Israel vs. Iran: On the Brink?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Any religon that uses words like forbidden scares me... so basically all religons scare me... maybe thats why im not religous... I dont need a book to tell me how to act or live my life, I'm smart enough to figure that out on my own...

Armageddon and the Hojjatieh Sect of Shiite Islam

The “Hojjatieh” is widely unknown to most people in the West.

That is true most people only believes that only the "West has shadow Governments" and evil people like the "rothchilds".

Understanding this new Iranian leadership means understanding how Hojjatieh have reformed from their former position regarding an Islamic government in Iran. This is best captured by Ahmadi-Nejad’s spiritual mentor Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi who said, “It doesn’t matter what the people think. The people are ignorant sheep”

Religious zealots are everywhere.


Execution of the Iranian War Plan

Attack the US and the UK with massive waves of suicide bombers. These attacks will be followed by massive use of Iranian missile borne WMD.

But But they want nukes for "peaceful purposes".

Recruitment to fill the ranks of these suicide bomber brigades began in 2004. The basis is a continuation and modification of the suicide missions launched by thousands of Iranian teenagers across the minefields of the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980’s. However, these suicide brigades will not be stepping on mines this time around in a war with western enemies, but carrying explosives strapped to their bodies as they attack CONUS and elsewhere.

When you think about it that chaos caused by suicide waves would have the Government and Fema running all over the place like chickens with the heads cut off.

It has been widely published that Hassan Abbasi is on record as saying: “There are 29 sensitive sites in the US and the West

What better way to focus attention of the West with the "arab spring uprisings" Libya,Syria and set the final steps in motion with a wide open southern border.

Then follow it up with Hemp destroy communication and then launch from Venzeula while the West is in Syria or Isreal, and elsewhere.

These attacks will come against the US and the UK. In fact, they will target the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Israel because as Abbasi has said these nations “are all the children of the same mother” meaning the United Kingdom.

www.homelandsecurityus.com...

So all the rhetoric is just misdirection to get the US to commit its forces leaving the homeland wide open for the suicide waves.

All anyone has seen so far is Both running their mouths but the alteirior motives could be worse.

Just a "conspiracy theory" food for thought brought to the world by the hojjatieh some people are playing checkers while others are playing chess setting up all their pawns in place.

It's not going to happen....

reply to post by GAOTU789

Sorry, I meant to get back to you on this.

ASSOCIATED PRESS

Syrian forces opened fire across two tense borders Monday, killing a TV journalist in Lebanon and wounding at least six in a refugee camp in Turkey on the eve of a cease-fire deadline that seems all but certain to fail.

AP? Really? The ones supporting move for move the insurgency and downplaying or minimizing the government and peoples (victims) story. I of course will have to take your link with even more salt today, I roll with ATS. Here we are taught to disregard the blatant lies of the MSM. AP is the god head of the MSM. Now if only I could find those satellite maps that show all those turkish bivouacs on the border. They are around somewhere? No?

reply to post by tonycodes


It's kinda hard to hear Iran being painted as a predator while Israel is way worst in terms of creating instability on the region.

Well... I guess the US will have yet another war to keep it self busy for a while longer.

reply to post by 23432

Kurds in Syria also asked Turkish government to treat them like their Northern Iraqi cousins .

And then what happened?
We can't tell from that if it was reciprocal.

Northern Iraqi Kurds would prefer a confederation with Turks .

Here is what I am reading:

The PKK has several times proposed peaceful solutions regarding Kurdish problem, Turkey has always refused saying that it will not negotiate with “terrorists”.

eKurd

Turks would not invade Syria to attack Kurds of Syria

They already did, at Jarabulus around two weeks ago.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by neo96


The amount of fear about OMG the evil Arabs are coming, that OWNS Israeli's must be hard to swallow...

And all the other clowns who run their lives with religion...INCLUDING Islam.

However since you ONLY fear Islam and non-Christian types, you are hereby and THEREFORE completely biased, and this seems to be the case with ALL that give excuse to the "Always be Afraid" crowd, and nations, that really do need a serious Rethink of what LIFE IS.

reply to post by tonycodes


People around here still buy this BS? Israel and Iran have been on the brink of war for how many years now? Israel won't attack Iran. Iran's bark is worse than it's bite.

www.reuters.com...

Read the above on Extintionprotocol 2012 , earlier . To now see such on Reuters - no doubt original writers of such - seems to be easing the pressure for a while.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by GAOTU789

 

Constantinople is the correct name of the city, and I refuse to call it a name whom some politician ascribed to it. Also It is a greater city than the capitol.

Constantinople IS a name a politician gave it - Constantine II - you can't get much more of a politician than the Emperor of Rome!!

A history of its names is here - it has had at least 12 names since it was first known as Lygos, Constantinople was its 5th known name, and "Istanbul" derives from the Greek istimbolin - meaning "in the city", or "to the city", and is the same source as the name of Stimboli, in Crete.

I've known this for years, it is inevitable. Even during the Bush Administration it was obvious enough to me but not to my family. During Thanksgiving one year I demonstrated with bread rolls and other food items to demonstrate that Iran was surrounded by the US Military and NATO in a classic hammer and anvil situation. Is this Gog and Magog?

But do not be afraid, all this was supposed to happen. Lift your heads for our redemption is near.

seriously just get on with it

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


here is the answer

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Egrodan is a US-UK-Israel sympathizer
ha ha

Turkey is part of NATO, Turkey will do as it is told from Washington

And Washington will do as it is told from Tel Aviv

Too complex for ya

reply to post by RustyNailer

Is this Gog and Magog?

No.
In Ezekiel 38:11-13 it says that Gog comes to steal cattle. If there ever was an actual invasion by Iran of Israel it would be for other reasons, such as their (Israel's) capturing Jerusalem and methodically depopulating it of Muslims.

But do not be afraid, all this was supposed to happen. Lift your heads for our redemption is near.

I would again say, No.
What you are thinking of is a mythology created in the early 1800's, right about the time when Zionists were formulating their plans to take Palestine for their own. It is an unsound exegesis of the Bible which makes people feel good who are naturally of a belligerent mindset, where they get some sort of vicarious thrill with war, like normal people might get from cheering on their team at a football game.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Turkey is another US poodle. The Turkish people do not approve of Egrodans actions but since Egrodan is a US-UK-Israel sympathizer he will go along with the criminals. Since when has our government or any of these governments ever done anything that the people want? Egrodan is making a major mistake and the city of Constantinople will be conquered.

Turkey has the right to defend its self and its people and anyone seeking shelter within its borders.

Weather or not they are a US Puppet state makes no difference. When civilian refugee camps inside Turkish borders were shelled, all bets were off.

If Indonesia bombed or shelled Darwin or Refugees on Xmass Island and Australia counter attacked, would this make us criminals for daring to fight back against the poor helpless Indonesians?

There are more middle easter countries that are not puppets for the US, that have no major issues with Israel thanthere are that do. If you act in an uncivilised manner towards those around you, you can expect to be whacked once and a while to bring you into line.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 23432

 

Kurds in Syria also asked Turkish government to treat them like their Northern Iraqi cousins .

And then what happened?
We can't tell from that if it was reciprocal.

Northern Iraqi Kurds would prefer a confederation with Turks .

Here is what I am reading:

The PKK has several times proposed peaceful solutions regarding Kurdish problem, Turkey has always refused saying that it will not negotiate with “terrorists”.

eKurd

Turks would not invade Syria to attack Kurds of Syria

They already did, at Jarabulus around two weeks ago.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 22-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

What happened ?

Well , Ankara is waiting for the fog to get thicker in the valley of death . When the conditions are right , Syrian Kurds would get their answer .

Incursion into Jarabulus is not a full scale invasion , is it ?

I think you are entertaining some ideas about Turks which are not really rooted in reality .

Kurds are not as stupid as some people would suggest either .

Originally posted by neo96

The “Hojjatieh” is widely unknown to most people in the West.

Yep and you have just shown ignorance breeds fear and lies especially in the west.

The Hojatieh Society is very "known" but misunderstood in the west, they are believed in the west to be a Sect of Shia Islam that believes that Mahdi(pbuh) can be brought back to the world prematurely by turning the world basically into a "war zone"...This is a total FALLACY as the Hojjatieh believe in the same notion as all Shia that the arrival of Al Mahdi(pbuh) & Jesus(pbuh) can not be correlated with historical events and cannot come simply because of a sects orchestrated self fulfilling prophecy according to Hadith as only Allah can bring him back when the real enemy is on earth.

I wonder, are you and many in the west aware of the Wahabi and Salafi sects of Sunni Islam that the west have supported for decades who pose a REAL threat to the world?

www.iranaffairs.com...

reply to post by 23432

Well , Ankara is waiting for the fog to get thicker in the valley of death . When the conditions are right , Syrian Kurds would get their answer .

Rhetoric like this makes me believe you have some sort of bias, and are not being totally objective.
I don't think I am portraying Kurds as being stupid or something.
The articles I read makes it look like the Turkish government are ethnic bigots who are the oposite of being diversity-friendly and I find reminiscent of the treatment of the Irish by the English before their independence.
My point was that I believe that Turkey would welcome an NATO mandate to cross the border in force, to do some payback, if you will, for atrocities that they may feel they have been the victims of for decades at the hands of who they label terrorist, who seem to enjoy a favorable treatment by the hand of the Syrian government.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 23432

 

Well , Ankara is waiting for the fog to get thicker in the valley of death . When the conditions are right , Syrian Kurds would get their answer .

Rhetoric like this makes me believe you have some sort of bias, and are not being totally objective.
I don't think I am portraying Kurds as being stupid or something.
The articles I read makes it look like the Turkish government are ethnic bigots who are the oposite of being diversity-friendly and I find reminiscent of the treatment of the Irish by the English before their independence.
My point was that I believe that Turkey would welcome an NATO mandate to cross the border in force, to do some payback, if you will, for atrocities that they may feel they have been the victims of for decades at the hands of who they label terrorist, who seem to enjoy a favorable treatment by the hand of the Syrian government.

edit on 23-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

This is not a rhetoric , I was speaking literally . If Syrian Kurds ally themselves with Esad's regime , then the answer they will get from Turks will not be a nice one .
Esad is asking Syrian Kurds to support the terrorist organisation PKK ( Kurdish Workers Party ) .
PKK is acknowledged as a terrorists organisation by USA and EU too . I hear that the USA is also warning Syrian Kurds to not go against Turks .
I was not suggesting that you are portraying Kurds as stupid . But some others surely do , routinely .
Turks treatment of Kurds in recent decades might of confused you to make the mistake of English - Irish comparison , it is understandable .
Reality is neither here nor there .
If , and this is a BIG if , Iraq and Syria divide into smaller nations and a Kurdistan proper comes into existence , Turks will be the first to acknowledge their country .

Turkey has suffered at the hands of Hafiz Esad's terrorism for a looong time . When Basar Esad came to power , he was thought of to be a different man .

Unfortunately , he is proving to be worse then his father when it comes to supporting terrorism against Ankara .

Turks obviously would welcome a broader force of Nato to stop Esad's regime . There is nothing surprising in that expectation .

Turkish thinking is that there should be a western friendly government in Damascus and Syria should stay as one piece .

Also ;

Turkish thinking is that there should be a western friendly government in Bagdad and Iraq should stay as one piece .

If these scenarios fail and these countries get divided into smaller nations , well , Turkey will be active in re-drawing of these new borders , if you get my meaning .

Obviously , this issue has various dimensions ; sunni - shia division is one of them .

If Shias get to dominate the middle east , oil will be sold to China and payments in dollars probably will not be accepted .

If Sunnis get to dominate the middle east , oil will be sold to West as usual .

2pence

King of Komagene , looking out to eastern skies of Mount Nemrud could of said pretty much the same ,imho.