New Audio surfaces, Obama Says "That Fetus or Child" Was "Just Not Coming Out Limp and Dead"

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I grew up in poverty as well. My mother was a single mother that had 4 children. Hope you're not her because I have a very negative opinion. There was no need to have as many children as she did if she could not care for the ones she already had. She never tried to get a job, only tried to find a new man to pay her way and to pay for raising her children. She also knew how to work the system to her advantage. I suppose to her it was free money or way of life that she didn't actually have to work for other than dumping out more children.

To me she never accepted the responsibility of being a mother. We had to live in conditions that I have spoken of before on this site, but needless to say they were not acceptable conditions to raise any child in.

Oddly enough she carries on with the same "my children are my world, blessing, insert adjective here" yet my siblings and I see things much differently than she tries to paint them. She is also very religious all of sudden as well...

Before the spin gets out of control:

Obama and ‘Infanticide’ - The facts about Obama's votes against 'Born Alive' bills in Illinois.
(factcheck.org)

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


RS has not real concern for the issue at hand, he only took offense that someone said something about the Supreme Leader Admiral General Obama.

When analyzing the source of FactCheck.org, one has to also take into account that the Annenberg owned site is ran through the Annenberg School for Communication which is a part of the University of Pennsylvania. UPenn, which I am calling it for abbreviation sake, is a liberally biased institution that has had its fair share of controversies in the past. In recent years, they have had several free speech issues, even though they were awarded the highest possible free speech rating by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


How is Factcheck.org the authority on actual facts???

So don't try to spin it your way either...

Link

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Doom and Gloom

 

I have been poor all my life, had four children, I never thought they were a burden, they are the light of my life,

I do believe in the soul and the sacredness of life of all forms, and I think the state of the human race today is the result of us losing our connection with the divine.

JMHO

no, it isn't losing connection with a mythical being... it's the simple brutality of people against people....your mythical being (divine god) lets ten of thousands of african children die each year due to hunger, disease, and starvation...those people DO NOT have abortions...they have children that rot away and die soon after they are born. there is also strong support for wars that blow children's bodies to pieces.
this is the world that we have lived in for quite some time, i for one, wish it could be cum-by-yah, happy,happy civility, but it isn't.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


And FactCheck isn't spin? Try to find anything negative about Obama on FactCheck.
I doubt you will because he is perfect.

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom

When analyzing the source of FactCheck.org, one has to also take into account that the Annenberg owned site is ran through the Annenberg School for Communication which is a part of the University of Pennsylvania. UPenn, which I am calling it for abbreviation sake, is a liberally biased institution that has had its fair share of controversies in the past. In recent years, they have had several free speech issues, even though they were awarded the highest possible free speech rating by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

How is Factcheck.org the authority on actual facts???

So don't try to spin it your way either...

Link

edit on 24-8-2012 by Doom and Gloom because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-8-2012 by Doom and Gloom because: (no reason given)

you "link" only talks about factcheck.org "take" on Obamas birth cerificate...along with a bunch of other "opinions" of liberals.
maybe you can DETAIL what factcheck.org got wrong

reply to post by Doom and Gloom


Positive we are not related, is that a veiled attempt at insulting me?

I have worked hard all my life, just because one is poor doesn't make them a bad person. Plus material things were not my top priority.

If science was one day able to prove to you that abortion was murder, would you change your mind?


Researchers prove fetuses have memories, know mothers’ voices, and have sense of taste, touch and smell

24-Week-Old Fetus

(Posted 08/28/09 www.RemnantNewspaper.com) They weigh less than 3 pounds, usually, and are perhaps 15 inches long. But “they can remember,” reports Jennifer Harper of The Washington Times (July 16, 2009):
www.remnantnewspaper.com...
The unborn have memories, according to medical researchers who used sound and vibration stimulation, combined with sonography, to reveal that the human fetus displays short-term memory from at least 30 weeks gestation – or about two months before they are born.

"In addition, results indicated that 34-week-old fetuses are able to store information and retrieve it four weeks later," said the research, which was released Wednesday.

These findings were obtained by scientists from the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Maastricht University Medical Centre and the University Medical Centre at St. Radboud, both in the Netherlands, after a study employing “gentle but precise” sensory stimulation was made of 100 healthy pregnant women and their fetuses:

On five occasions during the last eight weeks of their pregnancies, the women received a series of one-second buzzes on their bellies with a "fetal vibroacoustic stimulator," a hand-held diagnostic device used to gauge an unborn baby's heart rate and general well-being.

The baby's responses – primarily eye, mouth and body movements – were closely monitored over the weeks with ultrasound imaging to gauge "fetal learning" patterns. The researchers found that the babies acclimated themselves to the sounds and vibrations to the point that they no longer bothered to respond – a process known as "habituation." "The stimulus is then accepted as 'safe' " by the babies, the study said.

In addition, the researchers discovered that the babies’ recognition skills improved as they grew older. Fetuses in the 34 to 36 week age group became “familiar with the hum outside the womb”:

"It seems like every day we find out marvelous new things about the development of unborn children. We hope that this latest information helps people realize more clearly that the unborn are members of the human family with amazing capabilities and capacities like these built in from the moment of conception," said Randall K. O'Bannon, director of education and research for the National Right to Life Educational Trust Fund.

reply to post by Doom and Gloom


Obama opposed the state measure because it lacked Roe v Wade protection.

He supported the federal version of this measure because it kept Roe v Wade protections in place.

He said that much back then. Anything else is just spin.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

And FactCheck isn't spin? Try to find anything negative about Obama on FactCheck.
I doubt you will because he is perfect.

this took me 45 seconds to find...i guess your attention span doesn't last long enough to do this yourself.
factcheck.org...

geez..another shocker!...another conservative not telling the truth

reply to post by jimmyx


More of a history of how fact check came to be and the ties that it has.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Doom and Gloom

 

Positive we are not related, is that a veiled attempt at insulting me?

No. I have no reason to insult you.

Originally posted by Carseller4
This will be brought up again closer to the election. Especially if the Democrats continue to push the legitimate rape issue. Democrats know abortion is a losing issue nationally, but are not smart enough to help themselves.

edit on 23-8-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Abortion is a losing issue for Republicans in the swing states. There is a reason Republicans don't want to discuss abortion. It exposes their social conservative core and reminds people that the party wants to legislate their private lives according to certain Christian views.

Something that moderates and even libertarians have some problems with.

youtu.be...

Hand of Hope:
Arnas Samuel, who was diagnosed with spina bifida, a malformation that leaves no hope of survival, unless the use of an intrauterine intervention.
Dr. Bruner, after extensive research carried out in the Medical Center of Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, announces that could make it, with the baby still in the maternal uterus.
During surgery the surgeon did a normal Caesarean, a small incision through the uterus which to operate the small Samuel.
Dr. Bruner was completing the intervention, which had gone well, when Samuel, through the cut, leaned his tiny little hand and attacked the doctor's finger amazed.
The New York Times named the photo "Hand of Hope"

I have nothing else to say.

Regarding the sky fairy,

Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950), is an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP). He currently serves as Director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. Prior to being appointed Director, he was the founder and president of the BioLogos Foundation, an organization which promotes discourse on the relationship between science and religion and advocates the perspective that belief in Christianity can be reconciled with acceptance of evolution and science.[1] Collins also wrote the New York Times bestseller, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief, which discusses Collins' conversion from atheism to Christianity, evaluates the evidence for Christianity, and argues for theistic evolution.[2] In 2009 Pope Benedict XVI appointed Collins to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.[3]

The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief
www.amazon.com...

"The Language of God: Intellectual Reflections of a Christian Geneticist"
February 4, 2008, at The University of California, Berkeley

Presentation by Dr. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. Dr. Collins presents a case for harmony between faith in science and faith in God. He also shares about his personal intellectual and spiritual journey from agnosticism, to atheism, and to Christianity.

youtu.be...

I think it is interesting that once again selecting a president depends on his beliefs on abortion, life or death, I see this as a war between good and evil.


‘Pro-Life’ Nation? New Gallup Poll Shows Record Low Of Americans Identify As ‘Pro-Choice’

PRINCETON, NJ -- The 41% of Americans who now identify themselves as "pro-choice" is down from 47% last July and is one percentage point below the previous record low in Gallup trends, recorded in May 2009. Fifty percent now call themselves "pro-life," one point shy of the record high, also from May 2009.

www.gallup.com...

Don't listen to what Obama says, watch how he votes!!!

Stormdancer, I applaud you. For both your intelligence and sense of humanity. I agree with you 100%, for what it's worth. Who are we to determine when life begins? Who are we to 'terminate' a life at will and say it is okay, because it is 'our' body and so our choice? When did we become gods?

EVERY life is a miracle...an absolute miracle. You nailed it when you said that our era/culture will go down in the books as barbarians. The gas chambers were more humane than what is done to a 'fetus'. Disolved, cut-up alive, vacumed out like waste.....it's vulgar and disgusting. We have videos go viral and people appauled and sending death threats to a woman who mistreats a freaking cat, yet these atrocities happen by the thousands daily and it's okay??? What in the world is WRONG with our society?

It is not OUR choice...it is not anyone's 'choice' to pick and choose who lives and dies and then to mutilate and kill them sowly, cruely and throw them out with the trash.

Am I offending anyone? GOOD! becuase I am offended by anyone who thinks these actions are somehow okay.

youngest premie to survive

Doctors were not optimistic after little Amillia's early arrival which occurred after a very careful cesarean section birth. She was just too tiny and in many instances a baby born this early is not given life saving care as the chances are so small that they will survive. Luckily for this baby, hospital staff did put her immediately on oxygen and into an incubator. She has continued to surprise and amaze those who have cared for her as she pulled through when no one expected her to.

21 weeks
She survived without any lasting complications
When she was born, she FELT, she was ALIVE and she need to be LOVED. That is what we are here for.

Stormdancer....you are so right. Our culture has deteriorated to the point where we think our babies are waste and our elders burdens. We have lost all sense of community and pride. We need to change this mentality that is taking us down this road that leads to a cliff.

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom

When analyzing the source of FactCheck.org, one has to also take into account that the Annenberg owned site is ran through the Annenberg School for Communication which is a part of the University of Pennsylvania. UPenn, which I am calling it for abbreviation sake, is a liberally biased institution that has had its fair share of controversies in the past. In recent years, they have had several free speech issues, even though they were awarded the highest possible free speech rating by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

How is Factcheck.org the authority on actual facts???

So don't try to spin it your way either...

Link

edit on 24-8-2012 by Doom and Gloom because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-8-2012 by Doom and Gloom because: (no reason given)

Lord...that is some Glen Beckish connect the dots you got there!...Let me try that!

Factcheck.org ...

created in 1993 by the Annenberg Foundation at the direction of the late Walter Annenberg

www.factcheck.org...

Walter and his wife Leonore Annenberg..

Walter Annenberg
Appointed Ambassador to the UK by Richard Nixon
Recieved the Presidential Medal of Honor from Ronald Reagan

Leonore Annenberg..
Ronald Reagan appointed her Chief Protocol officer of the US

Both well known and highly regarded CONSERVATIVES

Here those liberal commie "Factcheck Founders" are with some other guy who must be a liberal commie too!

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I'm going to try and avoid any major discussion on this but the key term to all of this, at least for people like me, is 'viable' versus 'non-viable.'

A zygote is not viable, a late third-term fetus could be viable. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours, I just want you to try and understand where I'm coming from.