Home schooling ambush

Unless you home school your children, or you are a child being home schooled, a person is not qualified to judge this issue.

I homeschool my 5 year old daughter. She is in kendergarden, and she reads! I have a niece in public school (First grade) and they are still going over thier alphabet.

My wife and I split the teaching duties. I do math and science, with some spelling as well. My wife Teaches social studies, religon(all religons) and english.

My daughter understands the fundimentals of magnetism, and other rudimentry physics. She has swim lessons twice a week and field trips twice a month.

The argument that children need other children to grow and mature socially is true. What do you think they are doing when they go outside to play? My daughter has many friends around here that she interacts with DAILY.

Home schoolers are NOT terrorist, or zionist christians, hell, I dont even go to church! And Im a Democrate!

Ignorance is a rampant disorder on this thread that apparently has no treatment avalible.

I've got to give dibs to Kidfinger and any other parent that can home school their kids. With work and daily responsibilities it proves you put your kids first in life and have not only the intellect but the patience and abilities to do so. I have two boys and run a company and with my position it would take a lot of sacrifice on my part to homeschool my kids. Granted my ten year old has a 9th grade reading level and is advanced but I can admit I cannot replace the education he gets on a daily basis. I don't have the patience nor in my mind the personality to teach him all the various subjects. So my hats off to ya as you are truly an inspiration.

Thank you very much vincere7. I appreciate the kind words. I am rather lucky though. I go to school full time my self. My wife works nd right now, she wont let me work while Im in school. My grades are really good and she says she would like me to keep them that way. So I lucked out on the time schedual. My wife also doesnt have to leave for work untill about 9:30 am, so she teaches in the morning before she goes to work. I guess my wife is really the one that deserves the applause because without her willingness to do what she has done for me, we would not be able to homeschool our daughter to the educational degree that we do.Thanks agian.

I was very involved in my children's schooling when they were in elementary school. I would go to school with them and help out / volunteer. I saw the way they were being "taught" and was disappointed. They spent more time lining up, washing their hands, having recess, snack time, etc. So I decided I would time it. There was actually about 15 minutes out of each hour that they were in school that they were actually being instructed. I decided to take my children out of school. They were home schooled for several years until it was time for middle school. When they went back to public school they were tested and were way ahead of their peers. Two of them were placed in gifted and talented programs. This is not to say that all children are better off being home schooled. Just that in some cases it is beneficial.

Hey thats great man. I hope the best for you guys and hopefully after the schooling you'll be able to work in the field you choose, if there are any jobs available!

You guys are the perfect example of the hard working family trying to do the best for your family. I wish you success and blessings. I know a couple youngsters in university right now. One just got accepted into Boeing in Washington the other got a tenor in packaging engineering. So it looks like they both will make about $50,000 or more their first year which is great.

A recommendation I will give you as you guys are starting out here is form yourself a sole proprietorship. Call it whatever you want, 'Kidfinger Enterprise' whatever. With a sole proprietorship you can write off a loss forever, you can buy in bulk with your business name, get things wholesale and alot more I won't go into. You never have to claim a profit and it's great for tax write offs at the end of the year. The government gives it to you so you might as well use uncle sam like a CD.

Wasn't it Martin Luther King who said the reason it takes 12 years for our children to graduate is that's how long it takes to break their spirits? Maybe we should spend alot more time teaching our children whats possible and not whats impossible. Again I am not saying that home schooling is "better" in all cases.

Thanks for the best wishes.

One step ahead of you on the sole proprietorship. Its called "VIR Technologies" I use it for a side business in computer repair.

Excellent Kidfinger. I love it when people use their brains!

I was homeschooled all the way up to college. Never went to a regular school. And I'm very glad that I was.

I started reading when I was 4, and started using a computer around the same time. I started a graphic design business when I was 12 and it's still going strong. Started programming when I was 14, etc. I attribute most of this to the fact that I was able to finish my school in the morning and had the rest of the day to work on other things. And during the later years, I could pretty much pace myself how I wanted. I would finish two quarters worth of material in one quarter on occasion when I wanted to advance faster.

As for a social life, I didn't have much of one. I have pretty good friends now, but I'm more of a loner by nature anyway.

A little more on how the Government is trying to eventually abolish home-schooling in the United States.

Excerpts form Alex Jones www.searchinfowars.com...

Partial
TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH MR. CHRIS KLICKA
is the head Home School Legal Defense Association.

AJ: Now yesterday I read a news article, on air, part of it, seven pages
from World Net Daily it's on infowars.com we've had him on before. Home
School Legal Defense Association.
And Chris Klicka is the head of this organization I've had him on in the past, they're doing a wonderful job.

I first had him on a few months ago talking about California just said, "Well
home schooling is illegal unless you got a teaching certificate".
Well that's not true, but it's just color of law. They say "show up to the
pre-trial hearing". There's no subpoena, no indictment, no charges. And
then it's a contract law, it's the only real form of law... Commerce Law.

And they're operating out of this It's maritime jurisdiction they're
now admitting it. They just call you in and try to get you to forfeit your
children, sign over the agreements, they want CPS to visit the home.

They're doing this now in Illinois, Texas, many other areas. This case though is a substitute teacher who raises her daughter. She has the certificate in Illinois, which you don't even need.
CPS came and demanded into her house, then later squad cars came. And they're talking about charges. And they said "Show up at our pre-trial hearing without charges." It's all color of law.

The people don't know the law, even the basics, so the government is now
practicing and expanding and creating Nazi-like precedence. And again
joining us is Chris Klicka, and, uh, it's great to have you on the show

Chris, to break down this incredible development.
CK: It's amazing what has happened in Illinois. You have a superintendent in charge of three counties, who has taken it upon himself to exceed his
authority, send out squad cars to home schoolers.

There's 22 of them that have been contacted already in this three county area. One truant officer. We got one account from one of our members, home school families.
The truant officer said, "I can take your kids, away if I want to" and was scaring the mother.

AJ: Now that's pure terrorism, that is textbook terrorism
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[edit on 14/10/2004 by Sauron]

Originally posted by deeprivergal
Kids need social skills as much as they need book skills, and they don't get that by being home schooled.

Obviously you didn't bother reading what everyone has posted here.
The homeschoolers who posted here have listed multitudes of group
activities and sports their children do with other children and thus
get social time with other children. Go back and reread the posts.

I'll match the quality social time homeschoolers get, up against the
gang infested/drug infested/peer pressured/anti-christian/anti-
american environments that many (not all) children have to put
up with in public school that adults call 'social skill time'.

[edit on 10/14/2004 by FlyersFan]

I don't have kids, but I have had considerable contact with the public school system over the last six years and I can tell you that if I did have kids, I would do anything to keep them out of the government processing centers.

If you want fertile ground for conspiracy theories, you need go no further than the teachers' union.

[edit on 04/10/14 by GradyPhilpott]

With all the negative comments we've seen about homeschooling and all the opinions of those who don't "agree" with it, I have to say:

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS

If you don't like it, so what. It's still none of you business.

That's part of the problem with this society: too many people concerning themselves with what other people are doing. We homeschooled for 8 years and were always part of a large group where our kids could interact daily with other children. Now, because of economics, they are attending a charter school and have excelled academically as well as socially. If we could, however, we'd do it again. So, keep your concern to yourselves because it's just

NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

Home schooling is society's business, as is the education of all kids and beyond that it is a valid topic of discussion. The problem is there are a lot of people here who speak authoritatively here on subjects about which they have no knowledge or about which they choose to disseminate lies.

[edit on 04/10/14 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Nygdan

. . . But my real concern was having a person who was taught part time by a parent who was only partially taught by a public school teaching yet another generation of children and on and on. I mean, -thats- how it was done before public schools were around. Sure, there were well educated people in the past, but the vast majority of people back then weren't even literate, let alone having anything resembling a decent or even rudimentary education.

If you are correct, and people who are self-taught get "dumber" each generation, then where did public schools come from???

How did civilization EVER advance?

What about Homer, Abraham Lincoln, who was almost entirely self taught, yet could quote plutarch, Homer, Virgil and Shakespeare.

But perhaps he wasn't one of the "vast majority"

Well, lets talk about the "vast majority" at the time of the nation's founding

(A Constitutional law professor at the University of Texas School of Law pointed this out to me in the early 1990's.)

The "Federalist Papers" were edited by Alexander Hamilton. His audience, and the people who wrote letters to him were home educated farmers, who basically worked the fields by hand during daylight hours. They'd usually read from The federalist papers for half an hour or so, then from a chapter of the Bible before bed.

Obviously, Hamilton's audience could understand him well enough.

The professor in question told me he had originally assigned lengthy readings from the Federalist Papers, but that the average law student couldn't understand them! He had suggested they outline the complicated sentences, etc. but finally dropped them from the curriculm, as being beyond the abilities of the students.

So (this was back in '92) he was assigning texts that talked "about" the FP, rather than having the students read the papers themselves.

There is a big difference between educated and intelligent.

I want my kids to be both.

I am afraid that if I leave it in the hands of strangers, the kids will end up neither.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

The NEA is the last big union left in the united states. Ask any teacher in texas, a "right to work" (anti-union) state where most people are now republicans. You simply cannot get a job in a public school without being a member of the NEA.

Could you give me some documentation on this?

Both my husband and I taught in Texas, and I know some teachers here and I've never heard this.

You also won't get any retirement benefits, even if you do manage to find a job.

In addition to the Teacher Retirement System (been around forever) www.trs.state.tx.us... teachers also pay into social security as government employees ( www.ssa.gov... ) and get SS benefits as well as TRS.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by verfed
Why is the federal government in charge of schooling the kids?

Its isn't.

Where in the constitution does it give the feds the authority to do that?

It doesn't.

skipshipman
When home schooled kids win spelling bees, and public schooled kids still cannot read because if no one can "be left behind," then no one can "get ahead," then there is propaganda such as that unfair portraiture.

Undoubtedly some homeschoolers are better educated then public and even private school children. However, its the sheerest absurdity to think that the entire country would be better off without a public school system

anti-federalist
They are indoctrinated with revisionary history, they can barely read, write or add simple math equations.

And things would be a thousand times worse if the average parent was responsbile soley for their child's education. You've seen some of the people out there who have kids, heck, they're the ones who made the rules that you are complaining about and having trouble with. Can you even imagine for a moment what would happen if there were no more public schools? If generation upon generation of child was taught soley at home, being taught be parents who were taught at home who were taught at home, etc etc.?

mahree
1. To begin with, the family has to sacrifice. Usually it is the mother who stays home. So therefore the family must live on one income

And that is probably the number one reason why it will never be widley applicable.

Well lets just look back in history before public schooling became mandatory...lets look at some masterful legends.

Benjamin Franklin -- born 1706, Boston, Massachusetts; died 1790
drafter and signer of Declaration of Independence, member Constitutional Convention.

Franklin spent two years of school, from age eight to age ten.

George Washington -- born 1732; died 1799
chairman of the Constitutional Convention, first president of the United States

George Washington, by contrast to Benjamin Franklin, went to one-room "Latin schools," which were tutorial sessions with a single teacher. Like Franklin, he learned to read at home before attending any school. Washington got in only two years of Latin school because his father died and the family couldn't afford to keep sending him.

Thomas Jefferson -- born 1743, Goochland, Virginia; died 1826
author and signer of Declaration of Independence, third president of the United States

Jefferson got more schooling than the other three presidents depicted on Mount Rushmore combined, first at home with a hired tutor in Tuckahoe

He was convinced from his extensive observations of society in America and in Europe that parental control was vital for schools:

Is it a right or a duty in society to take care of their infant members in opposition to the will of the parent? . . . It is better to tolerate the rare instance of a parent refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings and ideas by the forcible asportation and education of the infant against the will of the father. What is proposed here is to remove the objection of expense, by offering education gratis . . . Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Cabell, September 9, 1817, reprinted in Writings of Thomas Jefferson (Memorial Edition 1904) volume 17, page 423.

Alexander Hamilton -- born 1755, ; died 1804
member Constitutional Convention, first secretary of the treasury

Alexander Hamilton is one of the more striking examples of a largely self-educated American founder who nonetheless was admired for his learning.

Abraham Lincoln -- born 1809, near Hodgenville (Hardin County), Kentucky; died 1865, Washington, D.C.
United States representative, sixteenth president of the United States

Everyone knows that Abraham Lincoln went to very little school and self-educated by reading many books borrowed from neighbors.

Theodore Roosevelt (b. 1858 d. 1919)
president of the United States, winner of the 1906 Nobel Prize for world peace

Theodore Roosevelt was homeschooled

Albert Einstein: Einstein never liked learning in a classroom and skipped class a lot so he could teach himself in solitude.

Mark Twain a.k.a Samuel Clemens More than anything in the world Sam detested school, and he made any excuse to get out of going. It is hard to say just why, unless it was the restraint and the long hours of confinement.

At age eleven Sam's father dies leaving the family penniless--he quit school and became a printer's apprentice.

I too, hated school and took every opportunity to skip it as well. School bored me-- I took it upon myself to read. I read anything and everything--from Newspapers, manuals, comic books, novels, history/world history. I never stop learning--that is the key.

Interesting the government trying to suppress free thought. Really say it ain�t so Joe. Really the difference between home and public school would be that; one probably is motivated by the student, and the other by alternate reasons.

I�ve been close enough to about eight teachers to have conversations with them as to their personal reasons for choosing a career in education. Most of the teachers that I talked with had time off as a fairly important reason for their career choice�.not a very comforting reason. Of those only about three still teach and I�ve watched two of them teach and there motivation sucked. Most of the engineering students that I knew to leave the program went to the education college to get their degrees. And so I spent quite a bit of time in the educations and mathematics departments and was just appalled when I realized which students overlapped�..and one of them told me it was his goal to become a high school math teacher�.he thought he was going to make algebra easier to learn.....he failed college algebra twice.

Contrarily, four relatives of mine have been home-schooled. Not one of those relatives I thought had a parent that could teach them�.all four have since gone onto college and from the start were near the top of their respective classes. Personally, my wife stayed home to teach our twins for a year as they were floundering in school�.they are now doing well, in private schools. There is not one home schooled family that I have met that was religious, or failed to give their respective charges a better education than that provided by the public gang system.


[edit on 14-10-2004 by keholmes]

Originally posted by Mickey Martian
If you don't like it, so what. It's still none of you business.

I don' t think anyone is talking about abolishing homeschooling at all. If a parent wants to take their kid out of the public system and can demonstrate that the kid will be educated, whether at a parochial or home school, all well and good enough.

How did civilization EVER advance?

It advanced by intelligent well educated people, who were in the minority and had to struggle against lots of other uneducated stupid people.

His audience, and the people who wrote letters to him were home educated farmers, who basically worked the fields by hand during daylight hours. They'd usually read from The federalist papers for half an hour or so, then from a chapter of the Bible before bed.

I am actually starting to doubt the efficacy of homeschooling from reading your post. I have not stated that homeschooling is a bad thing or that it can't produce well educated people. However as a method for society at large to educate its population its not as effective as mandatory public schooling (the system we have now, wherein people can opt out). It doesn't matter how many intelligent people homeschooling produced in teh past. THe vast majority of the public cannot homeschool their children. I don't care if the farmer-scholars of the early republic were able to eek out some education. The average person living in today's society simply cannot take time off from work to educate their chilren, and the average farmer-student from 200 years ago wouldn't have been able to operate the devices and technology that our modern society is dependant on.

anti-federalist
lets look at some masterful legends.

No, lets not. They are not relevant to the situation. We are talking about the american public at large. They are -barely- educated as is. Letting them not go to school and expecting their parents to teach them and thinking that they'll be well educated is entirely and completely absurd.

Letting them not go to school and expecting their parents to teach them and thinking that they'll be well educated is entirely and completely absurd.

I am VERY offended by this remark. You were probably a product of the same public school system that is in question. Take a look at your pessimistic views. Typical from someone with mass education. My daughter is BETTER educated than any public school child. And that is NOT absurd!

[edit on 10/15/04 by Kidfinger]