Calling All Veteran Service Members Of ATS.

A thought just popped into my head concerning this issue;

“The first rule of assassination is to kill the assassin after they are done with the job.”

These findings and reports by the Gov’t could be just a subtler way of doing this.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
A thought just popped into my head concerning this issue;

“The first rule of assassination is to kill the assassin after they are done with the job.”

These findings and reports by the Gov’t could be just a subtler way of doing this.

Well, those of us who went downrange... who worked intel... yeah, there's some things that probably should never see the light of day. I could understand how certain circles in the US government would want us minimized... either literally or figuratively.

Besides... we know all of the weak spots as well! Or at least we know where the gaps are to hide if the defecation hits the rotating oscillator.

Originally posted by Britguy
reply to post by usmc0311

 

We are being vilified by the government we once swore to serve.

Do US service members swear to serve the government?

Governments come and go. What doesn't change is simple right or wrong and being true to yourself and thinking for yourself. Accepting the word of the government as right and doing their bidding is the reason we are all in this mess we are in, globally.

Blindly following the orders of government, because you have been told you are subordinate to them, is always going to end in a mess, simply because those in government do not care one jot about you. You are all simply expendable pawns to do their bidding and the concept that government serves the people is long gone.
Whining because that government now sees you as a threat is your own fault for allowing them to do so, and following their edicts without question, even fighting and killing people overseas is for them and their corporate and banking masters, and in no way can it be proven to in any way benefit the country and your fellow man.

In short, you acted as a government enforcer and now feel bitter, not about having been duped into fighting for them, but being seen as a threat now you are out. As long as people keep up this ridiculous idea that serving in the military means you are serving your country, then nothing will change.

edit on 16-8-2012 by Britguy because: (no reason given)

Actually knowing what I know now I am quite bitter about my service. I am bitter that they used 911 as a reason to start a war on terror and send us to countries where we don't belong. I signed up to serve my counrty and that is not what ended up happening. And now to top it off they want to label us domestic terrorists. I have every reason to be bitter about this just as you have every reason for your opinion. I am not going to get into the whole following orders thing as that has been hashed out enough on this site.

You are very correct when you say that it will not change when the military thinks they are serving there country. I've got news for you. Everyday more and more both active and veteran service members are waking up to the true nature of things and eventually it will reach it's breaking point. When and how only time will tell.

I don't know about the rest of you, but, I didn't take an oath to protect the Government. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, big difference. There was also a little part there about "enemies foreign and DOMESTIC". I always wondered about the "domestic" part. I don't anymore.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
I don't know about the rest of you, but, I didn't take an oath to protect the Government. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, big difference. There was also a little part there about "enemies foreign and DOMESTIC". I always wondered about the "domestic" part. I don't anymore.

I could have worded that differently. What I ment was I thought I was serving the people/constitution by way of working for the government and now they are crapping on us. I to swore that same oath and I intend to keep it until the day I die.

The govt will always hate us.

The sooner you all realize it, the sooner it will be for the healing process to start.

They trained us for one specific thing, and they see us as a threat.

Why? Because they are afraid the dog is going to bite the owner.


They need fall guys and we are the perfect ones.

Well if I did nothing else in life, all my experience here of reading a gazillion articles and understanding what the government is REALLY doing, just may have saved the life of my nephew. He was hellbent to sign up for the military as he is just turning 18. Well that was until I discussed some things with him, and sent him some links to SHOW him not only that he would be used as a mindless pawn to do the bidding of very bad people, but that once he was out the situation would even be worse for him as a veteran.

And I am also happy to report that not only did it completely change his perception of the military, but he has gone on to dissuade several of his friends from doing the same. Now I talk to him, and he thanks me for that every time I see him. Yes, we CAN change the minds of youth, with cold, hard facts. He was particularly perturbed at the congressional report on the The Gulf of Tonkin, as well as Operation Northwoods. He just couldn't believe the government would do something like that. When I sent him links on the Iran contra hearings, that was all she wrote.



So yes, I did make a difference in one of my own family's lives on the issue! And it feels good.


Oops, sorry bout that, I could have more directly addressed the topic... .... .... ......................................

No problem, I'll send him the links to the DHS demonizing vets as terrorists, too.

reply to post by Dreine


Yep, there are those who definitely want Vets minimalized.

Like you I don’t advertise my service publicly, though I do fly the flag. I don't even have the "I love me" wall. Just a trunk.

But people seem to know after a period. Maybe it’s because I always want to take charge in stressful situations at work, though I try to fight that urge and stay in my lane. But sometimes it leaks through.

Then again, it could also be my foul mouth and sense of dark humor.

For all the Vets out there who can't find work, look into the logistical sector. High pace enviroment and pays well for the most part.

The hours suck and it's hard work, but hey, you served so you should be used to that by now.

Ok all, I am not a veteran, but my dad is and many family members are. I would like to spread the word about this at all my local VFW posts, however where can I find actually reference material that does not encompass someone opinion in a blog. Are there actually GOV. docs that I can refer to? I would like to get all the memebers together at each VFW and present my finding and begin an education endeavor to the older VFW members and their famalies. I would like to start this right away, and I will for sure give you all updates. I will also do my own research in obtaining the needed data, but any help would be appreciated.

Originally posted by imagineering
Ok all, I am not a veteran, but my dad is and many family members are. I would like to spread the word about this at all my local VFW posts, however where can I find actually reference material that does not encompass someone opinion in a blog. Are there actually GOV. docs that I can refer to? I would like to get all the memebers together at each VFW and present my finding and begin an education endeavor to the older VFW members and their famalies. I would like to start this right away, and I will for sure give you all updates. I will also do my own research in obtaining the needed data, but any help would be appreciated.

Here is a good place to start. It is the DHS report about all of this. I highlighted just a small portion for you.

DHS Assesment

The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of
military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities
could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists
capable of carrying out violent attacks.

Originally posted by usmc0311

Originally posted by imagineering
Ok all, I am not a veteran, but my dad is and many family members are. I would like to spread the word about this at all my local VFW posts, however where can I find actually reference material that does not encompass someone opinion in a blog. Are there actually GOV. docs that I can refer to? I would like to get all the memebers together at each VFW and present my finding and begin an education endeavor to the older VFW members and their famalies. I would like to start this right away, and I will for sure give you all updates. I will also do my own research in obtaining the needed data, but any help would be appreciated.

Here is a good place to start. It is the DHS report about all of this. I highlighted just a small portion for you.

DHS Assesment

The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of
military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities
could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists
capable of carrying out violent attacks.

Excellent! Thank you!

reply to post by usmc0311


A friend of mine in Utah is starting his own business, that of a Veterans Advocate. He's a 30 year vet who has had a trying time at the VA for ever! So he's starting an advocacy group to help vets because the government can't or won't.

We are all spread out here, but why not start a vet advocacy group where you and everyone lives?

People (vets) will be beating a path to your door in no time!

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by usmc0311

 

A friend of mine in Utah is starting his own business, that of a Veterans Advocate. He's a 30 year vet who has had a trying time at the VA for ever! So he's starting an advocacy group to help vets because the government can't or won't.

We are all spread out here, but why not start a vet advocacy group where you and everyone lives?

People (vets) will be beating a path to your door in no time!

Never thought of Veterans Advocate as a business. Whodathunk? Obviously, your friend did and I wish him the best of luck.

I applied for a Veterans Advocate position with the County recently and was passed over. Hmmm, Unit Administrator for a Reserve unit for six years, Training NCO of that same unit for four years. Thirty plus years of service, most active. Multiple deployments.

But they hired a girl who received a discharge due to her pregnacy, less than a couple of years of service and has not worked within the system since. I feel for the Vets of the County as she is not to bright and takes everything personnal.

A Vet does not want to hear, "Cut me some slack! I'm still learning this job!"

At this point, all I want to do is raise Dawgs to help others. For my own sanity as well.

At my VFW, I'll hear the older Vets say, "N-word this and N-word that", but in the same breath they will say they will vote for Obama because he is a Democrat.

I can't wait to get out of this city, preferably, this state.

The USMC0311's goal may just be a ring to far to reach.

reply to post by TDawgRex
Larry, my friend, is working outside the system. He's gotten the run-around so much that he doesn't put any trust in any agency inside.

It's funny. There was a time when being a vet got your foot in the door for interviews, got you ahead for home loans, car loans.

Now?

We're social pariahs.

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I've always kind of been the oddball, so I'm used to it.

Maybe that gives me a leg up?

reply to post by usmc0311


Great topic!
I'm not a veteran. But was instilled a good lot by a mean Air Force Staff Sergeant...I love you Dad, RIP.

If it means anything, it pisses me off that the TSA doesn't hire veterans to become sky marshals-which in my mind will eliminate molestation of sense of security, and personal property. Why not put some security on each and every plane? Not enough qualified veterans? HOG-WASH!

It's a selfless conviction to become a SOLD-ier. Adopted only to be abandoned...
I won't abandon you's.

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I can't speak to the training of those before my time, hoowever in my time we were taught " in the U.S. Army we are ALL green!" No matter you background, you are always happy to see your battlr buddies reguardless of their background when the fur starts flying.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

I can't speak to the training of those before my time, hoowever in my time we were taught " in the U.S. Army we are ALL green!" No matter you background, you are always happy to see your battlr buddies reguardless of their background when the fur starts flying.

Many Vets forget that. I never gave a rats butt about political affilations until I got out.

And have never cared about someones skin color either. The actions define the individual.

Oddly enough, I was just invited to speak at a American Legion and this wil be topic I have chosen.

Talk about timing.

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I don't suppose mr. kissinger said that while drinking in a bar on friday night ..a bar
frequented by angry and easily aggitated veterans of foreign wars. ..now who has the guts?
I think any of us would resent being labeled unfairly especially when it's being spoon fed to the public via
any media group. It's bait for whichever fish may want to swallow it without question. Some aggitators and
some aggitating words may be plants but yes when it comes to preventing some insane way of dealing with those deemed domestic terrorists then someone has to speak up and talk back before that occurs.

reply to post by TDawgRex


Once we all remeber our training, and remeber we are all green on the outside, we are as unbreakable as the GREEK PHALANX of legend. One solid unbreakable wall of shields, with more thorns than a porcupine, once we lock shields we just march forward in lock step singing our favorite cadences until we see our enemies driven before us!
"Oh hey oh hey Artillery..................................King of battle follow me.................................."
" around the block she towed a 19er8, and if you asked her why the hell she towed it, shed get you grid coordinates and blow your ass away! FAR away, FAR away, shed get your grid coordinates and blow your ass away!"

Ah memories......good times good times!

FIRE MISSION!!!!!!!!!! Grid 47269er 3410. Quadrant 571 deflection 4470 range 5638 meters. Charge 5 green bag. Round HE. Fuze PD. At my command stanby...........................FIRE!!!!!!

That's right fellas, I lika maka big guns go boom!!!!!!!

Followed by my battalion commander at 0dark thirty saying. "Ah......just f*cking glorious, I love the smell of wolf's p*ssy this time of the day!!!!"