You must be an idiot if you care about anything at all.

Sorry for the bluntness of the title. I have a point to make, honestly.

This is a thread about feelings towards changing the world... fighting tyranny and corruption.

I am a firm believer in activism and revolution, and I do believe in God. I've always wanted to believe we have something huge and divine to live for. However, lately, I've been thinking more and more, and thoughts drive me crazy... especially when they're so depressing.

It seems as though nothing really matters... it seems like no matter how much you try, you can't change anything. Not one single little detail. Not a single cell in the body is affected when you try to act.

I once heard a lawyer say something about child custody (this is relevant, I promise). He said that, when parents fight over their kids, they seem to be harboring under the illusion that whoever wins the custody battle keeps their kids forever... which just isn't the case. Eventually, the kids will grow older and leave. No matter how hard the parents fight, they can't keep their kids forever, even if they win the battle.

I thought about this logic, then compared it to everything that people generally fight for... the war against tyranny, to stop corruption in the governments, to feed the hungry, to open people's eyes to the truth, and to make things better for the world... could they all be a lost cause as well?

It seems like the world is always doomed to live in pain, poverty, and evil. Think about it.

Every country experiences it numerous times, despite whatever so called revolution or change movement they'd experience. Evil breeds more evil... the Freemasons fled because they were banished from Rome due to their idealistic beliefs that didn't go along with the ways of the Catholic church... which was, at that time, the government. So, they scheme up a plan of how they are gonna abolish all religion and governments so that they can start over and make a one world government (after the Illuminati, whose goals were such, fused with them after they were banished from Rome as well).

So, in theory... now we have an evil, corrupt government... made of people who wanted to escape an evil, corrupt government.

Do you see why it looks like all strong beliefs and movements end in disaster? Who's to say we, the people rebelling against our current government, won't become some inbred psychopaths controlling the governments of the world four generations from now?

When there are people in power, there is the potential for the abuse of power. And as long as people walk the earth, someone will be in, or searching for, power. Fighting evil is a never ending war... the other side will never fall, so why fight? What's the point of caring about anything political or conspiracy related? What's the point in anything...?

Only one reason to give a damn. But it's a damn good one.

First S&F for you because what you said makes a lot of sense.

I HAVE to believe that good overcomes evil and maybe that is a childish notion. At times, it certainly seems like it. But to be able to go through life day to day...I NEED to harbor some form of hope that it isn't all for naught. I need to feel that we have seen terrible times and have gotten through them and we can get through this.

The problem is simple IMO. We are humans. As humans we err. Sometimes we err a shiite load. But we do make a difference.

When you smile at someone their day might seem brighter. That has changed something. When someone helps someone in need without the thought of being paid back... they too, have made something better. They have made a difference in someone's life, and how can one really top that?

The world can not change over night. There will always be corrupt people as long as the sun continues to rise. If the things you do make even the slightest change to someone, something, etc then it is far from a small contribution IMO.

We can't afford to give up just because it seems we are running on a hamster wheel most of the time. When we lose hope....we have definitely lost everything.

You have a valid albeit pessimistic point and argument, and I agree with you. Change will not do anything except breed a new elite group. It has been and always will be like that. So instead of changing whatever the issue is, destroy it.

Start from scratch. Forget change, we are too far gone to repair. It's time to destroy and rebuild. Government and politics aside society as a whole has to be destroyed. A governments power comes from the people it governs.

The way to destroy our society would be through education. Not a specific agenda, just create a thirst for knowledge in the younger generations and watch how quickly the world can change.

Chin up, humans have survived through worse.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

anything is possible and every once in a while the math falls into place and what is thought to be impossible and or highly unlikely becomes a reality, the only way we can sway these impossible odds is to keep trying, so if you want to go whine about how the world sucks go do it on an emo site, my fellow atsers and i dont need to hear how you gave up. and further more if you gave up why would you want to spread your insecurities to others, unless you have hate in your heart and spite in your veins, and now your trying to spread that hate to others, let me guess because in your emo mind it is somehow are fault right?

reply to post by DocHolidaze


You seem angry. Why? Because I hit a soft spot on you? Why don't you grow up.

I'm not whining, and I certainly haven't given up. I've got a small organization put together of freedom fighters, and I've even got my own website for it. The point I'm making sounds pessimistic, yes, but it's not whining. I didn't once say I gave anything up. I was posting a legitimate, valid point, and I wanted to see how other ATSers thought about the same matters. Apparently some people can handle harshly realistic debates better than others.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

[Intro: Morgan Freeman]
As the war between light and darkness continues
Heroes and villains become harder to identify
Kindred spirits separated at birth
Fighting for their place in time to be solidified
The clock ticks faster and faster
While time runs a marathon in this babylon
But see, the end is only the beginning
The beginning of the calm before the storm

[Verse 2: B.o.B]
And it seems like, in the grand scheme of it all
The world’s run by a few people and we never seen them at all
How do they exist if we don’t know who they are?
They can be you, they could be me, they could be queens and gods
Some say that we’re slaves, an alien race created us all
From a distant star, some say through evolution we evolve
But if anything, what you finna see is a change, don’t be alarmed

[Outro: Morgan Freeman]
As the mask of deception falls off the face of humanity
Unveiling the grim reality of duality
In which everyone is a casualty, no one will be exempt
Truth has many shades
It’s not a matter of black and white, but gray
Although many, we are one, so in the final analysis
Could it be that we are fighting a war that can’t be won?

There will always be change....

Didn't the Mayans only reference the date of Dec 21 2012 when referencing long cycles of time in the face of political upheaval? Well... maybe there's something more to it.

It seems as if there will always be a war between good and evil.... Although there may come a day when good seemingly wins, but evil will again rise. But hey, it keeps people on their toes, makes them cooperate and is one hell of a motivator.

The war can't be won... and unfortunately it seems as if there will continue to be battles until we figure this out. Some part of me still thinks that this may be in the very near future, and something amazing will emerge. But who knows.... maybe those Mayans are wrong.

Lyrics from "Bombs Away" B.O.B. Feat. Morgan Freeman

www.lyricsreg.com...

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

It seems as though nothing really matters... it seems like no matter how much you try, you can't change anything. Not one single little detail. Not a single cell in the body is affected when you try to act.

It is the trap of the system, what you express is exactly what it is designed to do.

To make you feel ineffectual.

30% vote, most likely because of the same feeling you express.

It is an illusion, we are all much more powerful than they want us to ever realize.

If history has taught us one thing its that Tyranny may win for now, but it will be beaten, you can only oppress for so long...

One day maybe sooner than later, maybe longer, but one day people will wake up and shake their oppressors off of them like a dog shaking away so many fleas.

We the people are truly the powerful ones, we only need to see it.

This seems to echoe John Stuart Mill's "Utilitarianism" ...

Is an action defined as good based on the motive or outcome?

Is action worth taking simply because it is the right thing to do (despite overwhelming odds and an improbable victory)?

I think so.

I guess it depends on your objective.

Is your objective to fight tyranny and see it extinguished in your lifetime, perhaps in an effort to safeguard the future of your children? Or perhaps to ensure your own freedom? If that is the case - then yeah, it might be a fruitless endeavor. Because who knows, the bondage of despotism might take lifetimes and many generations to overcome if it is to be overcome at all.

Or is your objective to simply do the right thing (despite likely defeat), if for no other reason than to die with a clear conscience? If this is the case - then no, it is not fruitless. At the very least you have preserved your own integrity and honor - something has been won.

As for me, I have no qualms defending posterity, even if I don't get to enjoy the fruits of my battles.

Great post, enjoyed you're expression on everything.

I personally think the earth/universe/humanity is about balance. I don't think its possible (or a good idea) to have a world where we get want we want and create some form of utopia (obviously NOT a good idea, not that it could ever happen) and we can never have a world of pure evil. I could imagine if either got near, something, somehow would balance it all out. So far it's been happening for a very long time.

You need to have bad so future generations can reflect and learn, need to have good, cause you learn just as much (No idea)

What bothers me is i feel so strongly that evil agendas are causing a massive overbalance. Don't ask, but my 30 years have seen and witnessed so much change., and sure some are good, but so much is not.

Could we continue raping the earth, hating, hating, hating, creative weapons that are overkill etc etc.

But, who cares. As long as i am who i am, it shouldn't matter/

This is the kind of question you can spend a lifetime contemplating.... I think the best way to go is help and love your fellow man unconditionally, regardless of religion, political stand point, sexuality, race etc.etc were all here to help each other grow, and if it comes down to it, non-violent resistance has worked wonders in the past, chin up mate!

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


Ya I hear what you're saying. I think that too sometimes. Like what on earth matters anymore. Then I think I'm just going threw a mid life crisis and eventually I'll find my footing again. It's tricky though, because I always thought the world worked a certain way. I actually thought we had freedom. Then not long ago the g--v went and did all this stuff to both me and also basically shut down my biz. After that I realized that we're not free. It's not worth ever doing a biz again either. Because if it's successful, then you know who is just gonna come knocking and wreck it anyway. So It's like, why try at all? Just get up and see what the day brings. I sort of go by the saying "all I got to do is live and die and I'm in a hurry and don't know why". Like I'm just tired of trying so hard to finally get some tiny piece of the pie in life only to find out there's serious powers waiting there to take it. Now that I understand the system, and how it's designed I realize there's no real freedom and there's no point in trying. If you get ahead someone will be waiting to take it. And if you do a biz of any sort it's best not to tell anyone you're in biz otherwise you're just inviting trouble. I've started to realize the only safe biz's that are left to try and cash ones. Like you mow someone's lawn you get paid 100 dollars cash. Any other type of biz is just a recieptee to invite trouble and sick demonic people into your life, namely TPTB. I know I sound bitter and jaded, but that's because I am. Once you understand how futile this world is it's just such a dream killer. I still believe strongly in God. i still believe he can provide some answers if he wanted to. And really that's my only hope left in life is God. There's nothing else in this world that excites me. Because it's a big paradox. You chase after your dreams, you might get them, only to discover it was all a lie. And what you get is a dream full of pain. So it's like why try and why care about anything. I don't know I'm just ranting but I think I just need to get this off my chest. I guess life does have a built in mechenizm of providing things to do even when you get bored of everything.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
reply to post by DocHolidaze

 

You seem angry. Why? Because I hit a soft spot on you? Why don't you grow up.

I'm not whining, and I certainly haven't given up. I've got a small organization put together of freedom fighters, and I've even got my own website for it. The point I'm making sounds pessimistic, yes, but it's not whining. I didn't once say I gave anything up. I was posting a legitimate, valid point, and I wanted to see how other ATSers thought about the same matters. Apparently some people can handle harshly realistic debates better than others.

do i seem angry, maybe because i see my fellow human spreading discontent amongst possible freedom fighters that can change this world for better. please tell me what this soft spot is you speak of? I suggest you take your own advice on growing up, apparently when someone says something you don't like in a debate you start trying to downplay there view on the issue. Let me ask you this, when you and and your freedom fighters get together is this a discussion you will bring up to them. And since you are the leader of a small freedom fighting group i tell you now i want in, please direct me towards your website and i promise you i will never spread the discontent that there so called leader does.

i dont think you want to be starting any revolutions . The german army has just got their operational command back , they can come over here and push any dissent down , or america would.
America would walk in and back up its own controls , on behalf of again , the corporate proxy . Same as in Yemen or Qatar or Bahrain or Dubai if it happened there. Same as on african continent as in asia , in georgia in central asia in iraq in afghan.
Britain wouldnt be exempt.
As long as there is food in the world , water , plastics , petrol , and their variable combinations plus consumer goods of all kinds - dont you dare give up hope. You're an idiot if you dont care about these things . Carve out and protect a way of life that centres on these basics - then you are doing and dealing in exactly what corporations and governments would rather they themselves , dealt to you . The basis of any power or long term wealth is land , its ownership _or temporary use and the ability to realise the potential of the lands - even an utility unconnected desert strip.
Just now think the massive potential technology and life-systems knowhow which has been built up and needs, really needs now, radicals like yourselves to get moving on projects , which advance us as a race , away from the past , into the future . Harden yourselves off - and think about it - the last thing you want is a freedom fight for no reason , when you didnt need to let things slide there .
If you tried , you meant to try , but had to fight a civil war anyway , then you'd be justified in not caring until death .
As of now however , you have no excuse to not care , but every reason to get on with it .
There is a type of net which harvests water direct from the desert atmosphere at night - it just an one example of the type of new 'wealth' available to those kids , through us , and stands to the negation of the old, and to the plethora of positive additions that we must take the strength to emplace for the future.

Out here in the country we have a saying when folks worry thereself sick over stuff like what you are saying...

"You're thinking too damn much."

One person is not going to change governments, ideologies, corruption, crime, poverty, war, etc...

So, what can you believe and change..?

You can believe in a higher power... I believe in God. You can believe that most people are inherently good at some level. Believe that eventually good does triumph over evil. Love... you can believe in love.

How about children and dogs... how about a sunny day, maybe about 75 degrees with a nice soft southerly breeze and a field full of flowers and an ice cold Coca Cola and a Snickers sitting on the front porch..

I believe in a John Deere tractor with a trailer and a grand pa pulling his grand children down to the river to go fishing.

I believe in the smile of a family that now has heat from firwood donated to them by their neighbors... or parents glad that their kids now have shoes and a nice coat to wear to school...

I believe in a counter and a fridge full of food and chicken and pies after the community heard someone was sick...

I believe in sitting by a grill and after years of struggling and working hard... actually having two different meats cooking and smoking and realizing you finally made it...

I believe in the little things in life and people... a nice warm sunny day, a good song on the radio while cruising down a back country road with a pick up full of pretty little pigs you just bought...

How about eating Sunday dinner one more time with momma and eating one of her homemade buttermilk bisquits with a dab of butter and a slab of homegrown tomato...

Andy Grifftih and Barney, July fireworks, the American dream of individualism, hardwork, sweating in the summer sun, kicking back with your friends and looking at a job well done after working all day,

How about ideals and morals... going across the parking lot at the grocery store and helping the little old lady load her groceries..

See... we can't change the world...

We can change the world around us... by ideals, morals, ethics, by just trying to do what is right.

From that we plant a seed that grows and spreads.

As corny as that sounds... I believe that.

Here is an example... I help manage a feed and seed store. A young man comes in. I am white, about 50, have a farm. He is black, urban, has a family and has moved to the country... and doesn't know squat about living there. We begin talking and then we become friends and then we exchange ideas and I start mentoring him on setting up a homestead, raising your own food, handling livestock, the common hazards and pitfalls of country life... overtime, he looks me up every time he comes in. And he is succeeding...

Not to toote my own horn, but hopefully I have helped someone, changed a life for the better.

I believe in stuff like that... and I believe you can too.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


I feel like you do all the time.

It seems the universe is creating all these highly intelligent people who doesnt want to work for the good of everybody, but for the good of themselves. These guys rise to the top in organisations and secret societies, and then use their power to dominate and control the rest of humanity.

Every structure we have in society is built as a pyramid, with hierarchies, and filled with these people exploiting others to get higher and higher. But as a race, we are not making any progress.

Things would be different if we had the option to go out and explore the universe peacefully, maybe find new materials that could be used to solve our problems on the planet, or meet other species and learn from them. Im pretty much thinking of a Star Trek thing here.

But what we have is being stuck at a planet where life is without any meaning for most of us. Working, watching TV, buying stuff, focusing on physical beauty to get attention and sex, paying off interest on numbers that exists in computers, raising children so they become good workers in the system.

Its just not enough for some of us.

reply to post by AlreadyGone


Your post made me pretty happy, being a fellow southerner. I'm a Texan, living in Tennessee

Thanks

To everyone else (mostly), your posts help me a lot, seeing all your viewpoints. I especially like the pic of the children

reply to post by DocHolidaze


I think your little soft spot is the fact that you have the same occasional doubts and pessimistic thoughts, but you try to repress them, and the fact that I shed light on them hit you where it hurts.

No, you weren't giving me your viewpoint on the issue, you were making assumptions about me being 'emo' and spreading discontent to everyone.

Listen--my entire post was a question. I never once said "There's no hope for anything" or "We should just give up" No. I said "What's the point of trying?" Meaning, I'd like to see everyone's reasons for not giving up in the fight against tyranny, despite the points I made on my original post about repeating history and the corruption of people in power.

You seem to be the only one who didn't understand the question.

BTW, my site is called Asylum, and it isn't really running at its peak right now. If you'd like to see it, it's www.asylumfortruthandunity.webs.com... and it's got fifty-something members. However, most of my freedom fighter friends don't hang around the website anymore. They're on my facebook. My facebook name is Jewel Goldman. Check out my friends and the groups I'm in.

God bless

Sir, feel free to call me an idiot.

I love helping others. I'm happy to change the world one smile at a time.

Did you know that sometimes all it takes to break a 3rd world family out of poverty is a goat? See (here) for a way to donate livestock to people with next to nothing.

No money, got a little time to visit someone in a nursing home that's lonely? There are oodles of organizations needing volunteers.

Even if you have no time or money you can pray if you have a little faith.

The world is hurting. If you aren't lifting a finger, you are part of the problem. IMHO

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
This is a thread about feelings towards changing the world... I am a firm believer in activism and revolution, and I do believe in God. I've always wanted to believe we have something huge and divine to live for. However, lately, I've been thinking more and more, and thoughts drive me crazy... It seems as though nothing really matters... it seems like no matter how much you try, you can't change anything. Not one single little detail.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

What you have identified is the CONUNDRUM.... or what like to call the Cosmic Phantasm.... this world is not as you see it. It is dependent on you. If you change, the world also changes. A young man sees one world, an old man sees another, and children see yet another. What makes the differences? The world is the same. But when you are a child you do not have the same eyes that the young man has. As we become adults we learn to see enemies. When we see through the eyes of fear, feeling that we have been attacked, then we act out. This is the dysfunction of humanity to live in the perpetual motion machine of fear and attack, always demanding peace but never finding it.

You are correct--there is a great paradox at work in this world. The great thing about finding a paradox is that when you look beyond the apparent contraction (what you called a "depressing" reality), what you will find will amaze and free you. Behind every paradox is a great Truth waiting to be discovered....you're on the right track, keep going...and don't turn back. Seek truth regardless of where it leads you.

The thought system of this world is backwards and upside down. Recently a quote has been attributed to Chris Hedges, and it has been making it's rounds on various social media site: “We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy.”

Actually, the original quote is from a certified medical hypnotist who lives in New York. Here is exactly what he said:

“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.”
― Michael Ellner

The Ellner quote is a good place to start with this discussion, but it begs the question: Why?

Why is the world upside down? Has it always been this way? If so, then again our quarry is the same. Why do we live in such a dysfunction world? As you correctly point out, at every turn, when we attempt to change the world for the better--the unintended consequences reverse the progress we hoped to achieve and create more problems which were not intended.

One good example of this is Cass Sunstein's wife Samantha Power who wrote a book about how the United Nations could be used to end genocide in the world by being more pro-active. However, after being given the power by President Obama to be the architect of his "humanitarian action" in Libya, Powers watched in horror as a genocide erupted in the aftermath of her fail policy. Oops.

Here we have the classic example of unintended consequences. You make your mission in life to stop genocide, and what do you do? You team-up with a sworn enemy (in this case, elements of al-CIA-duh) and then proceed to facilitate the very conditions for genocide you sought to avoid and which prompted your "kenetic action" in the first place. Talk about a CONUNDRUM... and self-deception!

The point here is not what the Obama advisers Susan Rice and Samantha Power did (or failed to do). The point is we all have witnessed these very same kinds of epic failures in our own lives. Just like the USA creates more terrorist in order to justify endless war, so we look at the world through "the eyes of fear and attack" justifying ourselves as we go on hating our brother (and destroying our world).

Why?

The bottom-line is we live in hell. Why? Because we fear heaven. We enjoy living in a world without peace. We may pay lip-service to the idea of peace, but in reality that is not what we want. In fact, we work very hard to avoid heaven and the peace it would bring. We cling to our sensual desires, our opinions, and our false identity as if our very life depended on it. The truth is these things only create conflicts and keep us held captive to our ego-desires. We are slaves to the pleasure principle and we are always seeking but never finding validation. In short, we are invest in this illusion and bound to our earthly body by our ego.

If a child receives the eyes of an adult he will see the same mess we see. The interesting thing is that we can receive the eyes of a child--by Divine Grace. Only then can we tie our hearts to heaven and find the freedom to love and be loved. ONLY then will be escape this hell and return home.