The conspiracy to make YOUR life PATHETIC... what can you do about it?

A conspiracy we're all familiar with, and yet, the solution for it is usually a gray area, or a mystery.

Anyone who takes the conspiracy world seriously--the secret societies, brainwashing us, controlling our lives and gearing our society so that we live the way they order us to live--know that everything around us is a question mark. You can't watch anything on tv or see anything on a billboard without thinking... how is that meant to affect us? How is that supposed to brainwash us? What is that supposed to do to us? What if they're in my head?

You can't have a thought without wondering... is that what they want me to think? You can't get a job without feeling like a sell-out to society, when you're faced with paying the bills and working at walmart is your only option...

And, when you talk to your friends, BS-ing about which actor was in which movie, or what their favorite song is and why, you can't help but think... God, this is pointless. There are so many huge problems in the world, and we're all sitting here, doing nothing, talking about things that don't matter at all...

So, when you're my age, and your mind is wrapped around this paranoid fear, you have to wonder... what can I do that's not selling out? Me personally, I feel angry when I see things in media and in society that are immoral, disgusting, and straight-up spineless and evil. So, I don't want to blend into it. I don't want it at all. Sadly, since it's what so much of our world is made of, it's nearly impossible to escape.

My fiance and my friends and I, all around age 19 and 20, are looking to move into our own place after our lease is up--and we're gonna need another vehicle, and a good amount of money to move--so we're in a tight spot.

One of my friends feels the same way I do--that we can't get money and make a living without selling out to some establishment that doesn't do anything truly productive, or that is an evil money machine.... like a fast food place, or walmart, or a giant corporate business. It's nearly impossible to find a way to make a living doing real productive work that we'd be happy doing, like selling food that's NOT genetically altered, or taking care of kids without being made to vaccinate them. We're always harassed by the adults in our life, always told that "if you don't just get a job, you're mooching off your friends, and you're being a mooch and a loser" and ect ect... Btw, my friends and I do make money and contribute, but neither of us have a normal, legit job right now.

The adults in our life are miserable individuals, by the way... and their jobs and life styles made them miserable (the life style that is indoctrinated into us from the start of our lives, accepting jobs we hate, just getting by instead of doing amazing things with our lives, ect ect). And when we ask why they follow that miserable way of life, they respond "because that's just what you do, you HAVE to."

That really annoys me.

I mean it, I am frustrated to the point where I have planned out exactly how to be homeless again if it comes to it, rather than being forced into a life that I hate. Not that I want that or anything, but I'd rather be broke and starving than be a sell-out and hate my life. Not even kidding.

I am so sick of being looked down on because I'm not the same miserable sell-out as them. I have babysat and done odd jobs, because I feel like they're more productive... but it's not nearly enough to live from.

But, really... living paycheck to paycheck, talking about nothing but the movies and shows you like, and never doing anything meaningful with your life, can't be what we live for. This is not our purpose.

You think of working in a hospital to help people--then you think of how many times you'd be forced to vaccinate someone. You think of being a lawyer, then you think of how many evil, crooked people you'd have to defend. It seems like almost nothing you can do can be right or good, and still bring in a livable paycheck.

This is what they want, for us to live in a pointless, circle of a life, trapped in a routine with no real beliefs and cares. They want us to worship money, and sadly, most of us do.

Is that what you want?

What can we do about this?

You use the term "sell out" an awful lot. Let me give you the perspective from a 46 year old, father of two children frame of mind.

Your parents are miserable because they're tired. They've slaved their butts off to provide you with a comfortable enough life that you can not have a job right now and can be well fed and sheltered enough to ponder these types of things. They wanted nice things because, when you are a parent, you want your kids to have nice things - so you sacrifice your own wants for your kids sake.

Until you get married and hear those words "Honey, I'm pregnant", you won't be able to understand. It's a great pressure to know that you are about to be responsible for the life of another being. It's enough to make a person put the needs of others before their own sense of pride.

~Heff

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reply to post by Hefficide


I understand your point, believe me. I don't know what it's like to be a parent, but I'm kind of doing the next best thing, I think. My little brother and sister are stuck in a bad living environment, and I've had to play parent to them. I've worked out many scenarios where they'd come live with me, but my family is a twenty-layered spider web of BS, and it's really hard to get untangled from. I know what it's like to think of the scenario, "I have kids to take care of, I don't have time to worry about other stuff."

But, I'm not actually IN that situation, and my bro and sis will grow up with me, and over the next ten years, will be my age, so it's definitely not to the degree that a parent deals with. I'm not comparing myself to a parent, I know parents have it hardest. Please, if I sound disrespectful, I'm not meaning to...

At the same time, though, I feel like I would owe it to my children to teach them alternative ways of life, teach them lots of realistic things, and teach them how to get by without working for big evil machine-like corporations. That's just my thought, though. I don't think that would change if I had children, but I'm not sure.

My fiance does a lot for me. He works at walmart for us, because I haven't finished school yet, and he tells me every day how much he hates it, and it drives me crazy that he's making that sacrifice for me. I want us both to do something we like.

It's really hard to find that, though.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


I understand what you are saying exactly. Im glad you said it. Lots of people feel the same way. Its good to know that some people have a social conscience. Its good to know some people seek a more fair and sane society.

reply to post by seabhac-rua


Lol.

You're a prime example of someone who can't think outside the box. I just think it's wrong that the whole of our society is a bunch of self-obsessed money worshipers, and I don't want to become that.

There's a picture going around facebook showing a little girl, crying her eyes out because she got a white 16 GB iphone instead of the black 32 GB one that she asked for. THAT is is whining. And THAT sickens me.

I'm sorry if having morals makes someone a whiner in your eyes. You just prove my point.

reply to post by glen200376


Not gonna lie, I actually did consider it once. Couldn't do it, though. It seemed kinda hypocritical that I rebel from an immoral society to preform something immoral.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


You weren't disrespectful at all. No need for apologies. It's just that I've got two teens and two nephews who are all between 16 and 21 - so I actually have this same conversation quite often.

Oh, and my apologies... I referred to you in a male specific way. Just habit for me on the net. You referred to your fiance and stated he is male, so I'll assume you are female... though if you aren't then that's cool too.

Unlike many people my age, I still connect with the person I was when I was a teenager in a pretty meaningful way. I was in a band that had some pretty strong regional celebrity for awhile and I've always idealized that period of my life and the person I was during it. I look back and fancy myself in that role of misunderstood artist and dreamer. And, yes, I rebelled against the machinery and conventions of society too. The point is, as I grew older, I learned why people do the things they do. I've worked jobs that tore my soul out of my body - and was happy because I knew that I was suffering a bit so that my family would benefit. That's the ingredient that you're not familiar with yet. The strength that fills you when you're doing something for the group and not just for yourself. There is a pride in it that the machine can't steal from you. There is a sense of personal accomplishment to be had in it. And there's a peace and resolve in it as well.

People don't lose that feeling of disenfranchisement you are expressing... they adapt it and use it to fuel their own success. And this is a good thing. For me that realization came from being a parent. For others it's the want of possessions that drives them. Whatever the case... take your feelings and apply them to something. I guarantee you that you'll feel more fulfilled if you do so. And then you'll be able to change what you don't like from the inside.

~Heff

You can create your own job, you can work for a small business or even better, a medium sized business. Thecompany i work for has a couple hundred employees, but ive had the owner of the company walk up to my truck while im dropping a tanker and ask how my days going. If theres a problem with my pay, i can just walk in his office and tell him im quitting. Apparently im not allowed to.

But i still feel like a sell out. I basically haul soap products. One of my customers is Monsanto......barf. i haul the ingredients for about 75% of brand name soaps and shampoos on the market, among other things.

And i work 60 or more hours every week, ugh.

The only way to completely not sell out to society is to be homeless. You could live deep within federal forest lands undetected for years. The forest contains everything needed to survive. 99% of us wouldnt make it. And itd be a boring life.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

I am so sick of being looked down on because I'm not the same miserable sell-out as them.

So, this thread is a happy positive thread then?



Seriously though, for someone who thinks they're so switched on, you don't seem to be...

Want to do something productive? Go work on a farm, picking fruit or something.

Go join the peace corps and see what it is really like to struggle to live day in day out.

Be proactive.

Originally posted by Hefficide

You use the term "sell out" an awful lot. Let me give you the perspective from a 46 year old, father of two children frame of mind.

Your parents are miserable because they're tired. They've slaved their butts off to provide you with a comfortable enough life that you can not have a job right now and can be well fed and sheltered enough to ponder these types of things. They wanted nice things because, when you are a parent, you want your kids to have nice things - so you sacrifice your own wants for your kids sake.

Until you get married and hear those words "Honey, I'm pregnant", you won't be able to understand. It's a great pressure to know that you are about to be responsible for the life of another being. It's enough to make a person put the needs of others before their own sense of pride.

~Heff

I disagree

I'm 42 have 3 children and I see things more like OP than you.

FEAR makes you give up your dreams, I go in life with a far more Fight Club mentality, working hard to acquire money to buy things you don't really need is ridiculous

All these studies say that the biggest problem children have is lack of Money essentially turning fathers into cash cows useless in most ways but making cash and punishing and this has led to TERRIBLE masculine role models

The GREATEST men of our times and previous times swore oaths of poverty, I do not Think Jesus or Ghandi or Buddah would have been bad fathers

The kid is right, most men are broken of spirit, this is why we live in a world where money rules and humanity suffers

I'll take a Trailer and free time to be a father over riches any day... Only america in the modern world doesn't provide health insurance or has people who bash people for food stamps etc... (talking 1st world here)

What the heck is a child who gets only a few hrs a week with a Dad, I will answer that a girl who grows up looking for Love in all the wrong places or a boy who is weak of Character because he was never taught the real lessons from a real man in his life.

Is it worth a big house made of chicken wire stucco... 30 years salary for the house the little pig made out of straw when with a normal non abusive society you could build better in under a year with your hands?

The only money I worry about is Food and lol, i'm not actually Poor, but I made my money doing things I love on my time and convenience and yes at times I had to be real poor to do that but my kids ADORE me.

Climbing a Mountain with my oldest Boy in a week and half... screw overtime lol, cheaper sneakers won't kill you, character is better than buying into this bs

Bottom line is, what most people call responsibility is really guilt, fear and shame, tools used to make slaves and when kids realize this we break them too.

You say "You like to have Nice Things" "You want your kids to have nice things"

That says VOLUMES

About what matters to you, Nice things... Nice things are Good deeds, nice things include TIME with your children, hugs are nice Things, Playing is a Nice thing, knowing and having a solid powerful unbreakable relationship is a nice thing, Proper emotional development without emotional need is Nice thing

The rest is just garbage you buy that you can't take with you



I think this kid above... would think a relationship with his dad was a nice thing and would chuck every piece of...junk he owns out the window for that

sorry, seriously not being condescending, Americans have just lost their priorities

reply to post by seabhac-rua


Is that right? So you know it all, huh? Yes, M-O-R-A-L-S. It's weird for a lot of people to think about, but trust me, I deal with people like you all the time. I work my ass off doing work for individuals who are NOT always friendly, AND keep my house clean--a house I share with five room mates. No, I am not whining. I am looking for other people who face the same moral issues, and a way to counter it.

So, yes, God help me, I'm not gonna let society walk all over me, rubbing off the sh** it's stepped in.

You seem to be the only one whining, just because you don't agree with my views. Sorry, but get over it.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
its difficult not to sound cynical, but from what I have experienced. Every single layer of human life comes with a very close layer of #e. Doesn't matter which aspect material, philosophical,spiritual and any other areas you care to imagine. So no matter what you do your going to find it (the you know what), quiet distressing really! but there is a remedy and that can be found but you will have to look in strange places to find it. (the remedy). One thing is for sure for me, is the remedy is not in the physical world we live in, that doesn't make the physical world a "no go area". You just do your best to move in the areas that really interest you. A bit like the dragonfly, at first he was surrounded, till he changed form. Then he was able to move and see where exactly he wanted to position his awareness.But as you become adept at this, it is never the answer only a temporary remedy to balance the scales. For the real issue you must seek the deepest truth for only that truth can liberate you from the lies.

reply to post by penninja


You seem to understand it a lot, I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it. It drives us crazy

reply to post by freemarketsocialist


Thanks, and likewise friend

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


Seabhac has a point though.

Re-read the title of your thread.

Your life is apparently pathetic, and it's not your fault.

Unless you have extenuating circumstance, then yes, it is YOUR fault.

No one else is in charge of your destiny except you.

reply to post by AlphaHawk


I agree with you 100 %, but I live in the middle of the city... and I actually think about things like that all the time. I suppose the reason I can't do anything that requires me to leave my city right now is because I'm still in a court custody battle for my bro and sis, can't leave for another year or so. It's really frustrating

reply to post by penninja


Did somebody remove free will from your or anybody else's life on here?

Blaming your misfortunes on the 'system', the TPTB, the NWO, the Illuminati or society itself is just the lamest excuse for not having the life you want. And using the term 'sell out' to describe participating in society is a typical adolescent moan.

As an earlier poster said, get off your ass and do some charity work, see some real suffering, there's a big world outside your door, and there are people who's suffering would be incomprehensible to you that I can guarantee. I can also guarantee that if a person is on ATS moaning about how their life sucks they don't have it that bad at all.