Give me one good answer... Attempt to disprove this.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ThinkB4uSpeak

 

Did you miss the shot we took of the spot where we stuck the American flag? Or someone's flag...not sure which. I believe a satellite or a probe managed to catch a very good pic of a flag on the moon. You missed it?

I suppose you did. Well, this one is from the 31st of July, 2012. Here you go:

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Thats some picture for sure fire definate proof lol

Originally posted by meticulous

Originally posted by fenian8
I think i know what the OP means as in that for all we`re on mars taking pictures of rocks from feet away and you can clearly see my front room curtains and car parked in front of my house on google earth, why is it that all we have is blurry pictures of whats meant to be
the US flag at the landing site on the moon?. Why not go back to the moon, much cheaper alternative to mars, and take super close up pics of the landing site and flag now, it`s almost as if the good ole US of A is saying "ok folks we went the moon,forget about it, heres some grainy sihtty images of it which are very dubious but heres ur front garden in high definition on google earth and heres some excellent pictures of a rock on mars??? bit suss to me.

Moon
We’ve already been there.
We have already sampled the surface composition.
We know there are no life-forms.
It does not nor will never have an atmosphere that could support life.

Mars
Similar to earth.
We have not yet fully sampled the composition of the surface.
It has an atmosphere which has/had the possibility to support life.
With some ingenuity on our part it has a possibility to support future human life.

FYI fenian8 - All the really close up images for Google Earth are taken by airplane and car not by satellite imagery.

Meticulous you seem to know so much about the moon and mars aswell jeez more than a scientist would, heck i don`t know why were even bothering exploring space when you know all about the moon and mars already

i feel humbled to have questioned the official story by TPTB and not questioned any aspect of it and FYI meticulous i know exactely how google earth works just find it strange we go the moon a few times and even with all the question marks over the apollo landings just turn round and say "yeah folks nothing to see here we`re just going to go and explore mars now which will take a lot longer and be vastly more expensive" i do apologise

They didn't go to the moon that's why.

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It would appear we`re not aloud to speculate about that anymore on ATS



deny Ignorance pfffffffffff

Originally posted by fenian8
reply to post by r2d246

 

It would appear we`re not aloud to speculate about that anymore on ATS

You can speculate all you like, but when the best that people can link is an old debunked documentary, then don't be surprised when nobody listens.

There is extremely strong evidence that men landed on the moon. For a start the technology to fake the videos didn't exist. How did they fake the SEQ Bay Pendulum for example?

At least you admit it's speculation, rather than 'evidence' like the poster above you thinks.

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If you read my earlier post i think we probably did go to the moon, but i find it very strange that we just visited it a few times came out with "evidence" that says it cannot nor ever has supported life and its just a dead planet so next off to mars which can or could sustain life even if it hasn`t its scientifically proven that with a few bits of our advanced scientific input could definately support life, seems strange thats all, as the OP stated with all this mass of scientific knowledge we posess and technical ability surely it would be easier, (and make more sense) to explore the moon a heck of a lot more first and proove we landed there, we still don`t know everything about our own planet yet but after a few short stops on the moon we know everything about it hmmmmmmm

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The pendelum is like 1920's hollywood special effects at best. They went in the 70's. Here's what they had done by the 70's

Starwars
Star trek
2001 space audacy

But you're saying hollywood can't cause a pendium to swing slowly? Wow. LOL

The van allen belt I think is one of the major hurdles. But there would be far more than just that one thing. But each to there own right.

Originally posted by fenian8
reply to post by exponent

 

If you read my earlier post i think we probably did go to the moon, but i find it very strange that we just visited it a few times came out with "evidence" that says it cannot nor ever has supported life and its just a dead planet so next off to mars which can or could sustain life even if it hasn`t its scientifically proven that with a few bits of our advanced scientific input could definately support life, seems strange thats all, as the OP stated with all this mass of scientific knowledge we posess and technical ability surely it would be easier, (and make more sense) to explore the moon a heck of a lot more first and proove we landed there, we still don`t know everything about our own planet yet but after a few short stops on the moon we know everything about it hmmmmmmm

Personally when you look at the massive surge in the interest in space tourism, if they actually got the moon, one would think they're would be tons of people willing to buy condo's there if they could. If it was that easy. And why not at least build a space station on the moon? Like it makes no sense. If we could actually go there or anywhere then we'd start populating the closest location first. Then start looking at other surfaces like Mars which is egons too far to do anything significant there.

Originally posted by fenian8

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ThinkB4uSpeak

 

Did you miss the shot we took of the spot where we stuck the American flag? Or someone's flag...not sure which. I believe a satellite or a probe managed to catch a very good pic of a flag on the moon. You missed it?

I suppose you did. Well, this one is from the 31st of July, 2012. Here you go:

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Thats some picture for sure fire definate proof lol

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People are actually suppose to believe this is a real photo? And lets just go way out in left field here. Even if it is real, the US and the Russians both went with robots appearently. Even that we can't fully verify. But If thats' true then how do we know this isn't the landing zone of one of several robot missions? There's no way to prove this was a manned mission.

Originally posted by fenian8
reply to post by r2d246

 

It would appear we`re not aloud to speculate about that anymore on ATS

deny Ignorance pfffffffffff

We're not? wow, oh boy. How do you know that?

Originally posted by fenian8
reply to post by exponent

 

If you read my earlier post i think we probably did go to the moon, but i find it very strange that we just visited it a few times came out with "evidence" that says it cannot nor ever has supported life and its just a dead planet so next off to mars which can or could sustain life even if it hasn`t its scientifically proven that with a few bits of our advanced scientific input could definately support life, seems strange thats all, as the OP stated with all this mass of scientific knowledge we posess and technical ability surely it would be easier, (and make more sense) to explore the moon a heck of a lot more first and proove we landed there, we still don`t know everything about our own planet yet but after a few short stops on the moon we know everything about it hmmmmmmm

aHem ! That's not a planet, but a satellite.

Originally posted by r2d246

The pendelum is like 1920's hollywood special effects at best. They went in the 70's. Here's what they had done by the 70's

Starwars
Star trek
2001 space audacy

Okay. The good titles are Star Wars, and 2001 : A Space Odyssey. If you can't be precise enough with simple details like these, how are we supposed to take you seriously ?

Originally posted by r2d246
There's no way to prove this was a manned mission.

And there's no way to prove the opposite.

I really hate these type of Topics. There is an ENORMOUS amount of evidence the U.S. Landed on the Moon as well as proof positive by Triangulation of the Radio Signals sent to and from the Moon's Lunar Landers never mind Giant Saturn V Rockets being launched into space.

It would be impossible to fake the Lunar Missions. Split Infinity

We going back and it looks like this project may eventually lead to “Google Moon”. NASA is about end up with a big parking ticket after Google snaps a shot of those expired plates on the Moon Buggy.

Google Lunar X Prize

Galactic Suite Signs Contract with Chinese Launcher to Send Rover to the Moon Barcelona, Spain
(August 08, 2012) — The Barcelona-based company, Galactic Suite, leading the industrial conglomerate, Barcelona Moon Team, announced it has signed a launch service contract for a Chinese rocket that will carry the Spanish robot to the Moon in 2014 to attempt to win the $30 million Google Lunar X PRIZE.

The Google Lunar X PRIZE, the largest incentivized competition offered to date, challenges space professionals and engineers from across the globe to build and launch to the moon a privately funded spacecraft capable of completing a series of exploration and transmission tasks. There are currently 25 registered teams for the Google Lunar X PRIZE, which is one of four active competitions from X PRIZE Foundation, the leading nonprofit organization for creating and managing large-scale, global incentivized competitions.

Anyone considered the fact that we range to the Lunar surface quite often from Apache Point Observatory in southern New Mexico and the Côte d'Azur Observatory in Grasse, France ??

Homepage of the Apache Point Observatory.
www.apo.nmsu.edu...

French version of Côte d'Azur Observatory (someone care to have a look as I do not read or speak French.)
www.oca.eu...

English version of Côte d'Azur Observatory page still under construction.
www.oca.eu...

APOLLO Project page.
www.physics.ucsd.edu...
Lunar laser ranging has been performed for the past 35 years, now reaching a precision of 2 centimeters.

There are retroreflectors that were placed there by the Apollo astronauts and also Russian unmanned rover expeditions as well, carrying the French retroreflector. One of these, the Lunokhod 1, recently rediscovered in April 2010.

How did they get there and how have we been able to do so if we had not travelled to the moon ?

Reflector locations:
www.physics.ucsd.edu...
Retroreflectors, or corner-cube prisms, are optical devices that return any incident light back in exactly the direction from which it came.

I am not trying to say that we cannot send a light beam out and back to the actual surface here and have it come back as well. Ham operators routinely use it as a reflector for EME communications. What I am getting at is the response from the retroreflector indicating a PEAK compared to normal background emmissions comparatively.

Dare I also add in the episode of Mythbusters where they actually went to Apache Point Observatory and did just that ?
youtu.be...

Sorry guys personally I feel "We've been there done that."

Originally posted by Ook33

Originally posted by r2d246
There's no way to prove this was a manned mission.

And there's no way to prove the opposite.

Trust me. People lie all the time in life. That's an obvious part of life.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I really hate these type of Topics. There is an ENORMOUS amount of evidence the U.S. Landed on the Moon as well as proof positive by Triangulation of the Radio Signals sent to and from the Moon's Lunar Landers never mind Giant Saturn V Rockets being launched into space.

It would be impossible to fake the Lunar Missions. Split Infinity

So then how do we know Startrek starwars and other movies aren't real? They look real to me? Way more real than the stupid moon landing videos. So maybe they somehow teamed up with an alien race that had those spaceships. And maybe they rented them to film the movies and tv shows? After all they look 100 times more real than any moonlanding video???



This was done in just 1977:

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That's a GOOD ONE! LOL! Those shows or Movies look better or more real to you!? LOL!

The fact is...even though we went to the Moon in 69...it would be easy to go today. There is always an element of danger such as if the Sun had a few Massive Flares or the Craft was hit by Micro-Meteorites...but by and by...it is not that hard to do anymore and with the exception of Landing on the Moon...even back then...it was not all that hard once we developed the Saturn V...a project headed by Wernher von Braun...the former German rocket maker who created the NAZI V-2. Von Braun's hero and person he called his inspiration was American Rocket Designer....Robert Goddard. Goddard was the Father of Modern Rocket Design but the U.S. Military was not interested in his concepts which were around Decades before Von Braun's.

It would be easier to Go to the Moon than Fake going to the Moon as you do not spend Billions on Giant Rockets and Launch them into space and have a Unmanned Lunar Landing Craft as anyone with a HAM RADIO and a few other friends with HAM Radios can easily Triangulate...AND THEY DID...the position of the Saturn V and the Separating Lunar Orbiter and Lunar Landing Craft. All of this was documented by Thousands of People World Wide as well as we were in a RACE TO THE MOON with the SOVIETS...they would never have allowed a Hoax to not be made public.

We placed a Laser Reflecting Mirror on the Lunar Surface to measure the distance changes between the Earth and Moon...we still use it to this day. Plus we have telescopes that can see the FLAG never mind the Lunar Lander Undercarriages as well as we can see the Lunar Rovers and the TRACKS the tires made.

I am sorry but for you to think this was a Hoax...I cannot even label a Conspiracy Theory as the Proof is SO OVER WHELMING that we went to the Moon multiple times...that it is more like a case of DENIAL of a fact that you cannot point out even ONE event that you would claim as proof to your belief it was a Hoax...that cannot be explained as well as tested by experiment and proved to be an effect that would occur on the Lunar Surface.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by r2d246

 

That's a GOOD ONE! LOL! Those shows or Movies look better or more real to you!? LOL!

The fact is...even though we went to the Moon in 69...it would be easy to go today. There is always an element of danger such as if the Sun had a few Massive Flares or the Craft was hit by Micro-Meteorites...but by and by...it is not that hard to do anymore and with the exception of Landing on the Moon...even back then...it was not all that hard once we developed the Saturn V...a project headed by Wernher von Braun...the former German rocket maker who created the NAZI V-2. Von Braun's hero and person he called his inspiration was American Rocket Designer....Robert Goddard. Goddard was the Father of Modern Rocket Design but the U.S. Military was not interested in his concepts which were around Decades before Von Braun's.

........Solar flares can send burst of radiation as high as 1000 rad. Would be fatal. (side note, I heard they lowered the dose effects. Cheched wikipedia. It's saying we can handle 100-200 rad. Foock that! What a joke. OH REALLY? We can handle 100-200 rad because the g--v says it's okay? Get real. You'd be puking at 70 rad.)

.......So again to get a burst of 70 rad in space is nothing. You'd get that and be puking in you space suite.

It would be easier to Go to the Moon than Fake going to the Moon as you do not spend Billions on Giant Rockets and Launch them into space and have a Unmanned Lunar Landing Craft as anyone with a HAM RADIO and a few other friends with HAM Radios can easily Triangulate...AND THEY DID...the position of the Saturn V and the Separating Lunar Orbiter and Lunar Landing Craft. All of this was documented by Thousands of People World Wide as well as we were in a RACE TO THE MOON with the SOVIETS...they would never have allowed a Hoax to not be made public.

.......They could simulate that with the robot they did send to the moon prior, or by a satalite.

We placed a Laser Reflecting Mirror on the Lunar Surface to measure the distance changes between the Earth and Moon...we still use it to this day. Plus we have telescopes that can see the FLAG never mind the Lunar Lander Undercarriages as well as we can see the Lunar Rovers and the TRACKS the tires made.

.......They could have done that with the robot missions they did. Show me the flag? And also if it is there it could have been placed by the robot.

I am sorry but for you to think this was a Hoax...I cannot even label a Conspiracy Theory as the Proof is SO OVER WHELMING that we went to the Moon multiple times...that it is more like a case of DENIAL of a fact that you cannot point out even ONE event that you would claim as proof to your belief it was a Hoax...that cannot be explained as well as tested by experiment and proved to be an effect that would occur on the Lunar Surface.

Split Infinity

...... So we went to the moon then scrapped EVERYTHING? No way dude, that spells cover up. We'd be building condos there already if it was that easy and that safe for human travel. Also there's an xprise right now. To get a robot to the moon you win 30 million. If it was that easy, why not a human? Cuz they'd fry. Google knows they didn't go. So they can't say "human visit" because it would be bad for google.

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So you are saying that we would send Giant Saturn V Rockets along with Lunar Orbiters and a Lunar Lander as well as Lunar Rovers that we can see with New very large Multiple Mirrored Telescopes as well as see the Lunar Rovers Tire Tracks in the Lunar Dust as well as...YES...we can now see the FLAG that was planted.

It would be very difficult to Travel to the Moon...Land and do all the other things we know were done as we have verifiable proof and do this in 1969 with Robotic Control. The idea that we would spend this kind of money to do something that would be cheaper to use real people is unbelievable.

Split Infinity