Stay Out Of HELL.

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Could you maybe present your own case instead of rehashing the same old bible quotes over and over? Can you make an argument for yourself at all? Or do you need the bible to talk for you?

reply to post by ResearchEverything777


Could you maybe present your own case instead of rehashing the same old bible quotes over and over? Can you make an argument for yourself at all? Or do you need the bible to talk for you?

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For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11

Nice example of someone, Paul, putting words in Jesus' mouth, words that he never said.

Paul was the father of the corruption of the teachings of Jesus. His church and his lies is what he still have today.

Originally posted by windword
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For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11

Nice example of someone, Paul, putting words in Jesus' mouth, words that he never said.

Paul was the father of the corruption of the teachings of Jesus. His church and his lies is what he still have today.

Yup, Paul is the prime example of the nutty stuff that ended up in the bible as being from Jesus. Paul had a dream, never met Jesus, and all the Paul game pure non-sense.

Nothing Paul says can be counted on for anything, other than he was a wanna be cling on to the Jesus name and tossed out nonsense on the fly.

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I have a feeling that Paul was never even a real person, only someone the Romans shoe horned into the story in order to push their own agenda.

Paul started off by persecuting Christians to all of a sudden getting a vision from Jesus teaching him stuff never uttered out of his mouth while still alive. How convenient for them.

It amazes me that Christians cannot see the obvious differences between what Jesus said while alive and what he supposedly told Paul in his vision. That fact alone bugs me to death about them, they REFUSE to see the obvious and just decide to ignore it.

ETA: I also don't think it's a coincidence that Paul's most important book is called "Romans" either. That is the book where the idea of salvation through Jesus and faith is first introduced.

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Oh I think Paul was a real person, but I don't think that he was responsible for all the writings that he's credited with.

I think Jesus was real person too. But I think that many of the things that he was credited with were outright lies or morphed mythology into the "Christ" theme.

I think Paul was the person that Jesus warned of..

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

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I personally believe that if Paul was a real person he was commissioned by the Romans to write the story of his conversion. Either way, if he was a real person or not, his story was made up by Romans in order to push their agenda on others.

What Jesus taught was so dangerous to the power structure they had set up that they started killing and torturing his followers in order to teach others to think twice about conversion.

While they were persecuting early Christians who followed Jesus' true message, they decided to kill two birds with one stone and take Jesus' story and twist it for their own benefit, so they made up the story of a man named Paul who at first persecuted then had a miraculous vision straight from Jesus himself who told him you must have "faith" he died on the cross in order to get to heaven. This would take away all the power from the people back to them and their new church because Paul and his church were the new "father" and they were the authority on how you actually achieved eternal life.

It seems so blatantly obvious that this is what happened in my opinion.

This is a great article that shows just how much what Paul said contradicted what Jesus said: Link

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1 Timothy 2:7
And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles

I think this verse is the most telling of what Paul's true intention was. Notice how he says "I am not lying", someone who is actually telling the truth would not say that in my opinion. It seems like he's trying to convince the reader of a lie.

"A message he had from God that he wanted to send to the world before he died,"

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I know huh!?

Any parent or spouse will tell you, "When they say 'I'm not lying', they're lying!

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Do you believe all of Paul's writings in the bible were influenced by the Roman Leaders?
What was their agenda?

Honest questions, I have not heard if this theory before?

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He talks a whole lot about "security". He believes in what Paul said because he wants security, but from what? Hell. He is so terrified of hell that he will believe anything to try and stay away from it, no matter how many lies he's told he will believe it because that belief gives him "security".

Hell is not real, the only reason you believe what you believe is because you believe in a fictional place and the church has used your fear of hell to get you to think a certain way just as they did with that old man.

Also, him getting to see a glimpse of heaven is a load of hooey, the bible says no one goes to heaven then comes back to tell about it. The only way you get into "heaven" is when you are dead with no chance of being revived. He simply had a dream in my opinion.

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Of course, their agenda was to take control of what Jesus taught and pervert it so that his true message would be lost. The book that first speaks of faith and salvation is a book by Paul named "Romans". That's not a coincidence in my opinion. It is also referred to as the most important book in the bible by many.

DP

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The Romans went through a lot of work to pervert Jesus true message. Paul wrote a lot of letters to churches.
What where they afraid of? What was Jesus true message? (rhetorical)
Just my initial thoughts. I will research this later.

Thank you

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OP I admire what you are trying to do. I really do. A commendable task. But I hope you learn something here my friend. This message of judgement isn't yours to send and you only drive people away, especially here on ATS.

Originally posted by randyvs
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OP I admire what you are trying to do. I really do. A commendable task. But I hope you learn something here my friend. This message of judgement isn't yours to send and you only drive people away, especially here on ATS.

Well Said...I'll Let Them Soak...Some May Receive...Other's Will Remember Everything...

"At The White Throne Judgment"

7 He who is victorious shall inherit all these things, and I will be God to him and he shall be My son.
8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)—[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.
Revelation 21

Originally posted by ResearchEverything777

Originally posted by randyvs
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OP I admire what you are trying to do. I really do. A commendable task. But I hope you learn something here my friend. This message of judgement isn't yours to send and you only drive people away, especially here on ATS.

Well Said...I'll Let Them Soak...Some May Receive...Other's Will Remember Everything...

"At The White Throne Judgment"

What makes you so damn holy.....?

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Coming from the guy who has yet to make a point of his own.