Something is definitely up. They DID take down those Mars Curiosity thumbnails. Proof:

Jesus, how is this thread still raging on? An intern uploaded a couple of images to the wrong location or didn't link the thumbnail to a full res or whatever, how does this turn into some conspiracy?

Even if there were no full res images, if they wanted to hide something, they wouldn't have shown the thumbnail. Assuming there has been some major conspiracy to hide secrets ongoing for however many decades, these people aren't idiots. The smoking gun will not be a broken hyperlink on a thumbnail or a picture uploaded to the wrong folder on a web server. Sorry but I'll believe many things but this is ridiculous now. Good work on the panorama though.

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Guess what. Files are STILL missing from the NASA web site. They were never added. I had to manually retrieve the MARDI HD images by tweaking the URL.

So even on a non-conspiracy site that I'm a part of, we're wondering why they're not on the public page but hidden on the server.

Why is it that I have almost 1,000 high resolution MARDI images and only about 400 or so are showing?

Plus - in regards to the panoramic I made - NASA STILL has not released theirs and I have all of the files. Image number 79 is STILL not on the site. You have to work to get the files.

Answer that for me. NASA has not released an HD MARDI video nor a complete panoramic of SOL 3. I did. Go to the NASA site and see for yourself!!!

And thanks for the compliment. That was my only intention - to get these images out TO THE PUBLIC.

Maybe it's NOT a conspiracy, but one thing is a fact - NASA is taking their time releasing images that the public wants to see so badly. That's where I came in. I mean - I got 25,000 views in 2 days because I compiled this video. Go look at the statistics. This is the only way you will all see this until NASA does it - because of people like myself and my friends on Unmanned Spaceflight.com. People WANT to see this. Look at the comments:



And I still have an updated version with more frames - not available ANYWHERE on the visible site.

And if someone says, "Well, they're just waiting for all of the images to arrive." Well:

SOL 3 has BEEN there, but they have not released an updated panoramic. All they have is the one they made a week and a half ago and it was very sloppily done. And like I said - the MARDI images are there, but no video. The people want to see this stuff.

Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by Kuroodo

Originally posted by impaired
But the image is on Wikipedia. How? Why?
If they were hiding something, then why is the missing thumbnail there and why was it removed in the first place

Maybe they edited the picture to hide things. Then they told wiki to use that one instead of the original.

Why would they even release pictures that had anything in them? Seems a little shoddy to me. If I took pictures that had something incriminating, do you think I would even show them?

Yeah, their content fact checker was not on the job that day, that's why they released the pictures instead of keeping them locked up and away from public. Oh the OP caught what all the scientists at NASA missed.

Dude! Open your eyes! Read the post right before this!

The images are NOT visible on ANY NASA/JPL page (the missing ones). I have to manually retrieve them by fudging with the URL's and right-clicking "Save As".

So you tell me. You seem to know.

And like I said - read the above post of mine. Then come back at me. And it better be good.

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NASA is taking their time releasing images that the public wants to see so badly.

Speak for yourself. More pictures of the same landscape can wait. I want to see Curiosity get movin'!

Originally posted by Phage
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NASA is taking their time releasing images that the public wants to see so badly.

Speak for yourself. More pictures of the same landscape can wait. I want to see Curiosity get movin'!

And so do I, of course. The landscape you're talking about wasn't complete and still isn't. People like myself and the ones on Unmanned Spaceflight.com put the finished ones together. But NASA doesn't. And the images are STILL missing from the website - you have to manipulate URL's. Are you hearing me? Go find me image #79 from SOL 3 (Full Resolution). It's not there.

But I have it. And the panorama doesn't take that long. I had it complete almost a week ago.

Once again, stop dodging the question. Why?

And speak for myself? The latest MARDI video I made has 26,000 comments and counting - in two days with an overwhelming amount of likes and comments. Did you even see it? And if you did, do you even appreciate the hard work we are doing? Will I get an acknowledgement on that, Phage?

I'd like to hear your answer. Don't dodge. And don't get defensive - I'm not being disrespectful. I'm engaging you.

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Once again, stop dodging the question. Why?

Once again, how the hell should I know? But I don't understand why you think NASA should be at your beck and call.

And speak for myself?

Yes. I'm part of the public and I really don't care if an image or two is "missing" so don't speak for me.

The latest MARDI video I made has 26,000 comments and counting - in two days with an overwhelming amount of likes and comments. Did you even see it? And if you did, do you even appreciate the hard work we are doing? Will I get an acknowledgement on that, Phage?

Yes, how very nice for you. Here, have a fish. But don't toot your horn at me.

Originally posted by Phage
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Once again, stop dodging the question. Why?

Once again, how the hell should I know? But I don't understand why you think NASA should be at your beck and call.

And there you are seemingly on the defensive again. "How the hell should I know?". What is that? What about, "I don't know, Impaired. Since I am resourceful, I will try to find the answer for you and everyone since I like to find the truth, being the skeptic I am". (Was I off on that?)

At MY beck and call? I see it now. You do have some things distorted. See, I never said I wanted NASA at MY beck and call, did I? I said I want them there for the general public - like they (the public) obviously like and want. This isn't about ME. I made the panorama out of curiosity because it wasn't done and I saw the images were there, but just not accessible. So, being the investigator that you are and being the established person here on ATS, why don't you be courteous and respectful and FIND an answer. That's why you're here on ATS, right? Saying "How the hell do I know?" in that way is just making you look bad. Not me. The evidence is here and you will see in a few seconds when you get to the bottom of the post.
You speak for yourself. Just because you want to wait on data (which still has to be crunched by NASA), doesn't mean THAT many people feel the same. Obviously they don't.

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Originally posted by Impaired And speak for myself?

Originally posted by Phage
Yes. I'm part of the public and I really don't care if an image or two is "missing" so don't speak for me.

Of course you're entitled to that, but like I said - being that you like to debunk things, stop getting angry and find an answer if this bothers you so much (it obviously does because you're still in this thread to debunk - which is fine! I want to know! Go find out! You can do it!). Put your money where your mouth is.
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Originally posted by Impaired The latest MARDI video I made has 26,000 comments and counting - in two days with an overwhelming amount of likes and comments. Did you even see it? And if you did, do you even appreciate the hard work we are doing? Will I get an acknowledgement on that, Phage?

Originally posted by Phage
Yes, how very nice for you. Here, have a fish. But don't toot your horn at me.

Unappreciative. Once again - that's your deal. But once again. It's not about me. It's about us folks who are WORKING TOGETHER at Unmanned Spaceflight.com who are actually trying to figure this out right now. When a senior member who has been there since 2003 says, "Whoa! How did you get those images?" - what does that mean? That's a very strict and tightly moderated site where we all work together. I don't see YOU working. Do your job here or simply leave the thread. Find out what's going on, ok?

And here is some evidence, Phage:

curiositymsl.com...

That is a list of the currently available images right as they come in. This is before they are indexed. And how long of a wait just before they are even indexed - if some of them even are - unlike image 79 from SOL 3

Used Wget to obtain that list.

So what now?

So, to make a long story short - Unmanned Spaceflight.com is a technical website that FORBIDS conspiracies.

Because of the folks IN THIS VERY THREAD, we found a way to get the hidden images.

I told the folks at USF.com about this. They were surprised.

From there, we finished our work because of that. We used Wget to see what was up.

So this thread definitely does not belong in the Gray area anymore because I have provided way more than enough evidence. And I am tired of repeating myself and getting nowhere with some folks. We work together - or not at all.

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And there you are seemingly on the defensive again. "How the hell should I know?". What is that? What about, "I don't know, Impaired. Since I am resourceful, I will try to find the answer for you and everyone since I like to find the truth, being the skeptic I am". (Was I off on that?)

Ok, let me rephrase that. I don't understand why you think I should be at your beck and call. Like I said, I don't care that a few images are "missing". But I understand that the people at JPL are very busy with getting their wonderful machine up and running and making sure it's doing so properly.

Do your job here or simply leave the thread. Find out what's going on, ok?

My job? What?
But sorry, it doesn't work that way. You don't control who posts. Why don't you find out what's going on if you are so concerned about it? Why do you think I would be any better at it than you?

When a senior member who has been there since 2003 says, "Whoa! How did you get those images?" - what does that mean?

I don't know, maybe it means he didn't know how to get the images. But here, have another fish.

I can offer some advice though. If "missing" images are such a concern, be prepared to do a lot more sniveling about it over the next couple of years.

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Jesus - I don't want any of your "fishes" or anyone else's!

What do you mean I don't control who posts? I know. Never said I did. Don't know where that came from.

And I think I have done as much as I CAN do - way more than you have. But no fish necessary - keep it for yourself. I'm not doing this for ME. Get that into your head already. I don't want fish, and I don't want money. Just to know. But like I said - I HAVE done all I could do. I registered at another forum, I made this very forum here and posted a lot of images, links, and info, have I not?

So stop distorting things and putting words into my mouth and thinking it's about me, because it's not.

And "sniveling"? Here we go again - an attempt to make me look bad.

Phage. Buddy 'Ol Pal: Who's the one who's really sniveling here?

Not that you care and shouldn't, but you have lost my respect.

Why are you even on this site if you're going to distort things? That's how I just lost the respect - I thought you were sharp and knew what you were talking about and if you couldn't find something, you would just simply state it and move on. But you have proved in this thread that you are not the person many of us thought you were.

I understand what you're saying about not having a direct link to the images and how you have to edit the URL to get them but if they were that secret or mind-blowing, do you really think they would be available on there at all?
If there were a couple of pics that exposed something they just wouldn't be on a publically accessible server (via a slight url change).

Best thing to do would be to send your question via the feedback form on the site.
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Hopefully someone there can answer your question and you can post the feedback here.

Cheers
Elbee

I quote 'Guess what. Files are STILL missing from the NASA web site. They were never added. I had to manually retrieve the MARDI HD images by tweaking the URL'

Oh no! The nasty NASA conspiracists are hiding their precious images of mars anomalies from the public eye. Gary mckinnon would not be able to get to those bad boys, those photos are secured so tightly.

Wait, a simple URL CHANGE grants you access to them... and this is meant to be the great Nasa hiding images conspiracy? Not to mention all these images are widely avaliable on the web, in a wide variety of resolutions, on websites independent from NASA's offical aswell as on NASA's offical. Your claims that NASA are lowering the resolution of the images is also absurd, considering you can manually raise the resolution yourself, and a collection of high level resolution photos are avaliable from websites seperate from NASAs offical .com. Hell you can even do it on NASAs website now.

Just because NASA does not post EVERY little snippet, every little photo, every little bit of information in high quality full resolution non thumbnail wholesome goodness does not mean they are hiding something, rather its that there is so much stuff that posting all of it would be un-reasonable. You can view the images online at your viewing pleasure, just not on the NASA website for EVERY image as this is both unreasonable and ridiclious. Just because you have to manually do something to get what you want, does not mean they are hiding something. It would be impossible to get to if they wanted it hidden, they wouldent play a little game of cat and mouse where you edit a url and you get the 'prize'.

This will never be moved from the grey area as you are now connecting the imaginary dots in your own mind that others have and will continue to fail seeing. Your only supporters are the simpletons who claim they can see 'faces' in the rocks. This thread has degenerated into a monotone and never ending ego-trip on your part, and the amount of flags this thread has sums up the general concencious. At first your points where somewhat valid if not overly suggestive, now your just beating a dead horse that you have already smashed to bits 10 times over. Stop.

Impaired, with all due respect, have NASA ever said they are going to make a panorama image from the sol3 images?

You said yourself in your earlier e-mail exchange, that NASA lets people from outside do that kind of thing quite regularly.


Speaking of e-mails, have you considered e-mailing them to find out why the image isn't there? Perhaps it's an over sight, and you might bring it to their attention? You'll also get an answer (whether you like what you're told is another matter) to your question.


Leave poor Phage alone. You should know that he only gets paid by the post on ATS, and costs do not cover unsolicited e-mails to NASA. He has a hard enough job debunking all the accounts and stories on ATS as it is.



Here have a fish!

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You are taking it to another level.

I just want to know why. But all I get is "Oh, you think it's a conspiracy, etc.".

And whatever files that are available online that are not indexed on the NASA site are only available to those who figured out HOW to change the URL. Probably thanks to the folks here.

And when did I EVER say they were hiding ANYTHING?? Never! It comes down to the principal in the OP. See, I'm about to repeat myself yet again because you failed to read the thread.

Don't put words in my mouth and don't slander me. Read the OP for what it is. Did you even read the whole thread? Probably not. Just another knee jerk reaction.

And sue me for calling it like it is and making this thread. I am all for Curiosity - that's how I know you're knee-jerking.

READ.

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
Impaired, with all due respect, have NASA ever said they are going to make a panorama image from the sol3 images?

You said yourself in your earlier e-mail exchange, that NASA lets people from outside do that kind of thing quite regularly.


Speaking of e-mails, have you considered e-mailing them to find out why the image isn't there? Perhaps it's an over sight, and you might bring it to their attention? You'll also get an answer (whether you like what you're told is another matter) to your question.


Leave poor Phage alone. You should know that he only gets paid by the post on ATS, and costs do not cover unsolicited e-mails to NASA. He has a hard enough job debunking all the accounts and stories on ATS as it is.

Here have a fish!

edit on 21-8-2012 by AmatuerSkyWatcher because: (no reason given)

NASA already did make a panoramic. Over a week ago. It's missing a lot of images and it's badly stitched and vignetted (color matched). As far as the public is concerned, that's all there is.

And I will E-mail NASA.

You keep saying read the OP as if it's some kind of defense. We have read it. Even if Nasa did remove a link from a thumbnail to a large version (that still existed and was used elsewhere regardless) that worked fine before, so what? You never went into any implications. The full res image shows nothing of note, and is just one in many others like it.

The worst case scenario possible is someone sabotaged a link from a thumbnail to a large version so you could no longer view some...pebbles and tracks of the rover by simply clicking on it. The most likely is there was some mistake in the website. If it's still like it on the site (I can't even be bothered to check), the answer is that it's such a small issue in the grand scheme of things that it's not even worth them taking the time away from, I don't know, operating a multi million dollar robot on another planet to fix, especially when you can still reach the image through other means.

Wait, so you are continuing to post because you want a answer to a question nobody here is able to answer, or ever will be, because the very question itself is both implausible and subject to your interpretation, with you refusing to accept any other interpretations.. sic 'Why do I have to manually do something to a Image to make it look better.. odd, why would I need to do that?'

Why are you asking us why you have to change an url to view a image? Or click on a thumbnail to attain a higher resolution? Why dont you email Nasa instead of repeating the same point over and over on this forum.. to what avail, I dont know, probaly to stroke your ego.

The reality is you are again connecting the dots that arent there. You said they were posting the images as thumbnails, you can click on the thumbnails and they expand. You said that they were posting the images in a lower resolution, turns out anyone that is computer literate can raise the resolution manually. You say they are not posting all images that they have avaliable to them, and when given the point that NASA is not obliged to post EVERYTHING that your heart desires, refuse to accept this point and ask 'why' like a whining five year old child, even though the images you are referring to are readily avaliable on third party websites. Look through the past few pages, nobody bar the 'Face in the rock' freaks are on your side. This thread is getting flagged in something as far out as the grey zone, where alien abduction is considered a social norm. The images you suggested nasa are/were meddling with showed nothing of note in the first place, as demonstrated by third party websites hosting the images in all there non descript glory as well as the NASA website rejuvinating there images to appear in full resoltuion, with the third party website and the Nasa website having matching images. Once again, email nasa or stop.

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Ok. You guys are dismissed. I wrote a letter to NASA. We can stop the bickering now.

Dr Ashwin - just one more question if I may:

I was just wondering why there are images available but not indexed on the site. And how come a high resolution SOL 3 panoramic hasn't been released from NASA itself to the public? We can make panoramics and movies all day, but until NASA releases them on their own, many people will still be in the dark because it just won't get enough coverage.

What I'm getting at is that the public (and myself, of course) love images. We love what we can see. Data is cool and we know you're working hard crunching it, but for many, they want to see and admire the awesome view of Mount Sharp and the crater wall. It would (I think, at least) spark more interest in the Rover and the mission itself (not that there isn't enough as it is, but it can always use more).

This rover may find things that will change the science books. But I think you already know that.

Thanks for reading and responding to me last time. Enjoy this video. I hope I got it right, considering I ran the frames at 10 FPS. I added the audio of you guys at mission control and trimmed some (audio) down to make up for the upped frame rate:

www.youtube.com...

Love the heat shield hitting the ground!!!

Can't wait to see what the rover finds. Great job and good luck with the mission!

Did I so something wrong now by doing this??

Haters gonna hate, man...

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So what's the point of even being on this site, by the way, if there is no point to posting something that no one can help with.

What?! I thought that's why we're here! I thought that's what this site is for!