Mars or Mojave, Curious Photos

Originally posted by DJW001
Here's another clue: if there are no trees, tumbleweeds, cacti, roads or contrails, it's probably Mars.

add paved road to the list.
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If NASA decided to fake the photos then they would use photoshop or some other photo editing software to create the desired landscape. They would not need to find the perfect location, they could remove roads and bushes with a simple clone tool.

One could cut the mountains in the horizon from this pic.

Use them to replace the horizon in this pic.


Put a little haze to mask the cut lines and you got a Martian landscape.

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No offence but do you ever support (or even have fun with) any conspiracy here on ATS?

Whenever I point to real conspiracies on ATS people are either completely incurious or charge me with being a "disinfo" agent. For example, I submitted a few opinions (conspiracy theories are generally just opinions until proven otherwise) on the DSK affair. The few non-Europeans who contributed found my theories ridiculous because they did not involve the Illuminati. Time and again, I have hinted that the USAF's MOL project was a hoax. No-one has even asked me why I think that. Whenever I bring up the subject of the CIA smuggling heroin into Iran, the pro-Iranian faction refuses to discuss the issue. The most popular conspiracy theories on ATS are pure fantasy. Like this one.

Ohhh what a surprise more # pictures from a multi million $ robot using incredibly advanced technology send us back 1960s quality pictures AWESOME!

Ya we're reaching here people. This is Mars...I don't see what the benefit would be in faking this trip.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Why do people have such a hard time believing we have thes rover on mars, or any rover on mars or anywhere else in space? Do they think mankind is too stupid to figure out how to do it?
If people like his were running things, we'd probably be still living in caves wearing animal skins

I've read a number of conspiracy threads, and the one common theme that shows up over and over is a general antiestablishment, America hating outlook on life. For instance, look at all the terrorist events in the world, and you'll see this pattern yourself...

-The assassination of Indian PM Indira Gandhi was real but the assassination of JFK was staged
-The IRA bombings of the UK were real but the 1993 bombing of the WTC was staged
-The Japanese doomsday cult releasing nerve gas into Tokyo subways was real but the 9/11 attack was staged
-The Kashmir separtists attack against that hotel in India was real but the OKC bombing was staged

You will of course know that we're certainly not the only space faring country, as other nations have their own space exploration programs. Yet, it's only the US space programs that are always phony...

-The USSR probe to Venus was real but the US probe to Mars is staged
-The USSR probes to the moon were real but the US probes to the moon was staged
-The Chinese manned orbital missions are real but the US manned orbital missions are staged
-The Japanese lunar probe that first photographed evidence of the landing areas of the Apollo missions is real but the Apollo landing missions themselves are staged.

...and on and on. Name any major event in the world and you'll notice that the one thing that opens the door to conspiracy mongoring is when the US is conencted to it somehow. Personally, I think that implies that conspiracy mongoring is largely based upon a nonstop diet of anti-US rhetoric combined with an extreme isolationist viewpoint where they don't even bother to look at anything outside of US culture, and it sours their outlook to the point where they perceive people really were killed in Indonesia by the tsunami in 2004 but the hurricane damage in New Orleans was really caused by the gov't blowing up the levis. It's not a research for the truth; it's a Rorschach test where they perceive patterns within unrelated events according to their own personal perceptions of the world. In other words, they're too lazy to bother actually learning about anything so they mentally fill in the gaps of their understanding of the world with their own America-bashing fetish.

If anyone esle has a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.

Originally posted by Trueman

One more, imagine how would look a satellite pic of this area.

Of course, you'll need to wait for the sunset to get the "redish" sky too.

edit on 12-8-2012 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

When NASA get the OK to start using decent cameras & stop air brushing, photo shopping, and all that good stuff they do, i think we'll all find that Mars looks EXACTLY like these two images

Breathable air, survivable temps, perfect for Terra-forming

Maybe i missed it.
But spending 2.5 billion dollar for this project.
Impelemting just a 2mb cam.
I took a picture in 2005, it was 5mb.
Why do NASA think, that the people watching this stuff are stupid.?

YEah the thing with the it's the mojave not mars theory is that the mojave has plants every few feet. I know I live in southern california I go out to the desert frequently. You would have to photoshop out hundreds of plants in every single photo. Mars looks nothing like the mojave. I wouldn't even say it looks like death valley, the atacama, or the gobi deserts either.

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Good points GoodOlDave. You should start a thread about that.
Sure I'm guilty of being lazy but not Anti American. I think our culture (me) is very pestamistic. It's much easier to find faults and say bad idea. We (me) have become jaded by the onslaught of negative and false news reporting, doctored images that present false impressions(every modle on the cover of a magazine). So to engage and encourage optimism, and hope is not on the top of my list. I would say that bitter is a good word to describe my current state.

Thanks for the insight.

I just want to ask the experts here, should Mars have similar mountain formations to earths?
How did Mars mountains form?

Do a Google search for "Mt. Sharp" and Gale Crater.

The mountain range in the recent curiosity pictures are actually the rim of the crater.



Curiosity is approx. where the red dot is, the images show that mountain range (edge of the crater) if i am not mistaken. The crater is 100 mls in diameter, and of course its only one crater of about a zillion on mars - means there will be TONS of such mountain ranges.

I am not a geologist, but i am pretty certain to say that those mountains therefore formed in an entire different way than here on Earth, because here on Earth mountains come from tectonic plates movements (similar to when i shift a carpet around and it forms a buckle)....and on Mars (at least those mountains) are the result of meteorite impacts and the resulting craters.

Originally posted by tarkanx007
Maybe i missed it.
But spending 2.5 billion dollar for this project.
Impelemting just a 2mb cam.
I took a picture in 2005, it was 5mb.
Why do NASA think, that the people watching this stuff are stupid.?

Yeah. It's seems a large contingent of people are "missing it".

Here's some information regarding Curiosity's cameras. Worth a read, and that goes for anyone who is getting revved up to complain about perceived bad quality:
Knowledge is Power

Did some research found this article that proves I'm not alone in my initial observations, even the expert agree. Link to BBC article

Scientists have remarked that the rover's surroundings resembled parts of the southwestern US.

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Thanks for answering one of my questions. I agree that these mountains could be the rim of the crater. That's one massive crater.

This article touches on the formation of those mountains. Link to BBC Article

This high-resolution picture is the first view scientists have had of a fluvial system - one relating to a river or stream - from the surface of Mars.

This post was very helpful from Benrl regarding tectonic plates on Mars.

Originally posted by benrl

Felt this was relevant as well.

Mars has tectonic plates just like earth

“You don’t see these features anywhere else on other planets in our solar system, other than Earth and Mars,” Yin said. These plate tectonics explain the landslides that we already knew occurred on Mars. But could they mean that the planet also suffers from major earthquakes? “I think so,” Yin said. “I think the fault is probably still active, but not every day. It wakes up every once in a while, over a very long duration — perhaps every million years or more.”

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You forgot to mention the attack on the Albanian booze smuggler last year. It was an inside job and no one talks and if dare to, they are accused of anti-albinism.

There is no fair comparition to your claims.
Second, America controls the damn world, I mean the whole of it after the braek up of the SU. It does it since the end of the 1st world war.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Why do people have such a hard time believing we have thes rover on mars, or any rover on mars or anywhere else in space? Do they think mankind is too stupid to figure out how to do it?
If people like his were running things, we'd probably be still living in caves wearing animal skins

No, they are so smart, that they actually would keep the millions and billions of dollars in their pockets, and stage something to a level where no person on this planet, but them, would ever be able to confirm or deny weather those images are mars or not. wouldn't make more sense to spend 500 dollars on a fake rover and keep it here, or actually spend the millions and billions on something people would never see with their own eyes?

and the whole cave thing, those guys were not stupid also, they knew how to manufacture and all the things we enjoy today, they just had different materials and tools to do it.

I personally believe those are earth images, no one can deny or confirm that, if they can build rovers and space shuttles, i am pretty sure they can get together with the guys that made avatar and put on a good show

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No, they are so smart, that they actually would keep the millions and billions of dollars in their pockets, and stage something to a level where no person on this planet, but them, would ever be able to confirm or deny weather those images are mars or not. wouldn't make more sense to spend 500 dollars on a fake rover and keep it here, or actually spend the millions and billions on something people would never see with their own eyes?

Not if what Mars is like is the thing they most want to know; then money would be irrelevant. I feel sorry for you that you seem only interested in greed and deception.

Originally posted by DJW001
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No, they are so smart, that they actually would keep the millions and billions of dollars in their pockets, and stage something to a level where no person on this planet, but them, would ever be able to confirm or deny weather those images are mars or not. wouldn't make more sense to spend 500 dollars on a fake rover and keep it here, or actually spend the millions and billions on something people would never see with their own eyes?

Not if what Mars is like is the thing they most want to know; then money would be irrelevant. I feel sorry for you that you seem only interested in greed and deception.

I think i am interested in the opposite only because of my stance on the subject, i never said they are greedy, but are very clever business man, and if Mars is the way they tell us it is, then there is NOTHING interesting on it, even if they found water or life on it, it would make no difference at all on this planet, in my point of view, they think exactly the same, and if they did not then their first priority would be to send man and rovers to the moon first, at least to establish a lunch pad or some sort of lunar base on it first. (and they did find water particles on the moon, or so they say), and back a couple of years ago they found water on mars from satellite picture, why wasn't the rover sent there in the first place? and why not send the rover to ice fields of mars, i mean THERE IS ICE ON MARS you can clearly see it from satellite pictures, i am not sorry for my view on this subject, but their behavior on the subject on missions make absolutely no sense,it is more Hollywood then scientific.