The Christian of the Future will be a Mystic, or he will not exist at all !!!!

Originally posted by ztruthseeker
Ah, the God who plays favorites. The God who reveals to certain individuals the divine order of the cosmos, and to the others who are not his favorites, he sends to hell.

I love this God as much as he loves me.

God, the Father of Jesus will only reveal to you the truth if you hate and abandon all the desires of the flesh (physical body) - wealth or pursuit of wealth, money, worldly opportunities, possessions, leisure, recreation, etc.

God hates those things because they are hurting and destroying His creations, animals, plants, ecosystems, Earth, and including us - Industrial Revolution, world trade has killed millions, by shifting wealth to a few, leading to much poverty and hunger in many parts of the world which has never been seen before!

If you love working for this world which is unmerciful, unjust, very destructive, and doesn't even care for God, his creations, and all His works. Then God is not gonna come to you.

If you can even 'feel' God and you also love the world (works of men like careers, education, etc, etc..). You actually don't have the blessing of God (Spiritual blessings, not material blessings!!). Instead, you either have the blessing of Satan or the curse of God - God is actually giving you exactly what you want - money, career opportunities, etc etc. He's fattening you up for the slaughter!!!

God really hates those who exploits his creations, may it even be Earth! God however shows His mercy today by allowing the True Gospel to be heard, NOT the 'prosperity gospel' which Jesus never preached! Deny Jesus and you are the antichrist! There is not one antichrist, they are many, you could be one!

Originally posted by dominicus
The Christian of the Future will be a Mystic, or he will not exist at all - Karl Rahner

I am a future Mystic and in the last 10 years I've witnessed the rise and popularity of Atheism, the segregation and division of Christianity due to numerous denominations, the watering down of the teachings due to the east/west schism, and the slow but sure emptying of the church pews.

The Bible even predicts Christians will be persecuted and killed for their beliefs, and I see a time will come when a Christian will be a minority and will have to risk travesty were they to speak of their Faith. Which means the death of most of these denominations. However the good news is the Christian Mystic will be the keeper of the flame and will carry it on into the future.

For a Mystic does not just hold to a belief, faith, and dogma ....but tapers these with actually experiential testing. Direct experiences of Divine truths are what this is all about.

For myself, when I was a mere Evangelical, movies like Zeitgeist and a sudden emergence of larger numbers of Atheists on the college scene ready for debate, really put my faith and belief system to a test and had me on the verge of leaving. However the direct experiences kept me firmly established in unquestionable undoubtedness

I find it boils down to 2 parties. Those who have experienced the Divine, and those who don't. Those who don't are left with faith/belief in one camp (Religion), and complete skepticism which keeps them from even investigating or gaining towards an experience, in the other camp(atheism/agnosticism).

Overall, I have adjusted my system. I see OT as a bunch of reports, of how things went down, so I brush it off, but the NT is a system of life and their is an Absolute to strive for, which would be CHristhood, Love, Selflessness, or Enlightenment. This Enlightenment I also find in Buddhism and many philosophical systems of thought when doing cross comparative studies.

So there it is. My experiences, many of which happened after getting Baptized, hold me firmly rooted in the teachings of Christ being actual facts that lead to mystical experiences for anyone that follows them. I have since remembered pre-existing, had my third eye opened, many times psychic events take place randomly, and lots of energy channels open up inside my body, amongst many other things like merging with an Infinite Ocean of Consciousness here and there.

It is impossible for me deny these experiences for they have seemed more stable and real than the everyday realities we are all used to. I know directly that I am neither the body nor the mind, but a soul which inhabits this body and uses the mind for discernment. Love, joy, appreciating Art/Music, is of the Soul. Lust, greed, hatred, jealousy, and over all animalism is of the body/mind complex. There is a schism within us all and we are all called to transcend. Very little do.

(All this coming from an ex-atheist/agnostic)

edit on 21-8-2012 by dominicus because: (no reason given)

You are not a future Mystic, you already are. People think Christian Mysticism is New Age because of what they perceive it invokes. Christian Mysticism means that you have a personal connection to God inwardly. That is all it means. Quakers and Pentecostals fall into that group.

Yes, we perceive God through emotion, through art, through music and through the appreciation of nature. We worship God who has created all things. But it is inwardly. Why do people cry when hearing wonderful music or watching a film? It is a spiritual experience. God searches man inwardly and resides inwardly.

reply to post by JesuitGarlic

testing the 4th commandment Sabbath day commemoration to the Creator....exactly where the protestant reformation collapsed on at the Council of Trent

Lets see what jewish christian pastor Dr. Michael Brown has to say.

Should christians keep 7th day sabbath?

As i stated before, Christ's crucifixtion and resurrection intered his new believers into a perpetual state of rest.



Sabbath keeping was a prophecy of the Rest to come paid in full at the cross. Keeping the commandments of God is obeying his VOICE who is Messiah Jesus, the Word (Memrah). You should delve into the Targums about the Memrah.

Yes we know you have an agenda to push, that the SDA church is the only "true" church, but you're wrong.

Luke 9:49-50

49 Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.”

50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.”

reply to post by PhantomLimb

No difference at all. I always bless my bath water, and call upon the power of water to do what I need it to do. I once took a vial of water to a Catholic priest to see how he would bless it. All he did was pass his hand over it and say," by the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." That's it! No magick, no spellcasting, just words. I have words too. And so do you.

reply to post by dominicus

He is the bright morning star.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Lonewolf, it is interesting to me that they forget Paul actually approved of Sunday worship. The first day of the week according to Paul falls on Sunday. First Day is what the Quakers used to call it. And if they want to keep the Sabbath on Saturday, they should rename Saturday, because it is a pagan god, Saturn.

I have seen videos of Michael Rood who seems to be an extreme SDA. Some things about him just do not sit well with me. Why are the SDAs not keeping every feast day and every new moon? Do they celebrate Passover as Moses did?

Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Lonewolf, it is interesting to me that they forget Paul actually approved of Sunday worship. The first day of the week according to Paul falls on Sunday. First Day is what the Quakers used to call it. And if they want to keep the Sabbath on Saturday, they should rename Saturday, because it is a pagan god, Saturn.

I have seen videos of Michael Rood who seems to be an extreme SDA. Some things about him just do not sit well with me. Why are the SDAs not keeping every feast day and every new moon? Do they celebrate Passover as Moses did?

People who claim "Sun-Day worship" is the mark of the Beast have no clue what that really is. In the OT God rails at the idolatrous Israelites for giving the days he created to idols. Saying Sunday worship is the mark of the Beast and of Satan is circular logic. If you worship on Saturday you're worshipping the Roman god Saturn. If you worship on Friday you're worshipping the Norse goddess Frigga, the wife of Odin (Wotan) etc., it's hypocritical is what it is.

I don't think they keep all the feast days either. As they say "in for a penny, in for a pound".

reply to post by JesuitGarlic

You can't mix truth with error.

please do give an example...... im sure it will be easy to destroy within the meaning on context of my original post.

You are happy to compromise your faith so you won't be killed off for God's sake?

To experience God, and KNOW first hand that everything relies on God as foundation, is to live beyond Faith and belief.

versus keeping God's Divine Law fully, testing the 4th commandment Sabbath day commemoration to the Creator....exactly where the protestant reformation collapsed on at the Council of Trent).

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret being a Christian mystic. For me there is no stress and trouble about which day to worship, sabbath this, sun-day that, etc .... For me, every single moment is extraordinarily Holy and Divine and all of reality is the House of God!!!!

At this stage you seem to be a poster child of comprise

There is no compromise ...... I have no choice but to except that Divinity is real and Omnipresent.

(so at this stage during the Tribulation period you would be found written out of the Book of Life based on what you have said in your OP)

Well thats a good thing ur not in charge of the book of life for you wouldn't let anyone in. My soul existed prior to body/mind and when those fall away, will return to its source. In the mean time, I revel in the Awe of directly seeing and knowing many of the mysteries of God.

but lament the watering down of teachings while encouraging others to embrace Luciferian teachings against God as well

The same Book by which you justify, reason, and logic that I am in the wrong, is the same book that I use to justify that I am, not only right, but that you remain on the "milk" of the faith, while the mystic feds on the "meat" as paul has said. And if I am embracing Luciferian teachings, why is it that in my heart I have not only the utmost Love the souls of people, but also this heart of mine yearns for Union and love of God ....would Lucifer put in me the want to join monasteries, meditate 5-8 hours a day, and to Love others even if they have wronged me?

2 corinthians 3:6 ......who also made us sufficient as ministers of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

It seems kind of like an odd mix of desire going on here... If you lament the watering down of teachings then go to a denomination that doesn't water down its teachings, remains true to the Bible alone and doesn't compromise....

yes that's the mystical Church, found throughout the world in the form of monks, mystics, hermits, and desert fathers. We are spread across the world and usually do our studies, praying, and contemplation alone.

Funny your ATS name has Jesuit in it. You might want to do some history on the origins of Jesuits. Your own founder was a mystic, followed the teachings of another mystic Francis of Asisi, and in general was all part of western Christianity which split in the great schism from Eastern Orthodoxy(E.O.). Interestingly E.O. not only lays claims to being the closest from of the original Path laid out be Christ, but also holds in high regard and as perfectly normal, mystical experiences to those who look for God.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

No difference at all. I always bless my bath water, and call upon the power of water to do what I need it to do. I once took a vial of water to a Catholic priest to see how he would bless it. All he did was pass his hand over it and say," by the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." That's it! No magick, no spellcasting, just words. I have words too. And so do you.

Please tell me you are joking.