Bill Nye: Creationism is not appropriate for children.

Originally posted by ibiubu


Most well known scientists (Newton, Bragg, others) believed in God and creation. What harm is there in educating children in this possibility? None, in my book.

Because if god is the answer, then it's the final answer. No reason to look any further. It stops all research.

We don't need to know about atoms and DNA because creationism gives us the final answer.

How did life get its start? God.
How was the universe created? God.
Where did morality come from? God.
How does the earth orbit the sun? God.
Who will free us from tyranny, save us from plagues, from injustice? God, God, God.

Problem: This answer solves nothing, serves no one, and protects no one. It shuts down human curiosity. Plus, it's simply the wrong answer.

reply to post by jiggerj


I stated to present this as a possibility, NOT the answer. Any scientist of merit keeps an open mind to all possibilities. Children have that ability to distinguish between ideas and truths.

Originally posted by ibiubu
reply to post by rhinoceros

 

So the references are wrong, and you believe that a theory is more proven than a law?????

You need more comprehension to have discourse on any scientific topic. Best of luck to you.

I stated the true mechanism of how novel genes come about, and thus debunked the silly claim that creationist website was trying to make. It's that simple. Take off your God goggles and see the world for what it really is. Good luck!

p.s. Look here for more details concerning gene and genome duplications

It's a long read from Molecular Biology of the Cell and no doubt difficult to comprehend unless you're a biologist, however, if you honestly care about the truth of where you come from, you'll read it thru. Below is the summary (in bold the piece of information the creationist site you linked omitted from their calculations):

Comparisons of the nucleotide sequences of present-day genomes have revolutionized our understanding of gene and genome evolution. Due to the extremely high fidelity of DNA replication and DNA repair processes, random errors in maintaining the nucleotide sequences in genomes occur so rarely that only about 5 nucleotides in 1000 are altered every million years. Not surprisingly, therefore, a comparison of human and chimpanzee chromosomes—which are separated by about 5 million years of evolution—reveals very few changes. Not only are our genes essentially the same, but their order on each chromosome is almost identical. In addition, the positions of the transposable elements that make up a major portion of our noncoding DNA are mostly unchanged.

When one compares the genomes of two more distantly related organisms—such as a human and a mouse, separated by about 100 million years—one finds many more changes. Now the effects of natural selection can be clearly seen: through purifying selection, essential nucleotide sequences—both in regulatory regions and coding sequences (exon sequences)—have been highly conserved. In contrast, nonessential sequences (for example, intron sequences) have been altered to such an extent that an accurate alignment according to ancestry is often not possible.

Because of purifying selection, homologous genes can be recognized over large phylogenetic distances, and it is often possible to construct a detailed evolutionary history of a particular gene, tracing its history back to common ancestors of present-day species. We can thereby see that a great deal of the genetic complexity of present-day organisms is due to the expansion of ancient gene families. DNA duplication followed by sequence divergence has thus been a major source of genetic novelty during evolution.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The "process" of Science has been completely hijacked by LIARS (aka NWO) with a big gun.

Science HAS been subverted by a group with a massive satanic agenda whether you choose to believe it or NOT...

From the latest Protocols of the Elders of Scientists? I'm a scientist but have not received invites to satanic NWO gatherings thus far. What gives? Science is evil because it contradicts fundamentalist beliefs? Is it all science or just biology, climate science, and whatever else the republican party disagrees with? Medicine is okay as long as abortion is not allowed? How about geology? Mathematics? Statistics? Chemistry? Botany? Philosophy? All satanic lies?

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The "process" of Science has been completely hijacked by LIARS (aka NWO) with a big gun.

Science HAS been subverted by a group with a massive satanic agenda whether you choose to believe it or NOT...

Yeah.....

Best avatar ever.

reply to post by Murgatroid

Ditto on what you said. Heavens to murgatroid, that beta is onto something.

Humans are nothing but animals, so says science.
Mao Stalin and Pol Pot all agree, the planets overpopulated. Lets kill of these animals and achieve a good balance for nature. You first

Christianity teaches that all humanity is valuable and life is worth protecting, God is returning in these last days to call His home.
Believing in God encourages growth and understanding. What it negates is selfishness, Christianity encourages community and love and service to others.
It encourages relationship and attacks greed and individualism.

This message by Bill the dill leads to death, evolution is a death religion. Evolution is a belief just like all religions.
I like the way he preached without using evidence.

This is a crap nasty hate-full world, this bloke is a fool to not see that simple fact.
This world is built on Greed and Selfishness, it cant continue with out God
Lose religion and we all do become animals, most already are.

Bravo Bill!!!

Finally someone has some balls to stand up against what is morally wrong.
Im glad to see that it has come from the biggest influence from my childhood. The guy that made me be what I am today.

Shame on anyone who tries to brainwash their children with rediculous ideas.

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by yadda333
Then you would agree that science and scientific reasoning is valid. Is this true?

Science is a LIE...

Has Science become a Religion?

With respect to its great contributions to society, I think it is important to make a case that science is really affecting society more like a religion now than a field of study or a resource base of useful information. Many everyday people do not understand it at all and accept ALL its teachings on faith.

Unfortunately some scientists and academic professionals are not so noble and have perpetrated deliberate frauds and cover-ups of important discoveries.

Modern Scientific beliefs are based upon a leap of faith in the big bang theory. It has become a belief system based on faith and therefore another form of religion. Scientists, like priests can explain their beliefs but the everyday people accept it all on faith. Scientists and doctors are the priests of this new religion, getting angry and crying "heresy" when anyone respectfully disagrees with them.

Has Science become a Religion

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

I would add this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Religion of Science is so pervasive that people do not even realize it's a religion. Like every dominant belief system that's held the title before it.

How about a school system that teaches discernment of Truth rather than beliefs that cannot be experienced as anything but a memory. memorizing beliefs is not learning... unless you attend the academic facilities of the religion of science.

SCIENCE should never be confused with the "Religion of Science". Science is useful because it is a system of discernment rather than one of belief. And priests of the Religion of Science pervert this truth the same way the reality of Jesus or Buddha has been perverted by their respective religions.

I agree. Luckily when I was a child I was also told to question things that didn't make sense.
Christianity made NO SENSE. I had come to the conclusion it was an adult lie by the time I was 12.
It wasn't true then, and it will never be true.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by thesearchfortruth

 

There IS NO LAW of evolution. I don't care how many of your professors try to tell you that a theory has the force of a law - they aren't lawyers, are they?

The court actually brings in scientists to describe things suchs as laws and theories as they pertain to science. A theory as in an actual scientific theory is often one that follows all the rules and variables currently laid out by that current area. IE ... the theory of evolution has gaps but it follows the majority of what we know and can make new predictions on what we know.

Just like the say the theory of relativity is good at predicting most outcomes in its area, but it's still a theory because the mathematical model doesn't solve every eventuality. The orbit of our planets is still a theory also, as a very good example of how difficult it is to make a 'law' as you might say.

Well guess what.. perception is not reality.

Science actually agrees with you there. Thousands upon thousands of words have been written about the inaccuracy of our perceptions. This 'observation' isn't unique to philosophy or religious thought.

Also, he makes a statement about science being the truth. Well, that's fine, as long as you admit that science is just another faith. You have faith in what you observed. How ironic because there is a principle that states the observer changes the observed. As well, a million different self-proclaimed physicists are trying to unlock or claim to have found a "god-particle" and trying to discern "string theory" and trying to find "multiple dimensions" and "multiple universes" and all these things that toy around with the idea of probability..

You're taking the very edge of scientific discovery and using it as a marker for the rest of science. String theory barely works and comes under intense scrutiny from scientists who point out is a bit insane. The most advanced physics is all theoretical and often difficult to test but that's what makes it so exciting. The media is more interested in these things because they're crazy.

If you're saying 'everything is faith' then you're treading a thin line that many philosophy students step out on. It's a hop skip and a jump from there to saying we live in the Matrix and we can't access reality, therefore everything is debatable. Accepting that fact for a moment, that we can never directly access reality and therefore science is another faith ... drop a house brick on your hand from five feet high and tell me you don't feel pain and the faith in our model of gravity is misfounded?

I realise you're not going that far, but you're also trying to present science as no different from religion and philosophy. It is very different even though it shares common origins. Science is a direct response and evolution from the flaws of philosophical thinking. It only concerns itself with what can be tested ergo even if it is faith it is tested faith when done correctly. A far cry from 'religious' faith which is faith which delibrately rejects testing and even discourages practitioners from doing so. (Doubting Thomas etc ... )

What would you tell my kids EXACTLY happened and without any doubt?

'We're not 100% sure, it is a scientific theory that ... but there are gaps ... we haven't worked everything out ... Some people also believe there is supernatural reasons for our existence but there is zero evidence in scientific observation for that. It is merely untested faith which I happen to agree with.'

^ I imagine something like that might work. In saying all this though, I've read your posts before and you're easily one of the most intelligent religious persons on this web board.

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican
Bravo Bill!!!

Finally someone has some balls to stand up against what is morally wrong.
Im glad to see that it has come from the biggest influence from my childhood. The guy that made me be what I am today.

Shame on anyone who tries to brainwash their children with rediculous ideas.

Morally wrong?
Surely you jest, what platform do you ascribe your morale's to CA. Animalism?
An atheist with morale's? What next, the atheist 10 commandments??? Shudders.

What is rediculous is a religious fool dictating how others should live based on a religious faith in science.
This Nye guy is a space cadet, no idea his own hypocrisy. Beginnings of another atheist dictator.
Smitten with visions of grandeur, hopeless and hypocritical

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The "process" of Science has been completely hijacked by LIARS (aka NWO) with a big gun.

Science HAS been subverted by a group with a massive satanic agenda whether you choose to believe it or NOT...

From the latest Protocols of the Elders of Scientists? I'm a scientist but have not received invites to satanic NWO gatherings thus far. What gives? Science is evil because it contradicts fundamentalist beliefs? Is it all science or just biology, climate science, and whatever else the republican party disagrees with? Medicine is okay as long as abortion is not allowed? How about geology? Mathematics? Statistics? Chemistry? Botany? Philosophy? All satanic lies?

Oh haven't you heard since it is a lie.

2+2 = 7

Sorry but its the truth lol.

Christians you can't use math anymore its a lie were sorry. But its just too evil for you.

Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican
Bravo Bill!!!

Finally someone has some balls to stand up against what is morally wrong.
Im glad to see that it has come from the biggest influence from my childhood. The guy that made me be what I am today.

Shame on anyone who tries to brainwash their children with rediculous ideas.

Morally wrong?
Surely you jest, what platform do you ascribe your morale's to CA. Animalism?
An atheist with morale's? What next, the atheist 10 commandments??? Shudders.

What is rediculous is a religious fool dictating how others should live based on a religious faith in science.
This Nye guy is a space cadet, no idea his own hypocrisy. Beginnings of another atheist dictator.
Smitten with visions of grandeur, hopeless and hypocritical

Well humans are animals. Homo erectus as a matter of fact we are a mammal. Fact.

Nothing more to say to you so please don't write back because I wont take you seriously.

Hmm religious fools? Didn't you just talk about yourself? This is amazingly funny.

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The "process" of Science has been completely hijacked by LIARS (aka NWO) with a big gun.

Science HAS been subverted by a group with a massive satanic agenda whether you choose to believe it or NOT...

From the latest Protocols of the Elders of Scientists? I'm a scientist but have not received invites to satanic NWO gatherings thus far. What gives? Science is evil because it contradicts fundamentalist beliefs? Is it all science or just biology, climate science, and whatever else the republican party disagrees with? Medicine is okay as long as abortion is not allowed? How about geology? Mathematics? Statistics? Chemistry? Botany? Philosophy? All satanic lies?

Oh haven't you heard since it is a lie.

2+2 = 7

Sorry but its the truth lol.

Christians you can't use math anymore its a lie were sorry. But its just too evil for you.

Repeatable testable and observable, I accept that, not on faith. Thats maths, it is Repeatable Testable and Observable
You dont own science, science is Repeatable Testable and Observable, what the foolish man teaches is not repeatable testable or observable, making Nye a religious preacher.

Science is not something anyone can own, only a dullard would take a position of ownership and deny others what they have not really got.
Science is what we see, explains how we see things happen. Its not a religion you cling to. It has become a religion some cling to but it is not.
Science has been hijacked by a pseudo religious cult craving to satisfy their beliefs in something greater than themselves.

Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The "process" of Science has been completely hijacked by LIARS (aka NWO) with a big gun.

Science HAS been subverted by a group with a massive satanic agenda whether you choose to believe it or NOT...

From the latest Protocols of the Elders of Scientists? I'm a scientist but have not received invites to satanic NWO gatherings thus far. What gives? Science is evil because it contradicts fundamentalist beliefs? Is it all science or just biology, climate science, and whatever else the republican party disagrees with? Medicine is okay as long as abortion is not allowed? How about geology? Mathematics? Statistics? Chemistry? Botany? Philosophy? All satanic lies?

Oh haven't you heard since it is a lie.

2+2 = 7

Sorry but its the truth lol.

Christians you can't use math anymore its a lie were sorry. But its just too evil for you.

Repeatable testable and observable, I accept that, not on faith. Thats maths, it is Repeatable Testable and Observable
You dont own science, science is Repeatable Testable and Observable, what the foolish man teaches is not repeatable testable or observable, making Nye a religious preacher.

Science is not something anyone can own, only a dullard would take a position of ownership and deny others what they have not really got.
Science is what we see, explains how we see things happen. Its not a religion you cling to. It has become a religion some cling to but it is not.
Science has been hijacked by a pseudo religious cult craving to satisfy their beliefs in something greater than themselves.

Hahaha well I didn't read what you said I got bored after line one.
What you say sure describes christianity.

And again I will tell you again so you can understand.

I WILL NEVER TAKE ANYTHING A CHRISTIAN SAYS SERIOUSLY.
U want me to ask god to tell you personally? Oh wait...

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican

Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican
Bravo Bill!!!

Finally someone has some balls to stand up against what is morally wrong.
Im glad to see that it has come from the biggest influence from my childhood. The guy that made me be what I am today.

Shame on anyone who tries to brainwash their children with rediculous ideas.

Morally wrong?
Surely you jest, what platform do you ascribe your morale's to CA. Animalism?
An atheist with morale's? What next, the atheist 10 commandments??? Shudders.

What is rediculous is a religious fool dictating how others should live based on a religious faith in science.
This Nye guy is a space cadet, no idea his own hypocrisy. Beginnings of another atheist dictator.
Smitten with visions of grandeur, hopeless and hypocritical

Well humans are animals. Homo erectus as a matter of fact we are a mammal. Fact.

Nothing more to say to you so please don't write back because I wont take you seriously.

Hmm religious fools? Didn't you just talk about yourself? This is amazingly funny.

edit on 27-8-2012 by TheCaucasianAmerican because: (no reason given)

Homo erectus is a name, a word made up by some man. It represents everything to you, because you need that. It represents something different to me, something insignificant.
You choose, so do I.
Humans are animals? No different? Just like Mao Pol Pot and Hitler and Stalin. They all believed the same

I have a different opinion, all humans are special, they can talk, love care have compassion and countless more traits that separate them from animals.
We differ, I can live with that. The problem is you cant.
This is not my life, this is me living for Jesus. My life starts after I am called home to the new kingdom of God.
This is all you have, this is your straw in a rough sea...science.

I can deal with everything through Christ, you scratch and fight and scream, maybe some are animals?

reply to post by borntowatch


Well I leave you to your beliefs. But you ruined this thread for me.
Goodbye brain washed servant of nothing.

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican

Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The "process" of Science has been completely hijacked by LIARS (aka NWO) with a big gun.

Science HAS been subverted by a group with a massive satanic agenda whether you choose to believe it or NOT...

From the latest Protocols of the Elders of Scientists? I'm a scientist but have not received invites to satanic NWO gatherings thus far. What gives? Science is evil because it contradicts fundamentalist beliefs? Is it all science or just biology, climate science, and whatever else the republican party disagrees with? Medicine is okay as long as abortion is not allowed? How about geology? Mathematics? Statistics? Chemistry? Botany? Philosophy? All satanic lies?

Oh haven't you heard since it is a lie.

2+2 = 7

Sorry but its the truth lol.

Christians you can't use math anymore its a lie were sorry. But its just too evil for you.

Repeatable testable and observable, I accept that, not on faith. Thats maths, it is Repeatable Testable and Observable
You dont own science, science is Repeatable Testable and Observable, what the foolish man teaches is not repeatable testable or observable, making Nye a religious preacher.

Science is not something anyone can own, only a dullard would take a position of ownership and deny others what they have not really got.
Science is what we see, explains how we see things happen. Its not a religion you cling to. It has become a religion some cling to but it is not.
Science has been hijacked by a pseudo religious cult craving to satisfy their beliefs in something greater than themselves.

Hahaha well I didn't read what you said I got bored after line one.
What you say sure describes christianity.

And again I will tell you again so you can understand.

I WILL NEVER TAKE ANYTHING A CHRISTIAN SAYS SERIOUSLY.
U want me to ask god to tell you personally? Oh wait...

Yet you replied.
I am not interested in speaking directly to you, I am refuting this silly Nye man
My words are read by many more than you.

Please ignore me

Does any other christian have any evidence of god without relating to faith, god, or the bible? OR jesus.

Because they are all human creation. No proof in any of them.