Chinese secret delegation enter Iran for getting RQ-170 drone

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2012-08-15 (China Military News from China-defense-mashup) — The latest information unleashed from Chinese Internet says Chinese expert group has come into Iran to research U.S. RQ-170 drone. They have contact with the UAV for twice, the first “contact” lasted about 40 minutes, and the second about four hours and they checked the internal advices. The two sides are still negotiating the details of the cooperation on reverse engineering of RQ-170.

Only 4 days After the RQ-170′s “Capture on 4 December 2011″, Chinese Expert Group had arrived in Iran, rather than the Iran’s defense minister Ahmad Karimpour says Tehran has received requests for Moscow and Beijing on April 19 2012.

The expert group composed by 17 people, of which a total of 11 are technical experts from PLA General Staff, General Armament Department and AVIC, as well as others from Chinese foreign affairs ministry and diplomats in Iran.

This is curious on a number of levels.

1. The drone was genuine,
2. It really was a huge loss for the US
3. It really was a coup for Iran
4. China is taking the US seriously
5. Russia also wants a piece
6. Russia, China and Iran are co-operating militarily

The piece starts with "rumours on the chinese internet" which is strange, given the precise details revealed. The website is genuine though, and has been reported in western military news too.

theaviationist.com

Early on we heard interesting analyses by US experts who denied any value in the capture:

www.npr.org... ay-have-limited-benefit-for-iran
"Even if the Iranians have possession of a drone, that doesn't mean they will be able to exploit its technology," says Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute, a Virginia-based military and security think tank.

And of course asked for it back:

www.npr.... org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/12/143597134/u-s-asks-iran-for-spy-drones-return-iran-says-its-extracting-secret-data
"We have asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond," President Barack Obama said during a White House news conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Monday.

www.wired.com...
Moreover, the software includes classified anti-tamper measures. At least, it’s supposed to, according to the Boeing engineer. “Dumbest thing in the world if it didn’t.”

In the big picture it doesn't matter much, but it's a heck of a story.

I love how they keep insisting and absolutely declaring that Iran can't do a thing with it..and it has all kinds of anti-tamper measures and security and blah blah.

The day BEFORE they literally stoie it from us, mid-air, I am sure these same people would have insisted there were security systems and countless measures to prevent THAT from happening too!

I'm not surprised China is going on a field trip to see the latest American toy. I'm surprised this wasn't on it's way to China within a week of being stolen from us. Iran obviously has some standing in the internal relations with China and Russia. I can't imagine a client state in past years being allowed to keep something of such importance from either of those powers.

This is all very interesting to watch and how the various players act as it all works out.

why should they give it back? they sent illegaly a drone to another country and somehow still the Iranians are the bad guyz here? I am not saying Ahmedinejad is a good guy... no way... but compared to the USA? only laughter comes...

who the hell do the USA goverment think they are? seriously...

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Ha..funny seeing that China made all the parts I'm sure those rascals can break some of the information down..you can delete pictures from your cellphone but oddly enough with the right software you recover a great deal of information...yeah the government should be ahead of their time but we can recall the UK hacker that got into nasa for the alien pics...all those secured computers he got into all had the same generic password..we suck at security....

We may suck at security ......but
Aparently, we excell at stupidity..................

Originally posted by Alda1981
why should they give it back? they sent illegaly a drone to another country and somehow still the Iranians are the bad guyz here? I am not saying Ahmedinejad is a good guy... no way... but compared to the USA? only laughter comes...

who the hell do the USA goverment think they are? seriously...

By Iran's own admission they took control of it illegally and flew it into Iranian airspace, it was not in Iran when they took control of it. There is evidence that it did not go down in Iran either, and a team extracted it to Iran. Why care about facts though.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

By Iran's own admission they took control of it illegally and flew it into Iranian airspace, it was not in Iran when they took control of it. There is evidence that it did not go down in Iran either, and a team extracted it to Iran. Why care about facts though.

You'll have to provide evidence of that. I've seen nothing that suggested anything other than an illegal entering of Iranian airspace by US troops.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

By Iran's own admission they took control of it illegally and flew it into Iranian airspace, it was not in Iran when they took control of it. There is evidence that it did not go down in Iran either, and a team extracted it to Iran. Why care about facts though.

You'll have to provide evidence of that. I've seen nothing that suggested anything other than an illegal entering of Iranian airspace by US troops.

With pleasure. You have seen what you have wanted to see, that which demonizes the US and have turned a blind eye to facts. Deny Ignorance my friend.

the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.

news.yahoo.com...

The Iranians were the ones who made the drone fly into Iranian airspace. The drone was operating in Afghanistan. This is well known by anyone who is interested in the subject, can read, and isn't wilfully ignorant.

Originally posted by Alda1981

who the hell do the USA goverment think they are? seriously...

The US thinks they are in charge......and they are not.....its just no one told them yet....its ok, they'll find out soon enough.

Oh noes look what we let fall into enemy hands by accident!

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You didn't back up your statement. Yes the drone was "purloined", the question is where was it at the time?

That's a nice article

www.telegraph.co.uk

Iran's foreign ministry was similarly dismissive of Mr Obama's request.

"It seems he (Mr Obama) has forgotten that Iran's airspace was violated, spying operations were undertaken, international laws were violated and that Iran's internal affairs were interfered with," ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said on Tuesday in his regular media briefing, according to Fars news agency.

"Instead of an official apology and admitting to this violation, they are making this request," he said.

Iranian officials claimed a Revolutionary Guards cyber-warfare unit had hacked the aircraft's controls and brought it down.

US officials have admitted anonymously that the drone was on a CIA spying mission over the Islamic republic when it was captured.

Now if the US had kept it's toys out of sovereign airspace belonging to someone else, this wouldn't have happened.

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Every so often the children will lose a toy on the play ground, what do you expect? Then they throw a tantrum when they can't find it.....

I hope Russia and China realize that they are reverse engineering 12 year old technology...still an upside from what they have...none the less....12 year old technology.

Probably why the US hasn't pushed the issue to extract the drone when it fell from grace.

Originally posted by Kastogere
I hope Russia and China realize that they are reverse engineering 12 year old technology...

Probably why the US hasn't pushed the issue to extract the drone when it fell from grace.

A personal request from Obama within days?

Please provide evidence for 12 year old tech. This was a new generation drone. Those lies were debunked back then already, and now China would NOT be interest in "12 year old tech".

You are so ignorant it's funny. Curious that you're so opinionated too

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There is no evidence it was in Iranian airspace. Iran using that as an excuse to not return it is meaningless. We can play Devil's Advocate though. Iran is not allowing inspections of their facilities to determine their nuclear agenda. That alone is justification for ensuring Iran does not gain nuclear weapons capabilities by using drones. However, there is no indication this drone was flown into Iran by the US, and we have an Iranian engineer claiming they guided it into Iran.

If Obama was not such a weak President I doubt we would be in this predicament. China and Russia have walked all over him the past 4 years. I favor diplomacy, but Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

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No, it was not new tech......sorry...what the public is told is new tech is not new by any standard....even the lasers they started outfitting on the new gen carriers. and aegis destroyers..thats old tech too.

The cheap crap slapped in those drones are at least based off of 10 year old military tech that was still under development from DARPA. I know because the flight crew i worked with a decade ago used the same in a beta tech for what was then considered next gen flight control.

Must be why Im so opinionated.....and I don't do smarmy....if you want me to use a little effort to find a source....your gonna have to say please nicely.....and then maybe I might consider it. But, since most of that data is still burried out of the public eye...you may just have to take my word for it.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Originally posted by Kastogere
I hope Russia and China realize that they are reverse engineering 12 year old technology...

Probably why the US hasn't pushed the issue to extract the drone when it fell from grace.

A personal request from Obama within days?

Please provide evidence for 12 year old tech. This was a new generation drone. Those lies were debunked back then already, and now China would NOT be interest in "12 year old tech".

You are so ignorant it's funny. Curious that you're so opinionated too

China is just now developing Tomahawk missiles, 80's Tech. This drone was not 12 year old tech, it's 16 year old tech I believe. I'll show sources, although I don't expect you to believe facts if it interferes with your hatred.

It is believed that the Sentinel (introduced in 2007) is a "cost-effective" UAV system built from available conventional aircraft/UAV systems with "stealth-friendly" qualities built into the design.

Two key points in proving this is not cutting edge technology. Cutting edge is never cost effective. This is built from available craft, by its very definition cutting edge can never be from already available craft.

In many respects, the Sentinel looks much like a smaller scale version of the Northrop B-2 Spirit stealth bomber - particularly from the top and side profiles.

The B-2 was available in the 90s, just like the RQ-3, which is the origin of the RQ-170.

www.militaryfactory.com...

The design lacks several elements common to stealth engineering, namely notched landing gear doors and sharp leading edges. It has a curved wing planform, and the exhaust is not shielded by the wing. Aviation Week postulates that these elements suggest the designers have avoided 'highly sensitive technologies' due to the near certainty of eventual operational loss inherent with a single engine design and a desire to avoid the risk of compromising leading edge technology.

Fulghum, David A.; Bill Sweetman (14 December 2009). "Stealth over Afghanistan". Aviation Week (McGraw-Hill): 26–27.

avoided using, “’highly sensitive technologies due to the near certainty of eventual operational loss inherent with a single engine design and a desire to avoid the risk of compromising leading edge technology”.

www.militaryfactory.com...

“It was never a matter of whether we were going to lose one but when,”

www.washingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by harryhaller

Originally posted by Kastogere

A personal request from Obama within days?

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Believe me when I say..if they really wanted it back bad enough....they would have gone to get it the moment it was downed...regardless of where it fell with the exception of a nuke bearing nation save Russia and China, maybe India....

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
There is no evidence it was in Iranian airspace. Iran using that as an excuse to not return it is meaningless.

There you go again with unsubstantiated claims. If it were not in Iranian airspace, they could not have gotten control, and if it were outside Iranian airspace the US would have howled. The US were caught breaking international law. Please comment on that before anything else.

Nuclear agenda ... every nation's right to mind their own business?

The US is the nuke happy psychopath, nobody else.



You must really believe these lies you're spreading here?

Originally posted by Kastogere
Believe me when I say..if they really wanted it back bad enough....they would have gone to get it the moment it was downed...

Why should i "believe you"? Don't be daft. You have zero credibility.

Oh, you're just another pompom girl for US military prowess?
Not worth responding too then.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Interesting, i can't say you didn't do your homework.

But clearly you're not paying attention here. The US lied, about it existing, it crashing, it being stolen, it being stolen while they were driving it, it being valuable ... etc. You're just repeating the SAME old lies.
Next you'll try telling us it was a present full of false information?

You would be right, if not for the fact that 5 months down the line Russia and China disagree with your estimation of it's value. That single act alone rubbishes any "neutral" claims you may make. It really is genuine and valuable, irrespective of your or my opinion.