HAARP and Project STARFISH PRIME

Ooops I deleted this by accident but I think I said something like my concern over these experiments and man made aura and the coparisons with HAARP and project STARFISH plus my lack of ability to learning how to post links and such

reply to post by shells4u


I have this bookmarked and it is very helpful on learning how to do things on ATS...

A Guide to BBCode on ATS

Sorry, I know it isn't on topic, but it has been a great tool to help me on this site...

reply to post by shells4u

On the night of 9 July 1962 a number of beach front hotels in Honolulu, Hawaii where throwing “rainbow bomb” parties; gathering skygazers to the rooftops to enjoys a sight rarely seen in the South Pacific: the aurora.
At the time they didn’t have the means to detect and track a CME (Coronal Mass Ejection), but the technology was impending, due in part to the events that were transpiring. This time instead of forecasting an aurora that might occur naturally, they were creating one. Specifically, DASA (Defense Atomic Support Agency) and the AEC (Atomic Energy Comission) were creating the aurora by means of a suborbital nuclear detonation.

The test was codenamed Starfish Prime, and was part of Operation Dominic, a series of tests designed to test the abilities of nuclear weapons in space.

The W49 thermonuclear warhead was launched on the nose of a Thor rocket. The warhead detonated 248.5 miles above Johnston Island—an altitude that is considered outer space. The yield of the blast was 1.5 Megatons, but there was no fireball. There is no air at that altitude to ignite. That is not to say, however, that there were no visual effects.

Quoting Cecil R. Coale, PhD , who observed the flash from Canton Island:

Then a brilliant white flash erased the darkness like a photoflash. Then the entire sky turned light green for about a second. In several more seconds, a deep red aurora, several moon diameters in size, formed where the blast had been. A white plasma jet came slowly out of the top of the red aurora (over Johnston Island) and painted a white stripe across the sky from north to south in about one minute. A deep red aurora appeared over Samoa at the south end of the white plasma jet. This visual display lasted for perhaps ten minutes before slowly fading. There was no sound at all.

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Interesting, and yea I see the correlation, as far as effect.
Here is a good ATS LINK to help with operations and such.

Peace

However STARFISH Prime disabled quite a lot of satellites. I have not heard of HAARP disabling satellites. I also believe that HAARP's mostly affects the actual atmosphere, while Starfish's bombs were actually detonated in space, although they probably did have some effect on the upper atmosphere.

I think what we learned from starfish is the government basically does these tests without having any clue what will happen. It is obvious they could have dire consequences but the government goes ahead and experiments and seems to discount any risks. Yet again and again time proves they should have known better.

Officially, I believe HAARP is designed to communicate with deep water subs under the ice caps. Maybe true... It could also be a weapon. I doubt if this was an advanced weapon that could cause EQs it would be advertised. It would be the first target I would hit if I were an enemy. Either way beaming that much energy into the sky or the ground will obviously have some kind of effect.

reply to post by seeker1963
Thank you!! I will go there now and see what the heck I am doing wrong

reply to post by speculativeoptimist
Thank you for helping with this thread

reply to post by crazyguy2012


To add to that conversation I've heard that Pine Gap has an antenna that goes straight down into the earth for about two miles. I think it was intended to communicate with submarines too. Wonder if that antenna can be used to do more than communicate.

reply to post by BASSPLYR


I am sure if you focus enough energy on just about any object it will have an effect. So it probably could be used for more than communication if it has a big enough energy source and enough output.

The colors, green and then red, suggest an stimulated emission of light by the particles in the upper atmosphere.
The blast crammed energy into the Ionosphere?, magnetoshpere? and those layers of the atmosphere shot out light as they returned to normal energy levels.

HAARP could put energy into those layers of the atmosphere as well. A positive feedback situation or a syncronized release of stored energy would be neccessary to get the same amount of energy as the Starfish into the atmosphere though.

reply to post by shells4u


HAARP is not powerful enough to create a visible aurora.

The EMP from a high altitude nuclear detonation is fundamentally different in energy, effect and method than what HAARP does.

reply to post by chr0naut
Okay I hope thats true because it puts my mind at ease thanx

Well, I am relatively certain that too many people are making HAARP out to be more than it is. As far as operation Starfish Prime, the US was absolutely insane. Or more appropriately, Dr. Van Allen, since it seems that the decision to go ahead with the mission was deferred to him. I just cannot believe someone would make such a potentially catastrophic decision without the slightest clue what adverse side affects may result.

The artificial auroras that resulted from detonating a large nuclear bomb high in the atmosphere were seen for at least 1000 miles, which is about how far Hawaii was from the test site, and auroras were seen there, but probably they were seen much farther away as well. If you look back through the history of nuclear device development by the military of the United States, you will find it riddled with gross misconduct and absolute failure in the decision making process by multiple high-ranking officials.

There were so many people who suffered adverse affects from the many nuclear detonations, many of which the government will never acknowledge. Virtually they took very minimal, if any, safety precautions. It was like they said, "hey guys, just back up a little bit..." The soldiers themselves were never informed of the dangers of radiation poisoning, and the top brass definitely were informed that more appropriate precautions should have been taken. The US should have been well aware of the affects of a nuclear blast within a few years after the blasts in Japan at the end of WWII, so any subsequent failure on the military's part to protect its soldiers constitutes a criminal offense in my opinion.

And Starfish Prime was the military, yet again, taking liberty to do as they please, the consequences be damned. They were just lucky, or we all were, that nothing significant resulted on a worldwide scale. All this mission accomplished was increasing tensions with the USSR, and what do you have right after the detonation of this particular nuclear bomb? The Cuban Missile Crisis. Basically the USSR acted in direct response to this detonation. And the US goal of establishing a low-lying band of radiation to scramble incoming missile components was an utter failure as well. Granted, we know more now than was known then, but someone should have spoken up and said that the mission was just plain stupid all around. The consequences far outweighed the chance of success, although they didn't know it was virtually non-existent. Anyway, more military and government irresponsibility. What else is new right?