Why is NBC doing a Story on Mormonism Tonight?

This video rounds out the mormon faith pretty well...

And it's so catchy!

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Originally posted by HamrHeed
Why do people keep saying Obama is a christian? It makes no sense to people with dignity and reverance for the truth

Because he attended a Christian church for many years and he says that he is a Christian.

Regardless of how we think about him politically, we have no reason to believe he is anything but Christian.

Not to mention the fact that he eats pork and drinks alcohol. So he cannot be Muslim.

So it makes no sense to people with dignity and reverence for the truth to think otherwise.

and honestly, who cares what religion he is. He still doesn't work for the American people.

edit on 24-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

Bra, I wasn't at all implying that he is a muslim. I don't think he is of any "abrahmic" faith.
People will say anything for votes and his actions do not reflect a christian attitude at all.

This series was such a load of crap. It didnt discuss the enormous money prop 8 got from the mormon churches, or the type of businesses that mormon execs tamper with, even tho morally its against their teachings..

This is a way watered down attempt at making mormons seem like every body else.. Which to an extent they are, but this was not informative to anyone already knowing a small amount about mormons.

reply to post by HamrHeed

I know you didn't imply that he was Muslim, but a lot of people believe that....so I threw it in for good measure.

And how to we define "Christian-like". There are plenty of people out there that claim to be Christian and do things that are not so Christian-like. Preachers and politicians alike.

That is why I think that religion shouldn't matter. Not only does it open up every candidate to unjust persecution, it opens us all up to having our faiths ridiculed because of our personal politics.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

1.First thing, I'm not liberal. I happen to be a registered republican, but I call myself a TRUE conservative. I support Ron Paul.

2.Second, I have said numerous times that Romney's taxes are a stupid issue that would not change his support or lack thereof. Just like Obama's faith. It's pointless and only takes away from real issues we could discuss.

3. Christianity is measured by the amount of money you give them?

4. Are you 100% pure in your faith in that you have the right to throw stones? If not, you are being hypocritical.

5. I agree. But since you are so concerned about people being true to their faith, why not talk to the Christians, Catholics and others that use birth control when their faith says not to.

6. You can't expect government to exclude certain groups of people in legislation just because the church cannot force people to be true to their faith.

1. Anybody who attacks Romney as much as yourself and defends Obama as much as you do (on other threads) shouldn't call themselves republican.

2. Oh but Romney's faith is ok to talk about? The documentary was horrible anyway, so nobody opened their minds supporting Mormonism, if anything they gave their liberal base something more to attack Romney with!

3. Do you understand the difference between investing and giving? What I did learn from the documentary was this, Mormons are successful in business because they go on a 2 year mission trip that they fund themselves. That means mommy, daddy, and the government doesn't help them! Investing in Christian charities as well as helping in them, is a good thing. Not sure how you made that into a negative but like a typical liberal you did!

4.What stones am I throwing? I just am curious about Obama's upbringing that's all. I am wondering why NBC doesn't have a special about that.

5. see below.

6. I want the government to stay out of birth control. It's an individual choice. It shouldn't be mandated! Any republican would agree with me. Some "True Conservative" you are.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
That is why I think that religion shouldn't matter. Not only does it open up every candidate to unjust persecution, it opens us all up to having our faiths ridiculed because of our personal politics.

It also opens them up to be scrutinized for their beliefs which is quite relevant and important considering!

reply to post by jjf3rd77

1. Anybody who attacks Romney as much as yourself and defends Obama as much as you do (on other threads) shouldn't call themselves republican.

I do attack Romney and I am pretty quick to point out the bull that comes out of the propaganda machine. In no way does that mean I am defending Obama.

And I don't mind if I cannot be called a Republican. The word doesn't mean anything anymore. But you cannot call me a liberal just because I disagree with you.

2. Oh but Romney's faith is ok to talk about? The documentary was horrible anyway, so nobody opened their minds supporting Mormonism, if anything they gave their liberal base something more to attack Romney with!

Irrelevant to my post. I have not talked about Romney's faith and I don''t care about Obama's. And maybe the Left wouldn't care about Romney's faith if the Right would quit making Obama's such a big deal.

It's the whole 'pot meet kettle' scenario.

3. Do you understand the difference between investing and giving? What I did learn from the documentary was this, Mormons are successful in business because they go on a 2 year mission trip that they fund themselves. That means mommy, daddy, and the government doesn't help them! Investing in Christian charities as well as helping in them, is a good thing. Not sure how you made that into a negative but like a typical liberal you did!

I take it that you did not catch the sarcasm in my post and misunderstood the context. I was pretty much saying that money has nothing to do with you "degree" of holiness.

Romney gives money to the church.....good for him. Does that make him more holy than Obama?

I don't see the relevance and the way you say it makes Christianity sound like a bunch of money-grubbers.

4.What stones am I throwing? I just am curious about Obama's upbringing that's all. I am wondering why NBC doesn't have a special about that.

Are you so perfect in your faith and so damned holy that you feel you have the right to question Obama's religion? You know the saying in the bible "let he with no sin in his heart cast the first stone"?

I don't question either candidates faith. It's not may place. So why do you think it's yours? And by the way, Benevolent Heretic posted links on the 2nd page (I think) of MSM reports on Obama and his faith. So the MSM has covered it.

6. I want the government to stay out of birth control. It's an individual choice. It shouldn't be mandated! Any republican would agree with me. Some "True Conservative" you are.

You completely missed the point.

But the government is charged with protecting equal rights and ensuring that business' may not discriminate against or unfairly favor groups of people, including religion. If someone works for a religious group or church, and are not a believer of that faith, should they be required to get healthcare that does not cover birth control just because of her employer?

That opens up a big mess. Next thing you know any employer can refuse to carry insurance that covers many healthcare needs just by claiming religious belief against it.

It's not telling you you have to like or use birth control. It's telling you that you cannot discriminate against other employees that may not believe what you do.

I hope I was a bit clearer this time. This topic an be a pain in the butt and I never liked it.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

1. But you cannot call me a liberal just because I disagree with you.

2. I take it that you did not catch the sarcasm in my post and misunderstood the context.

3. Romney gives money to the church.....good for him. Does that make him more holy than Obama?

4. Are you so perfect in your faith and so damned holy that you feel you have the right to question Obama's religion? You know the saying in the bible "let he with no sin in his heart cast the first stone"?

5. But the government is charged with protecting equal rights and ensuring that business' may not discriminate against or unfairly favor groups of people, including religion.

6. If someone works for a religious group or church, and are not a believer of that faith, should they be required to get healthcare that does not cover birth control just because of her employer?

1. It's the stuff that that you defend that makes me call you a liberal. You defend liberal principles.

2. & 3. You can't say your response was sarcastic and then ask the question in a serious manner. That defeats the purpose of your sarcasm. Unless you were really lying which makes me wonder why you asked the question again. You are making the big deal out of the money. Like all active church goers Romney gives money to his church and helps out at religious functions. Obama hasn't done this. He's even said, Church wasn't really his thing. He might have been a good pastor though.

4. This is still America Right? You don't question faiths that's fine, but I still have a right to, and you can't tell me otherwise!

5. I don't believe birth control is a right.

6. Birth control costs $9. It's not that hard to go to a pharmacy! Birth Control shouldn't even be in government insurance. That word bothers me....

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by HamrHeed

 

I know you didn't imply that he was Muslim, but a lot of people believe that....so I threw it in for good measure.

And how to we define "Christian-like". There are plenty of people out there that claim to be Christian and do things that are not so Christian-like. Preachers and politicians alike.

That is why I think that religion shouldn't matter. Not only does it open up every candidate to unjust persecution, it opens us all up to having our faiths ridiculed because of our personal politics.

True, I agree and even believe some buddhists are closer to christs' bevel than his so called followers. But who am i to judge? I actively prove to the creator, every day that I don't appreciate his gift by smoking. I am a sinner but I'm trying to love and for long.

Retracted -
I think I am trying to be the unity police or something sometimes in these politico forums. I will quit now.
I am starting to realize politics is like a sporting event, and maybe we need some referees in the arena. ha

reply to post by jjf3rd77

1. It's the stuff that that you defend that makes me call you a liberal. You defend liberal principles.

I have been called liberal just because I do not follow the hard-line party platform on many issues. Please point to specific examples so that I may defend myself.

2. & 3. You can't say your response was sarcastic and then ask the question in a serious manner. That defeats the purpose of your sarcasm. Unless you were really lying which makes me wonder why you asked the question again. You are making the big deal out of the money. Like all active church goers Romney gives money to his church and helps out at religious functions. Obama hasn't done this. He's even said, Church wasn't really his thing. He might have been a good pastor though.

I think you are simply misunderstanding. Not a bid deal, it's my fault.

If I am not mistaken, you said this:

Romney gives 10% of his wealthy to Mormon causes in the church. What christian things does Obama go out of his way to do?

In that statement you brought up the money issue and stated it in a way that questions Obama's faith because of his "lack" of donations to the church. Have you looked to see how much Obama gives? What if he doesn't give as much as Romney? Is he any less Christian?

4. This is still America Right? You don't question faiths that's fine, but I still have a right to, and you can't tell me otherwise!

Damn skippy! You can do and say whatever you like, but don't get mad if people like me see the hypocrisy in how you apply your questions.

5. I don't believe birth control is a right.

Due to religious reasons? That's fine. Don't push your religion on me by trying to form government to mirror your religious beliefs.

6. Birth control costs $9. It's not that hard to go to a pharmacy! Birth Control shouldn't even be in government insurance. That word bothers me....

Who are we to think we have the right to dictate what's covered by insurance? I am not a women and I am not going to tell a woman "Birth control costs $9. It's not that hard to go to a pharmacy!".

What if it was blood pressure meds and my religion believed you shouldn't have it covered? See how far this can go?

It's a slippery slope. Why not give people every option we can and let their own personal faith take care of the rest?

If they are so devout...they wont use it.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


It's official: Joe Biden will not go to Tampa Bay.

Tropical Storm Isaac blew him away.

- AP - put the word out.

God is on our side.

“1. It's the stuff that that you defend that makes me call you a liberal. You defend liberal principles.”
jjf3rd77
Hmmmmmmmmm NEWS FLASH!!! Unless you are against Social Security, Medicare etc, you are a liberal! However, most likely you are a fox “news” enthusiast and have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

1. I have been called liberal just because I do not follow the hard-line party platform on many issues. Please point to specific examples so that I may defend myself.

2. In that statement you brought up the money issue and stated it in a way that questions Obama's faith because of his "lack" of donations to the church. Have you looked to see how much Obama gives? What if he doesn't give as much as Romney? Is he any less Christian?

3. Due to religious reasons?

4. Who are we to think we have the right to dictate what's covered by insurance? I am not a women and I am not going to tell a woman "Birth control costs $9. It's not that hard to go to a pharmacy!".

5. What if it was blood pressure meds and my religion believed you shouldn't have it covered? See how far this can go?

1. That means you are not a Republican...

2. You asked the question a second time and I added more context to what I meant. I forgot to include that Romney does charity works for his Mormon Religion. Obama isn't very religious and doesn't do any charity events that I am aware of.

3. Due to the Constitution. That little document that you claim to defend. I want the government out of BC. I don't even believe voting is a constitutional right.

4. You seem to be confusing the issues. Under Obamacare the government dictates BC is covered and supplied by every hospital no matter their religious affiliation. Under the free market insurance system that we had in place before ObamaCare, BC is $9 and is available in every pharmacy. That's the way it has been ever since BC came out onto the market!!!!! Now, the government is telling me that I have to pay for all these sluts who want the gov't to pay for their BC! Your lack of knowledge on this issue and how you defend Obamacare so much is a perfect example of why I call you a liberal.

5. see number four.

reply to post by wittgenstein


SS and Medicare are a non-issue to me. By the time I am old enough to take advantage of the system, they will be long gone and bankrupt. I am fed up that I have to pay for a system that I cannot even use, but what am I supposed to do about it?

Not work? At least the Ryan plan allows me to opt out of it!

reply to post by jjf3rd77


If we are going to pay for the birth control, should we also pay for the dinner and the movie?

Socialism: Womb to the tomb - Healthcare

Socialism: Womb to the tomb - Groceries : Food Stamps

Social Security is insurance. Medicare is insurance. The only difference between those and private insurance is that there is no greedy capitalist middleman. So, WOW! you are against all forms of insurance. Must be a young man that hasn't wised up that life is tough.
I used to think I was a lone wolf also. Good luck with your fantasies!

reply to post by wittgenstein


If people use it. That's fine with me. As I said it's a non-issue. I am too young for it and too young to even start planning for it despite what the medicare commercials would have you believe. You still have choices in Medicare. I will stop there because you are obviously wrong and getting off topic, This thread isn't about Medicare or socialism or social security. It's about why NBC is doing week long now stories about Mormonism when religious beliefs of the candidates shouldn't be on the table.

If they are than, they should be doing the same to Obama, but we know they won't!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by wittgenstein

 

SS and Medicare are a non-issue to me. By the time I am old enough to take advantage of the system, they will be long gone and bankrupt. I am fed up that I have to pay for a system that I cannot even use, but what am I supposed to do about it?

Not work? At least the Ryan plan allows me to opt out of it!

edit on 25-8-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by wittgenstein

 

If people use it. That's fine with me. As I said it's a non-issue. I am too young for it and too young to even start planning for it despite what the medicare commercials would have you believe. You still have choices in Medicare. I will stop there because you are obviously wrong and getting off topic, This thread isn't about Medicare or socialism or social security. It's about why NBC is doing week long now stories about Mormonism when religious beliefs of the candidates shouldn't be on the table.

If they are than, they should be doing the same to Obama, but we know they won't!

NBC doing stories about - Mormonism - just days before the RNC Convention in Tampa?

Just a coincidence or just another distraction away from our US economy stuck

in stagnation?