It is Possible The Cali Swarm is Volcanic Activity from the Salton Buttes Volcanic Field, page 3

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 04:38 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Originally posted by steve95988
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I like how you guys keep referring to "pros" Seriously, who is a pro? someone who has a degree from a college? Does having that make a person a know-it-all and is 100% correct? I think NOT... No one really knows whats going on in science or the world and these earthquake swarms... No one

Steve, I get what you're saying and hopefully everyone does; it's true -- no-one knows exactly what is going on in terms of all the possible causative links and interactions. But in the world of seismology and related fields of study, while even the best in the business are not going to get things right all the time, they at least have a fair understanding of what's more likely and what isn't -- based upon historical data, published studies and ongoing research.

By way of analogy, let's consider an automobile with a technical problem. If it exhibits "symptoms" that are very common and well-recognized (like a flat tire, for example), it can be so easy to "diagnose" that we don't even need to ask a mechanic what's wrong. (Well, I hope!

) But where the "symptoms" are more complex a professional (mechanic's) opinion is probably a good idea. And then there are cases where the local mechanic will need to check with a specialist because the problem is rare or one they've never even seen before.

True, it's not a perfect analogy but you know what I mean. It's just about levels of knowledge. When we're talking of quakes, the top people in the field will readily admit that there is an awful lot they don't know. But what they do know can be helpful and that's why we look to them for their opinions.

Regards,

Mike

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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DAZ21

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 06:22 AM

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I don't know much about volcanoes, but after searching about these particular ones at Salton Buttes, I found a study that shows these volcanoes might be part of a larger hidden volcano, similar in size possibly to the Coso volcano.

I'm not sure how big the Coso volcano is and how big the eruptions were. but if there is to be an eruption, it could possibly be worse than expected.

The study. www.gps.caltech.edu...

46ACE

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 11:16 AM

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Just throwing my.02 in: Thank you for the well written/convincing o.p. and geological education. I learned alot from that short post. I had about written this entire forum off as an ongoing brutal political cage match .
Then today I read yours and the virtual machine IT post. Nobody blamed the earthquakes or all computer viruses on conservatives. Perhaps there's "hope for civility " here yet.
Kudos and thankyou.

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TrueAmerican

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 01:06 PM

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Hmm, well the SCSN posted some interesting info on this swarm, complete with a map:
www.scsn.org...

Expected future development of this activity: In the past these types of swarms have continued for many days. Previously, events of up to M6.2 have occurred on northeast striking cross faults, but bigger events are possible on the major northwest striking late Quaternary faults in this vicinity.

So looks like what other articles said about a 5.8 max may not necessarily be true. There could be bigger tectonic events in the area.

In regards to the post that questions the "pro's"- they know a heck of a lot more than you do. While they can't know everything, they can at least compare focal mechanisms to other known events that manifested in certain ways, to be able to give us a more informed opinion of things. I think it's pretty foolish really just to wanton dismiss everything they know, in favor of total suspicion and thinking you might have a better idea.

I posted this thread as a mere possibility. I said early on I was waiting on more opinions, and on more information to surface. I didn't post it with my mind made up, I just posted possible arguments that might apply. If those arguments are further trumped by other information, then all I can do is go with what looks like the more appropriate explanation.

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Alternative4u

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 01:28 PM

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I have just put my PC on and my Earth Quake monitor software from the USGS, I am still shocked about the number of Quakes within the last 24 hours, it is crazy, it has got to be some odd thing that is pulling Planet Earth about from out there in space, are the leaders of the world dead sure that this planet X thing is a joke, or is there really some odd thing going on we are in the dark about?

TrueAmerican

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:41 PM

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ok now wait a minute....woah, woah, woah....

I didn't say anything after the first one, but now I have received a second, what appears to be a low level LP at station GLA. Confirmed on at least two other stations...with first arrivals at GLA. These aren't real powerful, they are low level. But still, I suppose it could just be slower tectonic movements...as opposed to any volcanic activity. But they have my curiosity up for sure.

This thread, and its suggestion that this could be related to volcanic activity at Salton is not entirely dead yet. No siree. Not after seeing both of those, clear, and up close and personal. I am trying through professional contacts to get in even closer. There are many stations at Salton that are not public, and that is just making me mad.

Doodle19815

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I have received a second, what appears to be a low level LP at station GLA.

Um, excuse me teach, *raises hand shyly*

What is LP and why is it important? I know, I know, but I am still learning here at ATS University.

Olivine

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:55 PM

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I'm not sure if this will be helpful for you TA, but there is one volunteer Netquakes station in Brawley-- Q0044.CI.HNZ( or N or E)

Here is a link to the triggered activity at that station.

Or you can find the above page by going to USGS Monitoring-->Volunteer Monitoring-Netquakes-->View Data-->then zoom into Brawley and click the blue circle.

TrueAmerican

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 03:05 PM

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Thanks Oli, I know about all the Q stations, and guess what- they are not carried by IRIS. So real time data is hard to come by, shall we say...And there is more that I'd rather not go into.

But I suppose I should point out that those scales are dynamic. They can hide lower level events if at the time the scale is stretched by bigger events. Therefore you might not even see what I am talking about. It's just one more thing to keep in mind in the sea of great complexity that is seismic monitoring.

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MamaJ

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 03:24 PM

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I just want to say again, thanks for keeping an eye on this situation and I'm glad we can come to this site and have real time info. As it happens.

Keeping us informed is much appreciated!

TrueAmerican

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 03:40 PM

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Well I said first arrivals at GLA, but in actuality, first arrivals could have been much closer to the volcanic field, but because I can't see stations at the moment any closer than about 33km, all I can do is report on what I can see. So there is that problem too- which is a problem for me- but not a problem for those with access to the closer stations. Another thing to keep in mind... Grrr... I just wish I could get closer, but so far no luck...and I am trying.

TrueAmerican

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 06:20 PM

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Just now received an even longer low level LP at GLA, confirmed on five other stations... We need more answers, folks. Cause that damn sure didn't look tectonic to me, but I suppose it could be a teleseism from somewhere else...

:shk:

I don't know WHAT to think at this moment, I swear.

EDIT: I think that one was the 5.0 that just hit in the Gulf of Cali

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Olivine

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 06:34 PM

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It's showing in Tuscon, AZ, Colorado, Oregon, definitely teleseism. But where?
BTW I had the highest amplitude showing in Arizona...400 mic/sec

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Magnitude
mb 5.1
Region
GULF OF CALIFORNIA
Date time
2012-08-27 23:16:04.0 UTC
Location
30.68 N ; 113.82 W
Depth
30 km

Distances

358 km SW Phoenix (pop 1,428,509 ; local time 16:16:04.3 2012-08-27)
218 km SE San luis río colorado (pop 139,254 ; local time 16:16:04.3 2012-08-27)
76 km S Puerto peñasco (pop 33,875 ; local time 16:16:04.3 2012-08-27)

Source parameters not yet reviewed by a seismologist

Source EMSC

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Lil Drummerboy

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 06:40 PM

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Someone with an unknown technology to earthlings is spot reducing pressures on the plates so a major break or slip doesnt occur.. Hows that or an explanation

sageturkey

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 07:04 PM

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I mentioned in the QW thread that I expected to see some accompanying activity if the Gulf of California, that's 2 5+ EQ's in the Gulf so far with the swarm. I didn't have any real scientific basis for the expectation except that if the swarm were tectonic, it just seemed like we should be seeing some activity in that area as well. May be just a coincidence, I don't know enough about the process to say for sure. Still watchin!

StarryNights

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 07:11 PM

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Dont know if this has been posted but the area down there is on alert for more quakes and maybe bigger......temecula.patch.com...

sageturkey

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 07:56 PM

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Personally, I think - Just by looking at the satellite view, that the Gulf used to extend up into the area of the Salton Sea. According to The University Of California at Long Beach:

The Salton Trough is a deep sedimentary basin filled primarily with Colorado River sediments formed by the extensional forces associated with an underlying tectonic plate boundary. The spreading-type plate boundary of the East Pacific Rise terminates at the southern end of the Salton Sea where the plate boundary transitions into the transform-type San Andreas Fault plate boundary. High heat flow and recent volcanic activity at the southern end of the Salton Sea indicate that this region is not only modernly active but reveal the location of the northernmost spreading center of the East Pacific Rise.

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The source goes on to say that:

The Salton Trough has been filled, for the most part, by sediments carried by the Colorado River. These sediments are more than four miles thick in some places. The great pile of sediments carried by the Colorado River eventually built a barricade to the river's flow and the Colorado River was diverted away from the Salton Trough. The Salton Sea is a mistake. At the beginning of the 20th Century, engineers tried controlling the Colorado River flow but a couple of rainy years caused the river to break its levees and flow again into the Salton Trough.

I also speculate that the volcanic activity had something to do with the separation of the Salton Sea and The Gulf of California and that the area is spreading and someday the Gulf will reclaim it's territory.
Edit: Unless, the spreading causes more volcanic activity and it fills it in even more.
Am I totally whacked???

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TrueAmerican

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 08:40 PM

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lol, totally whacked? I thought I was the only one with that title around here!

But I do have some other info- turns out the USGS is using station GLA as first arrivals, when in fact there is also station TA.214A, which is closer to the new swarm developing in the Gulf of Cali. I have emailed some contacts on this, but so far no answer. These quakes from the Gulf of Cali have probably been fooling me this whole time into thinking there are LP's near Salton.

The big problem is I can't seem to find a working station directly south of the Salton area, and further south than GLA, SWS, or 214A, to intercept arrivals before they reach Salton. The P&S waves are getting distorted enough from the Gulf of Cali quakes to where it is difficult to make the distinction, and thus I think I have been fooled.

darnit. But hey, at least I am making progress in figuring this out.

sageturkey

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 08:57 PM

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I'll take that as a yes?

I was discussing this yesterday with someone and they told me that no, the Salton Sea was filled by the Colorado River. I replied "If so, then where did all the Salt come from?" They said "The Colorado River" which made absolutely no sense to me. They went on to say that "If the Salton Sea is where the Colorado River emptied into the Gulf, then why is the area between the two such a fertile agricultural area and not just a big salt flat?" Because of the fertile soil produced by the volcanic activity.
Anyhew...
Keep up the good work and keep us posted! I think that the reason it's so confusing is that we're actually seeing both forces at work here, one caused by the other. So my answer to the burning question of Volcanic or Tectonic would be... Yes!

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Observationalist

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:10 PM

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Saw this article back in March, talking about the gulf of cal potential to rush up into the Salton Sea area.

Baja Gash
The curious thing is that these quakes, and the fault zone region are at very low altitude, nearly sea level (and below). In fact, it seems as though a significant tear in the earth in this region could conceivably cause sea water from the Gulf of California to rush inland, possibly all the way up into California, the Salton Sea. That would be an extreme event, for sure, but it’s curious to note the possibility.