scientists bringing back unknown plague

hello all,
i need your help. a long time ago i was watching one of the history/discovery channel documentaries regarding plagues. in one of the episodes, scientists discovered a burial of many people. the bodies were stacked on eachother and walled up. they apparently died from a plague but not bubonic. the show went on to mention that the scientists did not recognize the strain of plague and were going to revive it in the lab. from the show, they mentioned there were two plagues. one was the bubonic plague the second was never determined. it came, it killed, it disappeared.

i tried googling this but i keep getting black death links.

has anyone heard of this before? if so, can you post a link if you can? it's been bothering me for months now. i wanted to follow up on what they discovered.



anyone got any ideas?

-subfab

reply to post by subfab


Sounds like the black death. There could be many more plagues that hit areas that aren't recorded in history also. These bacteria and other microbes can sit in soils in their little balls inactive for a million years if conditions are right.

Spanish Flu maybe?

The 1918 pandemic killed more people than died on both sides of the Great War.

reply to post by mithrawept


You're right. It was the Spanish flu. They dug up some graves someplace cold. Canada? Alaska? I can't remember.

I want to say they researched it then weaponized it. Crossed it with smallpox.

I watched a TV show called The Event in which a race of extraterrestrials "revived" the Spanish Flu from frozen bodies containing the virus in order to kill of all humans on Earth in order to bring their people here.

It was a freakin' fantastic TV show and I greatly enjoyed it, just thought I would share.

reply to post by subfab


I remember seeing it (on History 2 I believe) but don't remember the specifics. However I do remember thinking that they were total idiots for wanting to "bring the virus back to life" even in a controlled laboratory setting.

The unknown virus apparently killed the people very quickly, even faster than the Bubonic Plague (Black Death). I'm going to take a wild guess here and say possibly the Red Death. I don't remember the scientific name for it but if I recall correctly it basically produced the same symptoms as what we now call the Ebola virus. It killed very quickly and disappeared just as fast.But like I said it's only a guess.

Good luck finding more info! I hope someone finds a link to post soon.

reply to post by RomeByFire

Yeah, they fracking cancelled it. I was looking forward to that and "Rubicon".

www.cnn.com...
this was the top trending search on Yahoo of the moment. AIDS like virus.
thought maybe id post it incase it helped?

reply to post by novemberecho

Sounds like something straight out of the lab to fight China.

reply to post by subfab


You could try English sweats
Or
Plague of Athens
Antonine plague

1918 H1N1 or The Spanish Flu might come from the correct family as this older illness - but that is speculation. There are many pathogens that fit the bill, such as EVD, bubonic plague, Pneumonic Plague, hantavirus, variants of rotovirus, Legionellosis, Streptococcus, or any number of other suspects. All are capable of mutating into very dangerous and deadly strains. Even the common cold can be deadly with the right mutation.

The idea of bringing back a prior plague is problematic in the sense that a large portion of the worlds population, today, would likely be descended from folks who survived this initial plague and would, theoretically possess some form of immunity.

In short, old plagues don't scare me as much as modern mutations do. Those? Nobody would have natural immunity for. Those are the world killers.

~Heff

Don't worry, the mad scientists of the world will screw up and set something free somehow and create new and unfightable diseases to kill off mankind. We figure out how to make good medicines but then we create new things we cannot fight. I guess Humans are kinda dumb animals.

Originally posted by subfab
hello all,


has anyone heard of this before? if so, can you post a link if you can? it's been bothering me for months now. i wanted to follow up on what they discovered.



anyone got any ideas?

-subfab

may be this
Spanish flu at Brevig Mission, on Alaska's Seward Peninsula

Pathologist Johan Hultin. Hultin, 81, twice retrieved samples of the virus from the lungs of flu victims preserved by permafrost in an Alaska village. Molecular pathologists used the latter of those samples to reconstruct the virus and discover that it jumped from birds to humans, which led to concerns about the current bird flu in Asia. ..............After the sudden fatalities at Brevig Mission, officials of the territorial government hired gold miners from Nome to dig a grave large enough for 72 people. Driving steam points into the permafrost on a hillside near the village, the miners melted a hole 12 feet wide, 25 feet long, and about six feet deep. The bodies buried there remained somewhat preserved by the frozen soil surrounding them.

More here: www2.gi.alaska.edu...

reply to post by Pauligirl


wow!
thank you Pauligirl, i hadn't heard of this one before.
why do people think they can control things like this? heck, people can't even control their little puppy dogs from doing its number on the neighbor's lawn. what makes scientists think they can control a thing like this?

bird flu yikes!

-subfab

reply to post by Hefficide


cool info Hefficide,

my concern with virus revival is that scientists seem to enjoy combining these things to other things. like combining it with the cold bug. scientists just aren't happy enough by breathing new life into an old plague. they have to see what it can do and what it can attach to. and discover the different mediums at which the plague can be spread.

for me, the threat of a plague frightens me more than any atomic disaster.


-subfab

Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by subfab
hello all,


has anyone heard of this before? if so, can you post a link if you can? it's been bothering me for months now. i wanted to follow up on what they discovered.



anyone got any ideas?

-subfab

may be this
Spanish flu at Brevig Mission, on Alaska's Seward Peninsula

Pathologist Johan Hultin. Hultin, 81, twice retrieved samples of the virus from the lungs of flu victims preserved by permafrost in an Alaska village. Molecular pathologists used the latter of those samples to reconstruct the virus and discover that it jumped from birds to humans, which led to concerns about the current bird flu in Asia. ..............After the sudden fatalities at Brevig Mission, officials of the territorial government hired gold miners from Nome to dig a grave large enough for 72 people. Driving steam points into the permafrost on a hillside near the village, the miners melted a hole 12 feet wide, 25 feet long, and about six feet deep. The bodies buried there remained somewhat preserved by the frozen soil surrounding them.

More here: www2.gi.alaska.edu...

I saw a documentary on that , it was right before the bird flu epidemic..go figure.

reply to post by Hefficide


Legionellosis is already deadly. It is what causes Legionaire's Disease. The number one cause? The vegetable sprayers in your grocery store.

reply to post by rickymouse


Bugs mutate on their own. Scientists don't need to help them. Which is why you need a new flu vaccine every year.

reply to post by subfab


You are comparing two completely obscure things. The average idiot dog owner can't control their dog, a pathologist or infectious disease specialist knows how to control a bug, which is usually frozen in a container.

A new pandemic will potentially be brought about by a viruses either mutating on their own or stealing dna from another in a host.

By having an idea of the structure ahead of time, they can come out with a vaccine much faster.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Legionellosis is already deadly. It is what causes Legionaire's Disease. The number one cause? The vegetable sprayers in your grocery store.

Yes, agreed. It was listed generally. Several of the things in my list are there because if they mutated into a form that was more easily spread... that could cause a major pandemic. Legionellosis, ebola, and hantavirus specifically - as they are already deadly but tend to stay localized and flare ups burn out quickly.

~Heff