, earning, and harboring the expectation of having a say over your own money isn't 'entitlement' it's liberty... Something America was (allegedly) built upon.

It seems the more we get abused the more we cling to our abuser. This country reminds me of a battered house wife. What do you do when YOU want the abuse to stop but everyone else is fine with it??? Go down with the ship? Well, the ship is going down, and we with it. Because we,collectively, don't have the balls to leave that prick and start a new life.

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Amazing!

Then along came this really nice guy who was honest and caring, a veteran, a doctor! And we had a real shot at him too, but instead we listened to all our stupid friends who said, NO! He's crazy, he's kooky, it'll never work! So what did we do? We went right back to the prick who is determined, now more than ever, to never let a man like that court us so closely again.

Screwed indeed.

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Rome went through a procession of psychotic tyrants before it fell. Our psycho-tyrants are always in the wings pulling strings. To them, this whole world is nothing more than a heartless real time board game with real death, real pain, real suffering. Stuff the rich really can't relate to.

As far as they're concerned, we are nothing more than the wretched by-products of drunken rages. We deserve no regard, and everything that's coming to us.

Sometimes gardens need to be weeded. Sometimes mighty oaks need to be pruned. Culling is a natural process and humans are not out of its reach. I don't think I can get much doomier than that.

Ron Paul by just being Ron Paul has shown us how corrupt this system has become. He's like a flashlight in a kitchen full of roaches.

Oh good Lord, I've spent way too much time on ATS this week.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

I guess you've never taken anyone to the emergency room who has been beaten for being gay.
Never attended a funeral for someone killed for being gay.
btw; the 2 parties are crap, marraige is a joke, and govt is fraught w/treason.
The wheels have come off the cart.