You're about to become very very rich...

It s definitely not an easy subject , value theory , because as per wiki link on it , (scientific) value theory , or axiology (its predecessor)
is the overall concept which spawned religions , religious philosphies , politics. political philosphies , and metaphysical philosphy (eg /kant) . Which is why psychology - the individual , sociology - the mass , and economics(the way of life) , are all involved in value theory .
What I have done is attempt to update thinking on one issue - wealth , and critically the further issue - realised wealth . Both are primarily economic concerns (no i am not poor my (physical) assets are sustaining me) - but I am overlaying the criticality 'wealth' and 'realised wealth' over that of all societal affairs , and individual matters .
Making categorical imperitives from an original very simple axion -
that realised wealth exists when there is absence of the negation of (that) wealth

He distributed karma to the law of attraction, nature, and money.

I should clear again that for sake of the title, you are only rich when you realise your richness. . Anything that might stand in the way of your realising your own wealth stands as a negation of both physical wealth and your enjoyment of antural resources , including those you may have gained to be called 'your own wealth' .

Looked at this way , any way round , the future is a grim place for those who have any burden upon their consciousness.
They wont enjoy the fruits of unjust gain - as simple as that - we make one rich , the other poor .
It will be their own loss , until they turn around , while to those who live by moral honesty (in view of their securing any lasting future realisation of wealth in any form (peace of mind) (or even profit)) there is every wealth available , which is not seen as evil . Fair and by the truth is what it is . So welcome to being very very rich, while standing on the heads of your detractors .

The approach could be a lot deeper , or better worded, hopefully it will sink in to the right people. Cheers for the replies . And god bless you while you sleep soundly at night .

Poor is a state of mind. not a state of finance.

one person can be quite poor in finance, yet they make the right choices.. they dont kill others, they dont rob their fellow man of their hard earned fruits of their labour. this person is rich because this adds to the character of their being. their spiritual standing beyond this world.

one can be rich in finance.. yet still they steal from the fruits of labour of others.. they are poor

and i believe this is what the OP may be addressing. finance of this world is fleeting. it is temporary. u cannot take it with you beyond the grave.

make no mistake.. many who are now rich will enter into the next world very poor.. and some still will enter into it dead.

it is easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. not impossible.. so to all the rich folks.. i hope u are truly rich. use ur riches wisely. give to the poor and become an agent of balance. an operative of the universe.. u will gain the attention of the God u no longer believe in.

You can live in a trailer and eat lobster on Sundays...
or you can live in a mansion and have a bologna seven days a week.

No offense to bologna. I like bologna, but I also like lobster.

You're about to become very very rich...

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You lied, I'm disappointed.

You owe me time and money.....

Mickierocksman

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The last poster like lobster _and bologna . He has a good point . Do you like to eat both ? Maybe what you missed is the direct 'now-ness' of the proposal , and the future aspect which using the axiom brings(simple on base levels , but also applicable in attempts to realise multiple and maximal profits - for example of the complex applications .)
If you in sydney - which end of the good beaches do you like ? both? then you should be getting the idea i hope.
You have wealth to realise which I dont - the clean sea - it doesnt heal your blisters up round here . You share a country as big as all that with 20-odd million people only - if that doesnt equal rich to you - then you are missing another point which is equally applicable, even if you are on handouts.

The last thing Id want is people to feel ripped off - they havent been - bar that I am not an academic scholar - but I know a few , getting serously in-depth with value theory. Its up to us to use it - if we dont then we will be poor.

The Millionaire Next Door

wiki page

The book The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America's Wealthy (1996, ISBN 0-671-01520-6) is by Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko.

Million dollar choices

nb: UAW = under accumulator of wealth (PAW = prodigious accumulators of wealth ) (AAW - avererage accumulators of wealth )

Some of the financial choices that UAWs make are considered to be “million dollar choices” because if the choice hadn’t been made, the UAW would have in excess of a million dollars. One example of a million dollar choice is to smoke. Smokers and alcoholics tend to be UAWs because instead of building net worth, they spend their income to purchase alcohol or cigarettes. Another hypothetical example given in The Millionaire Next Door explains how a small purchase of cigarettes over a long period of time can accumulate a large sum of money. Mr. Friend’s poor parents were smokers and drinkers. They smoked at least three packs of cigarettes a day during the week. Three packs a day over 46 years translated into a sum of money that exceeded the value of their home by $33,000.[1] Even more extraordinary, if the Friends had invested and reinvested that money over a 46-year period, the portfolio would have exceeded $2 million. The value of a small amount of money over a long period of time is amazing. A UAW makes choices that, although financially insignificant at the present value, have a very significant future value. Choices such as drinking two cases of beer a week, smoking several packs of cigarettes a day, and buying large amounts of unnecessary food and objects are some examples of typical UAW choices. These choices are not necessarily large financial purchases right now, but over a long period of time, the opportunity cost of that money is very expensive.

Extracts from page.

Criticisms of the book include the lack of appraisal of assets, for example , concentrating on an (economic) 'income' approach .
This would provide perspective on our own asessments here : much more generalised and less measured by numerical/statistical means . The book is a quantitve approach, this thread aimed at qualitative content .

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Accounting is obviously not your strong point.

I also notice a distinct lack of ethics in your lengthy and painful to read post.

Perceived wealth. Buddy, I have less than $100 at my disposal. I perceive it as what it is. I have food in my cupboards, a great family and a bitchin' car. After watching most financially valuable goods and retirement dwindle away in the last four years...I know the value of money. I also learned the value of ethics.

I perceive your baloney. Step away from the "send" button.

surplus value wiki link

I cant slip Marx and Engels quotes from this page . Boxed quotes 1 and 2 are applicable re human labour being the source of created wealth .

Marx identifies that surplus value can be measured as profit , but critically that profit having 'form' is not the invisible surplus value, or the rate of surplus value .

Also that while massive wealth has been created in the last 100 and more years (via industrial revolution etc) , also as yet no previous generation had realised the potential of simple human labour to create wealth (for the bourgoise/marx- communist manifesto)

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
I think he is saying that wealth is much more than money and material things.

i thank i have ADHD that hurt me to read every line without skipping over it,
that was good.
i agree i thank,lol

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The trouble is, the further you go away from what I am saying , for example into perceived wealth , or pure economic accounting , or ethics, the closer you get to totalitarianism, eg communism, or religious definition and forcing of value theory onto people. So you're right to get defensive - but look what the google page says about perceived wealth - its a political battleground , and there is an intention from me not to go there .

Morals - fine , I have included this aspect of realising wealth - without morals , you dont get to realise your wealth , because a large foundation of its sustainability is missing - wealth can become a liability if its been stolen , a big liability, not any kind of wealth then , because its ultimately negated.

For you - spend none of 100 dollars, protect your family , and service your car regularly . Remember -if you want to remmeber accounts - in the black , is not in the red . And in the red is where alot of folk are . No point arguing political philosphy - I am just trying to say, remember whats good is you enjoy wealth already yours . In that way do not pass go, do not collect £200 , just fold and leave the (old) game declared.

it was a long tread but when you look at all the smart people break it down into black & white,lol
im rich!!!.ive been liveing with in my means for years,
my wife & i was talking about how the all American way spend more than you have,just yesterday was a joke..
we had a laugh on how our banker loves us as long as we pay our bills..we can make a phone call & be like the Jones.or keep our money & spend it on fun.
im going to drop my 401k its to unstable it just been a piggy bank anyway.

they wont let me have it back unless i grow old & die befor i can spend all of it.
the money going in only keeps use out of a differant tax bracket..we can use it to have fun.
every thang we have is payed for, we cut up the plastic,
so what if we have to stay at a small motel because we dont have plastic..
i still work 60hrs a week but its all for the family.
our next investment a smaller car im tired of paying 400 a month for gas..
wow im rich, i have more money than our government if its not payed for its not mine
.thank you for the thought.lol im slow ,lol but ha im rich!!!!.
little asintrick,lol

A pragmatic approach , to the subject of realised wealth, would include both a quantitive and qualitative assessment from the perspectives of value theory .
IMO that would then exclude any ethics, and any religious or political assertion , or economic reasoning for negation of a workable axiom . One which forms or hopes to form a categorical imperative though, does include moral philosophy or reasoning , and would have to have as a given, Kants previous influence on the subject of value theory - morals.

Therfore ethics are to be excluded (imposition upon scientifically generated value theory) along with religion , first and foremost . Both are replaced by an higher importance - the moral good .
Economic concerns however, there are points to be made.

To draw in some more over-rulers here , one is that expression, 'knowledge is power' . In this way , wealth which is weighed as knowledge , _must not be allowed to be negated . Instrumental use of such a statement , is primary pre-requisite of life , and by drawing these axioms we attempt to draw ever closer to a future which holds at each point it reaches, at every point that becomes realised into existence , a basis of action which cannot fail.

What we attempt to draw out is a perspective of receivership (the consciousness) which at every point encounters the/ any developing future, perfectly . (ie categorical imperatives)

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brilliant to hear that - i hope you both enjoy every minute .

Aghh!

WHA'CHA TALKIN' 'BOUT WILLIS??!!!!!!

Somehow I get the impression that this is just a long-winded unclear rambling that could have most likely been explained (even as ODD as it is) in just a couple of sentences.

There are folks out there who want to DAZZLE their audience with all kinds of "intellectual", "sophisticated", "intelligent-sounding" gibberish, but instead all that they achieve is BOOS and LAUGHTER from their audience when the audience sees through it...

BOO-HISS!!!

So realized wealth is when you realize that you have everything you need or think you will need to survive in the future and you lose desire to attain more? It's great if something unexpected comes up like you live longer than you expect or someone cons you out of your money. This realized wealth perception would be a personal reflection on your desired way of life.

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Aghh!

WHA'CHA TALKIN' 'BOUT WILLIS??!!!!!!

Somehow I get the impression that this is just a long-winded unclear rambling that could have most likely been explained (even as ODD as it is) in just a couple of sentences.

There are folks out there who want to DAZZLE their audience with all kinds of "intellectual", "sophisticated", "intelligent-sounding" gibberish, but instead all that they achieve is BOOS and LAUGHTER from their audience when the audience sees through it...

BOO-HISS!!!

www.google.co.uk...=en&gs_nf=1&pq=value%20theory%20re alised%20wealth&cp=16&gs_id=35&xhr=t&q=perceived+wealth&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=perceived+wealth&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c84ce46124a 7e2b8&biw=1440&bih=846google results

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explain this then

And anyway its a , one , sentence ,

regarding _your business account .

The (your) post serves as good example of how not to receive the future - as in , without protecting your moral self.
Double negatives - so easy to explain .

Originally posted by rickymouse
So realized wealth is when you realize that you have everything you need or think you will need to survive in the future and you lose desire to attain more? It's great if something unexpected comes up like you live longer than you expect or someone cons you out of your money. This realized wealth perception would be a personal reflection on your desired way of life.

Actually no , quite the opposite . The trouble with this, its dawning on me, is that alot of people are not going to like it . In fact its wierd because people like it and dont like the idea of it , some of them , at all, because they are stuck with
eg.
mortgage (french for 'death-gauge')
loans
overdrafts
debts
the propspect of fuel bills
food bills
housing insecurity
unclear federal aims
and on and on and on.
These are the opposite of wealth , an unfortunately people have been conned, badly conned into valuing lifestyle choices over principal practicalities .
The state of the business account is a fact of life - this is where it is not a desired life option to ignore that.
Its very little to do with personal need - because anything satisfied above that (Maslow) could be considered wealth, profit, surplus value . Whichever name it is , credit you might call it , the future wil always dictate the relative truth of our perspectives , and what we use of our personal understandig of facts, facts alone, will be what basis we must work on.
To draw in the future - the weight of all existence is carried by that world . Hence the futures market, speculation , and balance sheets being balanced the way we want them (by examples not need)