Nick Redfern: How is his credibility?

Ive been reading some of his books lately and I find them very very interesting and fun reads. This guy puts a different spin on just about anything in the UFO/Paranormal field.

How credible is he?

reply to post by Vrill
As far as I'm aware, he's got integrity and is willing to separate his own views from his research (like with Final Events - it's all about the demonic UFO hypothesis, but he reports on it faithfully even though he disagrees with the conclusion). I'm not aware of him writing anything shady or incorrect outright, either.

Heck, you might try sending him an IM and see if you get a response - he's got...or had...an account here on ATS for awhile.

Thoroughly decent bloke is Nick, haven't seen him since he moved to the USA however, very straight up guy.

reply to post by Vrill
I think he's a good guy and has done some cracking research. Saucer Spies, Final Events and Bodysnatchers in the Desert have added new ideas to ufology.

Out on the blogs and websites, I've had constructive disagreements with some of his articles and he's been okay with that. Some researchers get annoyed by disagreement where Nick doesn't.

His monster hunter books are great reads. They make you feel like your on the expeditions with him. He is a good writer when it comes to this stuff and his writing tone is very spooky and creepy at times.

I recommend his books. He writes about a wide array of topics. He is especially interested in the MIB it seems.

I just finished Nick's book Contactees which is an amazing read -- thoroughly researched and based on FOIA requests. That's one thing Nick excels at is FOIA requests.

I followed ufomystic.com... the old blog Nick used to post on regularly and now his blog is nickredfernfortean.blogspot.com...

So basically he doesn't discount the extraterrestrial angle but hasn't found any real evidence for it yet while loads of government disinformation has been found but still there are puzzling things. Like Nick mentioned recently a sighting he came across in the U.K. in 1965 of a fleet of triangle craft -- like the black equilateral triangles - and just like Belgium they could not be caught up with. So Nick says -- if this was military then why didn't the military use it publicly to show the Communists they didn't have a chance? Etc. I pointed out to Nick that I saw a big black equilateral triangle up close in 1997 - I saw the craft itself but first I saw the lights on the horizon and then they flew towards our house -- I could then triangulate the distance and size of the craft based on the hill near our house and the big tree it flew over. Anyway then Nick emailed me back saying he had documents on a 1952 sighting of a triangle UFO over a U.S. airforce base in the U.K. My take is this stuff is secret military aircraft based on Tesla technology that the Nazis were developing and then got handed over to the U.S. But why hasn't the U.S. gone public with it? It's kind of like Israel's nukes I think.

Wow I just looked it up -- says Israel nukes now on German submarines!!

Anyway so I just bought Nick's last five books and I'm waiting for his new release in Sept. and also maybe Memoirs of a Monster Hunter -- but I guess there was only one copy left new in the U.S. warehouses. I previously read Man-Monkey and the FBI Files I think it was called -- and I read his first book also but he's not as credulous as he was then in his very first book probably over 15 years ago.

Anyway I read his earlier books -- Body Snatchers in the Desert is by far my favorite but I guess people got pissed since he was using unnamed sources and so the "true believers" in the E.T. Roswell really dismissed the book. OH yeah I read On the Trail of Saucer Spies and Strange Secrets (2003) I read his monster hunting book in Puerto Rico -- Oh I guess that was Memoirs of a Monster Hunter. I haven't read Three Men Seeking Monsters yet.

So anyway the Contactees book focuses on the altered states of consciousness angle -- along with an external energy angle -- and throw in a bit of military mind control -- but I'm not doing the book justice. Again it's a very thorough examination of the 1950s type Contactees and their legacy up till now. A truly fascinating read.

Yeah I'm gonna read "Real Men in Black" next - - Nick's blog says it's just now translated into French.

Yeah and his Pentagon and Pyramids book does give some credence to the ancient spiritual sound energy angle -- which is my personal project -- I have the "Devil's Chord" thread here. I haven't read that one but just heard a couple interviews. Also I was following Nick's book promotion podcasts - -he does like 20 or so per book and has been publishing a couple books a year so he's known for being very prolific. But they are all solid books -again using FOIA research and on-the-ground research. Nick's made several trips to Puerto Rico - and with Jon Downes - Jon Downes has a great book on Puerto Rico also based on their trip there.

So you can hear a recent interview with Nick on radiomisterioso.com... -- and judge for yourself about his credibility because Nick, like people have said, is very open-minded and he takes criticism well and he approachs the paranormal UFO cryptozoology -- Fortean topics - as a level-headed journalist.

I know he has to rely on judging the character of the witness reports he gets -- but then again he does lean on the altered states of consciousness bit -- so it's not to dismiss people but just to realize that there is probably some sort of holographic realm of reality that can be tapped into. I mean I had criticized Nick before for relying on folkloric material that can not be verified but I think he does the best he can -- obviously there has to be eyewitness testimony as the basis for much of the material. Some have compared Nick to Brad Steiger in terms of credibility and the prolific turn out. I like Nick's books better though.

Nick thinks Bigfoot is less of a physical creature and more of a "tulpa" -- a conjured up paranormal entity that is described in Alexandra David-Neel's books from her meditation studies in Tibet. This is something I have done myself with the fulllotus third eye qigong training so I am in total agreement.

Not met him personally but read a couple of his books and seen him interviwed on TV.

Comes from my neck of the woods in English Midlands, but moved to USA with American girlfriend I believe.

I might be biased by his local links, but he always comes across as a straight guy to me. Open mind and says what he thinks. Sells books of course, but I don't believe for one minute that he is a fraud..

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Nick Redfern has written a copious amount of books of the paranormal/ufological genre. This is yet another one in a long line of them. I'd suggest the reader take whatever Redfern writes in any of his books with a hearty grain of salt.

I don't believe in the "Collins Elite" that Redfern's book is about. I don't believe there's been a truly organized group of Americans working for our government that are figuring out religious ways to stave off ufos/aliens (the premise being the aliens are fallen angels - which they may very well be).

The final solution that Redfern reveals is that certain key members of our government and military, influenced by the Collins Elite, will fake the return of Jesus Christ with holographic imagery in the skies, in order to get people to become "born-again" which will then supernaturally aid in preventing alien intrusions.

Redfern also brings in a no-fascistic takeover (with born-again Christian troops) patrolling the streets of America, to fight off the alien presence.

Note: Redfern conveniently makes sure to not give his learned [sic] opinion on what he writes and sells.

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www.forteantimes.com... ,,,,,I'd try reading that before you leap to any conclusions and there's no doubt the whole "Project Blue Beam" was invented by an evangelist in an attempt to, as the evangelists saw it, wrestle back the whole UFO field from what they see as some sort of neo hippy, peace and love anti establishment stranglehold. Now I knew some of the people involved in the British side of this, partly my slide into obscurity was prompted by my own career moving ahead and the pervading religious "bigotry" I saw creeping into the scene. Truth be told, contemporaneously, I had no idea it had become so deep seated in the late 70s early 80s and I would guess, my own background was becoming an anathema to some of those I spoke to.

That's not to say I am buying into the "Collins Elite" however, there is a precedence for a similar body of thought in Britain where currently, the figures show less than 33% or people believe in a "god" in any sense of the word at all.

Cannot recall the specific book but I remember feeling cheated when realizing the author - without noting doing so - had lifted over large chunks of closely similar sentences and the very same paragraphs from a previous publication of his, [Redfern does this often] which this time happens to be "Science Fiction Secrets" (Anomalist 2009-10ish).

Redfern does his homework in mentioning names of individuals or groups involved both he public and governmental viewpoint. Although most of the governmental documentation is hearsay or considered "top-secret," (several times it is only a relative's viewpoint of what someone stated previously), he tries to connect the dots on its involvement.

Redfern concludes the government (perhaps) seeks out strange happenings or artifacts to learn their mysteries and duplicate them for their own gain. Be it for religious, occult or even alien backing, world governments do not know enough about such topics and could be and are still playing the "one-upmanship" game for world domination and control.

It is ironic how much of Redfern's findings were related to the Bible and its lengthy history. Too often governmental reports had weak witnesses or undocumented proof so more photographs, especially of any U.S. declassified documents, would have been helpful.

You have to remember or know that Nick's JOB is writing books as Bishop mentions in the above linked podcast. Thats what he does for a living, hence him being such a prolific writef. What Nick does is present alternate stories or possible options for belief of certain paranormal or fortean topics. I don't believe I've really ever heard him say he believes anything as fact, but instead says "its possible". In fact when I heard him talking about "Bodysnatchers..." it almost sounded like he was laughing at that possibilty, but he still presented it as an optional story. I personally liked the MIB book and Pyramids and the Pentagon, havent read too much of his older stuff but will if I come across more of it...
And yes he's a great guest on numerous podcasts and internet radio shows. Very likable guy...

Nick Redfern is always an excellent read and he brings a lot to the table both research and idea-wise.

However, I have to throw my vote in with Clairacostique on Final Events. Michael Heiser does a fairly in-depth review of the book which I read after I read Final Events and it was mostly simpatico with I how I felt about it. I've excerpted just a bit below.

Nick "inherited" the case so to speak, and while I don't doubt he was introduced to these sources, I do get the feeling he was taken for some sort of ride. That's not to say I didn't enjoy the book...I did...but it just rang too many "something's not right here" bells for me personally.

Will I continue reading him? Heck Yeah!! I appreciate him even if I do have to overlook that particular offering.

What can you say about a story that rises or falls on secret informants? Not a lot. Granted, the mode of information neither argues for or against the material. Nick of course knows this, and is up front about the nature of the material. Along the way, there are crumbs thrown here and there by his informants, mostly in the form of documents that affirm *pieces* of the narrative told by these mystery men — but those pieces tend to be quite innocuous and nothing surprising.. For example, there are documents that affirm that Jack Parsons had a top secret security clearance. Is that really unusual for the co-founder of JPL? There is documentation that the government was involved in having various occultists observed. Big deal. If you are watching Parsons you’re watching others associated with him. True, the intelligence community (and the CE) were interested in occult information and “abilities” — but that isn’t what we really need documented here.

What we need is some actual data that shows a cause-and-effect relationship between these occult activities and UFO sightings and “alien abductions.” No such luck in that regard. This leaves me ambivalent toward the general credibility — an ambivalence that turns toward incredulity when I consider the “thinking” demonstrated by the CE.
michaelsheiser.com...

reply to post by Vrill


Arguably Nick Redfern is more credible than Nick Pope who recently lost some credibility for going outside his Conservative perspective and saying aliens would show up at London Olympics. The truth is, Nick Redfern is more than a one-trick pony.

Also Nick Redfern writes for many blogs ex. www.cryptomundo.com and www.mysteriousuniverse.org

Originally posted by Vrill
Ive been reading some of his books lately and I find them very very interesting and fun reads. This guy puts a different spin on just about anything in the UFO/Paranormal field.

How credible is he?

edit on 22-8-2012 by Vrill because: (no reason given)

You may want to check out ATS Live Radio Nick Redfern Interview then go to ATS LIVE ARCHIVE - SHOW #62 to listen.

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Actually Nick blogged an update to Final Events here UFOs, Demons, Hoaxes

I tweeted Nick on Kris Millegan's personal expose on Lansdale -- see Nick's link for his Lansdale expose. Kris Millegan of trineday.com... has a photo of his mom with Lansdale picknicking with the military leaders of North Vietnam. Kris's Dad said that the U.S. role in Vietnam was more about the drug trade than any actual real conflict and that the conflict was contrived by the secret societies having members from both sides.

So anyway I consider Nick's books to be cumulative in information. His take is definitely not the "nuts and bolts" analysis.

Consider this -- for example I did research on nonwestern music ratios as alchemy. So this was nonwestern philosophy -- in order to test my research I then took qigong classes from a yoga master healer transmitting spiritual energy and then I did the qigong training for my final credits to finish my masters degree. That experience permanently changed my brain and body physiology and also I saw ghosts going to see Chunyi Lin to get healed. Also I did healing myself and I accidentally pulled this old lady's spirit right out of the top center of her skull and she was bawling immediately -- I felt this heavy electromagnetic blog even though I never touched her.

O.K. my point is that the altered states of consciousness deal is very real to consider and also to really find out requires actually delving into the altered state of consciousness -- sometimes never coming back. haha. So Nick has also mentioned this a few times where he's tried out some rituals or has had some hypnogogic experiences that seemed like channelling or being a medium.

I think the "rational" approach to the paranormal subject matter is too limited to find real answers.

But I guess some people don't think UFOs are paranormal but rather just extraterrestrial but more like an extension of nuts and bolts reality into outerspace. haha. I mean not to mention traveling by speed of light, etc. -- this requires something immaterial in my opinion - -coherent plasma maybe.

Nick Redfern's latest on what are the UFOs?

Concise, fascinating.

a reply to: Praetorius

Now, now, don't rush it.

Mr. Redfern's a fraud. Check his article on MysteriousUniverse mysteriousuniverse.org... -of-all/
It talks about VEXXON, which is, as said in the article, a nerve agent. Except, it's fictional. The author is Dean Koontz, the story - Lightning.

a reply to: Vrill

As far as I'm concerned his credibility is very high. One of the few in the UFO business that is, seemingly, above reproach.

He's able to separate opinion and fact.