North Korea has capability to undertake 3rd nuclear test, but wants peace treaty with US as price fo

reply to post by AvrilDupre


They have China. Also very prosperous country.

Why do they need US?

Originally posted by AvrilDupre
Hey, instead of giving peace a chance and earning global karma, let's continue to brand them the axis of evil, and deny their people food and medicines...or as you call it "Western Handouts."

So..

I'm all for helping them but are we responsible for their mess when they decide to spend their nations wealth on weapons instead of feeding their own people? Then threatening their neighbors with blackmail if they don't get what they want?

I mean they aren't people because they are over there right?

They are people being held hostage by their own Government more so than you or I

Grow up.

Get real

Come on now. They spend plenty of money on their own infrastructure...



When the lights... go down.. in the city...

Edit: Steve Perry pronounces it "Citay"

The US has made several deals with NK in the past. NK promises not to do something, the US agrees to send aid, then NK does it anyway, the US cancels the aid and the cycle repeats itself.

This 'offer' is a direct result of the last round of failed negotiations. Don't get your hopes up.

reply to post by BacknTime


When it comes to Third World or rather non western world, the local culture does not matter. What matters is the man or regime at the helm. Local people are helpless and if given a chance they will be the first one's fire a shot against the regime.

The people that I am afraid of having nukes are of the Islamic world. Do not want countries like Iran, Egypt or Turkey to have nukes. Pakistan has already blackmailed the world with their nukes and is still doing so.

It almost feels like a kid saying: "If you don't give me what I want, I'll hold my breath!"

Which being a parent I used to just shrug at them. Go ahead, you'll pass out and your involuntary reflex of breathing will kick in.

Basically I'm of the opinion that: if they REALLY wanted a REAL peace treaty with us, they wouldn't be using a threat to try and get one.

reply to post by AvrilDupre


the only empire in the world denying North Koreans food is North Korean Dictatorship

The simple fact he was raised in Western Culture, Switzerland, I think will have an effect on him........
I believe things will change under him.

Remember a few months ago, there was a mass shooting of soldiers when one of the commanders was fired (or something). There was a reason for that. Probably trying to start a coup.

They want it because of widespread famine in NK. US puts a trade embargo on NK so how are they supposed to get food for their people? also spending too much of GDP on military.

My guess is that the leaders are still answerable to people higher up than them. Like someone who controls all of asia. Cousel of 13 or some kind of higher power. So even if they had a nuke they couldn't use it. Generals in control of that sort of thing would have to confirm with the higher power or be told by them if and when to launch anything. I don't think it's a rouge nation at all. There's no such thing in this day and age. Every leader is appointed and or ordained and is backed by the powers that controls the contenant. Basically the illuminati or elite ruling class that are way above country presidents, and dicators.

North Korea has a good history of empty promises, threats, rants and false dawns, not to mention overt aggression against their southern neighbour. We should respect the South Korean’s for their restraint in dealing with such an obnoxious neighbour.

Anything that farts out from the twisted leadership must be treated with caution.

If North Korea wants to be taken seriously then they must start by showing intent and that includes by treating its people with a bit more respect and dignity. It is a perversity that the arch enemy of North Korea (i.e. the West and particularly the US) actually feeds North Korea to prevent the ever threatening famine caused by the policies of the nutcases who run the show. If the West was feeling heartless they could just lt North Korea wither and die, but that may just uncork the nuclear bottle and the North play to this fear with glee.

www.hrw.org...
www.amnesty.org...

To those apologists who perhaps think NK is "misunderstood" or that what they read is “propaganda” and distortion pushed by the Western / US agenda etc., should follow the below link as this will help reinforce their worldview and that North Korea is “the victim of US Imperialism and aggression”, blah, blah. Get a one way ticket if you are so sure!

www.korea-dpr.com...

Regards

reply to post by BacknTime

Maybe North Koreans arent as BAD as we think.

The North Koreans aren't necessarily all that bad. Their government, however, is a different story.

Sure they have a weird culture but who doesnt.

It's not a culture so much as it is a totalitarian regime that controls 100% of public media and business.

Who actually has lived in North Korea on here and has experience about living in North Korea? Nobody.

www.vice.com...

I've been to the border. I've had an extended stay in South Korea. This guy gets props for the creative way he got into North Korea and for having the balls to bring a camera.

All the information we get is from what the media. Which we clearly know that the media exagerates and lies a lot and thats something you cant deny

ATS is a form of media.

My cell phone camera is a form of media.

The link I just posted to is a form of media.

There are a lot of things you never hear about on most forms of media - popular or not. Heroes are vilified by society because the whole story never gets told. Saints are made from treachery because the whole story gets lost or isn't told.

I'll give you an example, quoting one of the ship's company from DDG 78: "If the captain wouldn't have done what he did... our ship would be in two halves at the bottom of the ocean."

There are a number of reasons why you'll never hear the full or true course of events in the media surrounding that incident. In a round-about way... it makes sense why the full story will never get told once you get a pretty good idea of what actually happened. Of course... telling people something so that they can understand why everyone shouldn't know it is a little counter productive. And frustrating.

Regarding the Korean Peninsula - there are a lot of things that happen there; good, bad, and ugly that you never hear about. Things that would make you say "they aren't so bad..." and things that would make you think them vile.

Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by BacknTime

 

When it comes to Third World or rather non western world, the local culture does not matter. What matters is the man or regime at the helm. Local people are helpless and if given a chance they will be the first one's fire a shot against the regime.

The people that I am afraid of having nukes are of the Islamic world. Do not want countries like Iran, Egypt or Turkey to have nukes. Pakistan has already blackmailed the world with their nukes and is still doing so.

Disarm then and stop the nuke race. That might help. Tell them Zionist pigs to stop their illegal nuclear program in the Middle East. That might help. Whats good for one is good for all...

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
Hey man. Do not ever dis the man who shot 11 holes-in-one in one single round of golf.

I agree that all I know about North Korea is what I hear through the media, but if that is true on his first try at golf, then forgive me for jumping to conclusions that this man is some type of cheat.

I just don't know if we can trust the man...

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
Hey man. Do not ever dis the man who shot 11 holes-in-one in one single round of golf.

I agree that all I know about North Korea is what I hear through the media, but if that is true on his first try at golf, then forgive me for jumping to conclusions that this man is some type of cheat.

I just don't know if we can trust the man...

Each hole must be just the putting green or something. Maybe he did it and wasn't lying

Really a peace treaty? Seems like they want more freebies from the Americans...

What kind of compromise is that? "Oh we won't detonate our nuke if you sign a peace treaty with us?" Hell of a negotiation that is...

-SAP-

George Bush jr laughed at the South Korea leader when he suggested a peace treaty.

The free money from south korea to "protect them" would make many say no.

Plus we justify much of our pacific military presence over these treaties to protect other countries. Ain't no money in peace.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Explanation: Uhmmm?

I'm all for helping them but are we responsible for their mess when they decide to spend their nations wealth on weapons instead of feeding their own people? Then threatening their neighbors with blackmail if they don't get what they want?

So just like this I suppose ...

Black Ships [wiki]

Gunboat Diplomacy

Commodore Perry's superior military force was a factor in negotiating a treaty allowing American trade with Japan, thus effectively ending the Sakoku (鎖国?) period of more than 200 years in which trading with Japan had been permitted to the Dutch and Chinese exclusively.

Personal Disclosure: What goes around, comes around! Enjoy the hipocracy ok!

Just like the other tests.

Few things I learned as a Korean Linguist:

We are still at war with Korea. There was an armistice in 1953.

North Korea withdrew a couple years ago, so technically we are at war with them.

So this peace treaty makes more sense than most of you imagine.

P.S. there have been a LOT of deaths, since 1953. People die all the time in Korea from this ongoing war.