Genetically engineering 'ethical' babies is a moral obligation, says Oxford professor

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger


[s]he wrote something to the effect that we would be horrified if we saw a bird break it's young's wings

and then push it out of the nest, yet human society does exactly that.

I don't see any connection to what I posted.

Ethics: Noun:
Moral principles that govern a person's or group's behavior.
The moral correctness of specified conduct.

What a charming outcome of the latest eugenics propaganda machine - that parents have a 'moral responsibility' to choose the "ethics" (morals) of their children via genetic tampering. If the elite have their way, I'm sure that psychopathic traits will be chosen. I truly cannot fathom the height of arrogance that insidious atheism is instilling in it's many adherents. I used to view it as simply a rejection of God as Creator, but I now view it as a complete and utter replacement of man AS GOD in the mind and heart. There can be no doubt after reading this article. Yes, the end is nearly here. Come Lord Jesus.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger


[s]he wrote something to the effect that we would be horrified if we saw a bird break it's young's wings

and then push it out of the nest, yet human society does exactly that.

I don't see any connection to what I posted.

sigh, we are only a generation apart [i'm 45] so i'm surprised

lower form mammal animals seem to be a lot smarter then human animals when it comes to reproduction.

i am agreeing with you[?] it's all to do with the historical disempowerment of humanity

many, if not all, of the advantages/improvements/abilities the transhumanists and eugenicists are using as selling points

Are already available to humans,
if they are willing to make the effort at self empowerment
from my previous post:

Anyone with a child in school knows the signs all too well. I have children in school, and I am intrigued by the faith parents now invest—the craze began about 1990—in psychologists who diagnose their children as suffering from a defect known as attention deficit disorder, or ADD. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether this "disorder" is an actual, physical, neurological condition or not, but neither does anybody else in this early stage of neuroscience. The symptoms of this supposed malady are always the same. The child, or, rather, the boy—forty–nine out of fifty cases are boys—fidgets around in school, slides off his chair, doesn't pay attention, distracts his classmates during class, and performs poorly. In an earlier era he would have been pressured to pay attention, work harder, show some self–discipline. To parents caught up in the new intellectual climate of the 1990s, that approach seems cruel, because my little boy's problem is...he's wired wrong! The poor little tyke —the fix has been in since birth! Invariably the parents complain, "All he wants to do is sit in front of the television set and watch cartoons and play Sega Genesis." For how long? "How long? For hours at a time." Hours at a time; as even any young neuroscientist will tell you, that boy may have a problem, but it is not an attention deficit.

Nevertheless, all across America we have the spectacle of an entire generation of little boys, by the tens of thousands, being dosed up on ADD's magic bullet of choice, Ritalin, the CIBA–Geneva Corporation's brand name for the stimulant methylphenidate. I first encountered Ritalin in 1966 when I was in San Francisco doing research for a book on the psychedelic or hippie movement. A certain species of the genus hippie was known as the Speed Freak, and a certain strain of Speed Freak was known as the Ritalin Head. The Ritalin Heads loved Ritalin. You'd see them in the throes of absolute Ritalin raptures...Not a wiggle, not a peep...They would sit engrossed in anything at all...a manhole cover, their own palm wrinkles...indefinitely...through shoulda–been mealtime after mealtime...through raging insomnias...Pure methyl–phenidate nirvana...From 1990 to 1995, CIBA–Geneva's sales of Ritalin rose 600 percent; and not because of the appetites of subsets of the species Speed Freak in San Francisco, either. It was because an entire generation of American boys, from the best private schools of the Northeast to the worst sludge–trap public schools of Los Angeles and San Diego, was now strung out on methylphenidate, diligently doled out to them every day by their connection, the school nurse. America is a wonderful country! I mean it! No honest writer would challenge that statement! The human comedy never runs out of material! It never lets you down!

www.orthodoxytoday.org...

Behold, I teach you the Superman,
Man is something to be overcome,
what have you done to overcome Him?

-Nietszche - Thus Spake Zarathustra

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

sigh, we are only a generation apart [i'm 45] so i'm surprised

My post was about selective breeding.

It was not about anything beyond that.

reply to post by Annee


and your animals do so by instinct,

not corrupted "reasoning" or pseudoscience or managment by would be owners.

the only rule governing creativity, is the act of creation itself.

whatever




PS oh, and recent advances in stem-cell research show
that pretty much any cell from the patient can be made to change into stem cells
thus eliminating the need to use embryos

there are a few threads here on that subject.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

the only rule governing creativity, is the act of creation itself.

Guess you'd have to believe in creation.

I just think you are trying to complicate something that isn't.

reply to post by Annee


my objections are rational, not rooted in religion
became an atheist at 12, due to being a diligent student of religion

currently a shamanic pantheist
or whatever i'm calling myself this week

currently getting a migraine as well

also dont do or believe in debate as the purpose of argument is to alter the nature of truth.
thought i'd clear that up as well

good night then

edit replying here so as to not make an off topic post

Originally posted by Annee

Sorry about the migraine.

reply to post by Annee


lol not your fault, its hurricane season in PR
the constant shift in airpressure causes it
when i'm in new york i've never had one
funny thing is i'm not a smoker in NY either, go figure

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Annee

 

my objections are rational, not rooted in religion
became an atheist at 12, due to being a diligent student of religion

currently a shamanic pantheist
or whatever i'm calling myself this week

currently getting a migraine as well

OK. Pantheist is logical and intelligent IMO.

Sorry about the migraine.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I saw the movie... I really liked it. Pretty interesting world to imagine.

I think this Professor saw the same movie....entirely TOO many times. He almost describes the process and reality of genetic screening and correction of children in that plot to the last detail.

In a world where almost every good deed brings 2 unforeseen consequences..I think we're a few centuries away from where anyone ought to be playing God with genetics within Humans. Either changing it or screening based upon it. What could go wrong here? Everything.

edit on 17-8-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

YOU BEAT ME TO IT!

reply to post by Druscilla


Besides everyone shows a small bit of love for antiques right... i personally would find naturally occuring enlightened being to be far more interesting. Like a single matchstick made from a great red wood tree.

like you were kinda saying me and you wont fade away... our biology will just have to be augmented to a greater degree to reach the potential of the current human genetic advancements. Should we choose it.

Regardless we are all inferior to machines desgined for specific tasks something all biological entites have to face.

I'm all for physical genetic designer babies. You know - - inherited genetic defects - etc.

But "moral"? Who determines what is Moral?

Yes, getting rid of diseases and such would be good. But to alter an individuals personality? That negates the concept of free will if everybody is pre-programmed by the hand of other human beings.

This just stinks of eugenics to me. The Elite's wet dream come true.

Within weeks, I will be exposing the Nazi Eugenics Programme, operating within Australia, in the late 1960's early 1970's. Thankyou to all the sources who have contributed to exposing this evil agenda. Iam going to break it on ATS as soon as I have completed it in its entirety. I believe the information I have acquired is enought to bring down the Australian Government. For the detractors and COINTLPRO agents, who wish to derail this comment. Be warned. I have the Documented evidence.!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Annee
I'm all for physical genetic designer babies. You know - - inherited genetic defects - etc.

But "moral"? Who determines what is Moral?

Probably more docile personalities, iow sheeple.

Ironically that makes crappy soldiers, or sports ppl who need a ruthless edge.

Genetically engineering healthier babies absolutely is our moral obligation. But engineering personalities or ethics? I dont support that at all.