What would my grandad have known as a 3rd degree mason?

Originally posted by KSigMason
Even with Ramsay's Oration it wasn't the Knights Templar who he connected us to, but the Knights of St. John.

And, of course, you're aware that many of the Knights Templar simply took off their garments, and put on those of the Knights of St. John to hide among friends.


Three Pillars: Beauty, Strength, and Wisdom,



Look familiar? Nope. It's not Freemasonry. It's not even Knights Templar. It's a previous order that also worshiped in closed spaces. The Cult of Mithras, a warrior cult, of Roman heritage, you know, the famous 9th Legion, and Hadrian's Wall, etc..from Warrior Cult to Warrior Kights, to Builders, the history is all there written in stone.

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Ugh...whatever...I'm still waiting for you to prove it.

So you assume every 3 pillars is Masonic and from the "Mithras cult"? Please provide citation.

Originally posted by KSigMason
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Ugh...whatever...I'm still waiting for you to prove it.

So you assume every 3 pillars is Masonic and from the "Mithras cult"? Please provide citation.

Until you tell me what is "Masonic" to you, I couldn't answer that.

Are the three pillars with different tops masonic? Then so are the 3 Pillars of Mithras. You'd have to be blind not to see. But, Mithras were not Builders. So, you also have to make adjustments for the evolution of cult ideas. The fact is that Freemasons never built anything. The Stone Masons built things, and the Knights Templars infiltrated the Stone Mason guilds and stole their "history", so that they could then "trace" their origins backwards to the earlier stone mason guilds, and point to that as their source, while hiding the true origins coming from Mithras thru Templars. Jesus did pretty much the same thing, he "grafted" Christianity onto the older Judaism, so that Christians could then trace their roots back to Adam, through a lineage of Hebrews, and yet Jesus had no biological Father according to scripture. He was an Alien implant, from an Alien God, the Unknown God, who simply took over the vine and started a new branch 2000 years ago. Exactly this, the Templars did to construct the Freemason order from the older cults that inhabited the lands before.

Originally posted by GreatOwl
Are the three pillars with different tops masonic?

Yes. if they have a Doric, Ionic and Corinthian capital respectively.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by GreatOwl
Are the three pillars with different tops masonic?

Yes. if they have a Doric, Ionic and Corinthian capital respectively.

Then it's easy to define Freemasonry.

We can say that Freemasonry came into existence, when the 3 pillars adopted the Doric, Iconic, and Corinthian tops, from the ancient architectural forms, for the three principles. And prior to this adoption, there was no Freemasonry.

Originally posted by GreatOwl
Then it's easy to define Freemasonry.

We can say that Freemasonry came into existence, when the 3 pillars adopted the Doric, Iconic, and Corinthian tops, from the ancient architectural forms, for the three principles. And prior to this adoption, there was no Freemasonry.

It is not nearly as easy as you outlined. Operative Masonry, from which Speculative evolved, did not use the same symbols and ritual in most instances. The three columns is a later addition from Speculative's incorporation of Solomon's Temple.

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You seem to be confusing correlation, causation, and comparison together. Just because Freemasonry uses 3 pillars doesn't mean every representation of 3 pillars is tied to Masonry or that they mean the same thing.

Are the three pillars with different tops masonic?

Not necessarily.

The fact is that Freemasons never built anything. The Stone Masons built things, and the Knights Templars infiltrated the Stone Mason guilds and stole their "history", so that they could then "trace" their origins backwards to the earlier stone mason guilds, and point to that as their source, while hiding the true origins coming from Mithras thru Templars.

This is a fantastic theory. Prove it. Names. Dates. So on.

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You're being way to simplistic.

Originally posted by KSigMason

This is a fantastic theory. Prove it. Names. Dates. So on.

Proof is impossible without a time machine.

We have to refer to the writings of others, and to the inferences we can draw from the presence of symbols and artifacts found in the archeological record. There is no real proof of anything of historical nature.

2012 Freemason Revelations

Just recently the University of Bradford released lectures in freemasonry and published it on their website. Dr Robert Lomas of the University of School of Management has dumped his archives on his research of Freemasonry and the information he’s got from the Masonic writer Walter Leslie Wilmshurst and published it on the internet.

The release of this information of Scottish Rite freemasons from the Hermetic vaults of masonry is astonishing to say the least since it reveals their knowledge and understanding of the Galactic Alignment that occurs this time around era-2012.

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Freemason’s clues

We cannot expect that the Scottish Rite freemasons will give away their secret knowledge that they have preserved for centuries without further ado; the revelation of the information that they have given on the Bradford’s University’s website may be as close as we can ever get about learning their esoteric mysteries, yet they have left the door ajar enough for us to swing it open and reveal what’s inside.

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"The three great Pillars supporting Mason's Lodges are emblematical of the Divine attributes; they further represent Solomon, King of Israel, Hiram, King of Tyre, and Hiram Abif. Solomon, King of Israel for his Wisdom in building, completing, and dedicating the Temple at Jerusalem to God's service; Hiram, King of Tyre, for his Strength in supporting him with men and material and Hiram Abif, for his curious a masterly workmanship in beautifying and adorning the same. But as we have no noble orders in Architecture known by the names of Wisdom Strength, and Beauty, we refer them to the three most celebrated, the Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian.”

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Scottish Rite of Freemasonry

The arrival of the Templars in Scotland was the start of Scottish freemasonry and the formation for the Lodges of the Scottish Rite as well as the Lodges of the Masonic Knights Templars of England and Wales. Is it therefore a surprise that the revelations of these Scottish Rite freemasons are published on a website of a British University?

Certainly not! What is surprising is that they came out with this information now we’re heading towards 2012!

SOURCE: www.soulsofdistortion.nl...

Apart from referring to the writings of other Freemasons, what else do we have for evidence?

Originally posted by GreatOwl
SOURCE: www.soulsofdistortion.nl...

Apart from referring to the writings of other Freemasons, what else do we have for evidence?

The Masonic information at the source you cited mentions nothing about galactic alignments and other such topics, this is purely from speculation by the person at said source twisting the materail in an attempt to prove a outlandish point.

The symbols used have been taken completely out of context and any Mason can point you to the correct description and where it occurs in the ritual which you can then personally verfiy afterwards.

GreatOwl, read the Compasses and the Cross by Stephen Dafoe.

Originally posted by BlueNose
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Surely even masons are covered by their respective countries anti murder laws? In my opinion theres something dodgy about any society who see's the need to keep secrets from non members. Bit childish is it not?

Not really I was in a fraternity and we keep our rituals, hazing, handshake, ect secret. Just because Skull and Bones and Mason's are secret societies doesn't mean they are bad people and up to no good. My grandfather was a mason and i'm pretty sure he wasn't in on killing JFK and taking over the world haha. To bad we have people like Leo Zagami who are crazy and tell made up stories about things he has no idea about.

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But if not for Leo Zagami, we would not be able to pick out the hopelessly willfully ignorant people out of a crowd so easily. He sure tells a fantastic story.

Originally posted by network dude
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But if not for Leo Zagami, we would not be able to pick out the hopelessly willfully ignorant people out of a crowd so easily. He sure tells a fantastic story.

Very true, to be honest I have a love hate kind of thing with these crazy people because even though they annoy me sometimes I would honestly miss them and the laughs if they were gone forever. What to do?:

Originally posted by nancyliedersdeaddog
Just because Skull and Bones and Mason's are secret societies doesn't mean they are bad people and up to no good. My grandfather was a mason and i'm pretty sure he wasn't in on killing JFK and taking over the world haha.

Being a member of a secret society doesn't "make you" a bad person. That's not the point really.

Being a member of a secret society "facilities" evil activities. So, it helps those who already are inclined to do evil to hide their activities from the rest of society. And that is the critical thing.



Like the yin/yang tao symbol shows, a black dot surrounding himself by white, gets to work invisibly, protected by the armor of his white cloak.

In an open society you can easily pierce the cloak and find the black dot.

But, in a secret society, the rules are such, that you cannot penetrate into the inner workings of the Fraternity to find and identify that black dot.

All the other members of the society protect him, without even realizing it.

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fear and ignorance seem to fuel this type of thinking. You Fail to realize you just described any group be it secret of public. But since you don't know for sure what freemasonry is about, you chose to demonize it along with all other secret societies simply because you can.

Bad people will be bad regardless of who they are around. Place the blame where it belongs. On the individual.

reply to post by GreatOwl

People who automatically apply sinister activities to secrecy are irrational.

Like the yin/yang tao symbol shows, a black dot surrounding himself by white, gets to work invisibly, protected by the armor of his white cloak.

Yeah, that's not what the Yin-Yang symbol is about. It's about balance. Nice try though.

But, in a secret society, the rules are such, that you cannot penetrate into the inner workings of the Fraternity to find and identify that black dot.

And yet, here we are, supposed to believe this mythical, non-existent dot exists by someone who says even us mere members cannot 'penetrate' while you yourself are not a member. yeah, that makes sense.

Originally posted by GreatOwl
Being a member of a secret society "facilities" evil activities.

Give me an example of some 'evil activities' being facilitated (it helps if you can spell the word too).

I think people need to stop watching movies like The Skulls and think they are based on a true story.

Originally posted by network dude

Bad people will be bad regardless of who they are around. Place the blame where it belongs. On the individual.

I don't disagree with you. The point I'm making is that when bad people join good people in brotherhood, and the rules of that brotherhood declare the good must support the bad regardless of how bad they are, that's when the brotherhood itself becomes evil.

Originally posted by GreatOwl
I don't disagree with you. The point I'm making is that when bad people join good people in brotherhood, and the rules of that brotherhood declare the good must support the bad regardless of how bad they are, that's when the brotherhood itself becomes evil.

Nonsense. There's a moral code that must be upheld or the guilty will be kicked out of the fraternity and not receive any of the benefits of membership. The obligation doesn't require us to look the other way when wrong is being done. In fact, quite the opposite.