WIKILEAKS BOMBSHELL: Surveillance Cameras Around the Country Are Being Used In a Huge Spy Network Ca

REPLY to Druscilla



I just have to post again, because I didnt read that all the way through, I didn't catch some of your gems


Regardless of any of this, with cameras in public, it's public areas. So what?

It's public, that means that the public should decide what goes on in the public area. Your assuming the public has sanctioned the cameras to go up, or your saying the government should be able to decide what goes on everywhere?

Certainly many will want to start foaming at the mouth and getting out of sorts about an Orwellian future becoming reality, but, when it comes to that, many are are in actuality openly and willingly doing it to themselves just by owning a cell phone, which can easily be turned into any national or federal government's personal spy device.
The Orwellian future depends on private monitoring inside of people's private places of residence.
You do this to yourselves by taking a cell phone with you every where you go.

It's our reality and it was layed upon us slowly, like carefully unfolding a blanket. cell phones for safety convience and downright cool factor, we were supposed to have the foresight to know they were going to have the desire or technology to spy on us?

What's also fun is the ironic level of Groupthink, another proposed item detailed in George Orwell's 1984, that is evident in this thread.
How many of you are part of the Groupthink, echoing and expressing the same exact view as someone else without the least bit of original content added to this conversation?

Groupthink isnt science fiction, its science fact. What is ironic about a group of people online in this thread engaged in group think?, can anyone, not just Druscilla at this point, because going through this post is a joke, its really a joke and its an obvious troll. Druscilla, your part of group think. Living in society like the model citizen you portray yourself to be, is groupthink, no bones about it.

for anyone besides Druscilla reading this, im sorry, i didnt plan on going through and systematically responding to everything here, it just happened.


If you have issues with privacy:
1. Don't go out in public
2. Don't invite any and every government agency into your private life by carrying a cell phone.
3. Don't get onto conspiracy websites that might, or might not be monitored and logged.
4. Educate yourself about how to obtain privacy and what legal privacy actually is.
5. Invest in RF jamming equipment (for as little as $30 online) and learn how to use it.
6. Learn how to maintain your privacy online, as well as everywhere else.

1. impossible
2. like i said before, no one anticipated cell phones being used as spy devices, now they are integrated into our lives.
3.so don't speak out in the one forum that most of us have access to?
4. what we are doing right now Druscilla
5. thats paranoid and delusional
6. sounds reasonable

Don't blame me for the cameras.
Don't blame me for not minding or really caring at all about cameras in public places.

just speaking for myself here, i dont blame you or your complacency, just in awe really.

Further, if this is such an issue, get involved with political interest groups and your local/state/regional governments such to make your voice heard.
Protesting about it on a conspiracy website does nothing.
Join a privacy advocacy group and make your voice count.

by not going out in public?

reply to post by yorkshirelad

Whoa... yes you can call me: "paranoid #1":

National I.D.". you got it exactly! All your data is tied to a single file#.

So some vindictive idiot at The DMV finds out you support the "conservocratic peoples liberation party" (which favors elimination of the DMV) and by "mistake"( or on purpose) "OOPSY" transposes two numbers in your file and ("error 404") you don't exist anymore (can't vote).
The next best thing to a Diebold paperless voting system.!
Makes it tough to get your monthly food stipend. too much power consolidated under Govt. workers.

Why?
would anybody advocate such Govt. control over themselves??????????Why just give people anymore "hooks" into you than they already have? They certainly aren't going to go outof their way to do anything for your benefit.?

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It's public, that means that the public should decide what goes on in the public area. Your assuming the public has sanctioned the cameras to go up, or your saying the government should be able to decide what goes on everywhere?

As I stated before, and also implied, any citizen in a democracy can get involved with privacy advocacy groups, write their congressman, or participate in local politics where they can then potentially have an effect on local ordinances as it applies to cameras in public, or any other issue.
Lack of personal participation in local politics, elections, campaigns, and interest groups which in turn can have an effect on these laws forfeits any legitimate complaint about being victimized by the 'government' with their scary all seeing cameras.
If you don't do anything about it, and don't participate in the politics, you have no real cause to complain since you didn't do anything about preventing it.

It's our reality and it was layed upon us slowly, like carefully unfolding a blanket. cell phones for safety convience and downright cool factor, we were supposed to have the foresight to know they were going to have the desire or technology to spy on us?

This is the "poor me, I'm a victim" argument. Playing the 'victim' card will get you nowhere. Your friends don't want to hear you cry about your problems, and your enemies certain don't care.
Complaining about being a victim does nothing. Empowering yourself through education, and learning how to avoid being victimized, as well as what options are available for remediation should victimization occur, does.

Groupthink isnt science fiction, its science fact. What is ironic about a group of people online in this thread engaged in group think?, can anyone, not just Druscilla at this point, because going through this post is a joke, its really a joke and its an obvious troll. Druscilla, your part of group think. Living in society like the model citizen you portray yourself to be, is groupthink, no bones about it.

I never said groupthink is relegated to just science fiction. Groupthink is a very real condition prevalent in our ever progressively connected and susceptible to social/media programming and influence society.
I am well aware of how social programming works as well as how to maintain awareness where my thoughts are indeed my own. This, however, is not standard. Too many fall to their groupthink cliques through FB, Twitter, consensus among associations and thus become part of whatever herd mentality they feel closest identification with. Once again, education, especially concentrations in psychology and sociology lends toward resisting, and freeing oneself from such artificially controlled environmental manipulations.

In the earlier post that was deleted for whatever reason, there was talk about cameras preventing crime?

CCTV cameras are not necessarily in place to prevent crime.
To prevent crime, societies need focus concentrations on social welfare and education beginning early in life through a well funded social school system, as well as enacting programs to eliminate such variables that contribute to crime like poverty, conspicuous wealth, hatred, fear, as well as putting forward social societal programming to frame polite accepted conduct and interaction.

CCTV holds more value in aiding with the prosecution of crimes already reported by citizens victimized by said crimes.
Were you gang raped by a group of men (it happens to men, by men, yes), there's likely very little you could do to prevent the abuse, and if you are indeed a male, considering the traditional positions involved, it's likely you won't have the best look at any of your attackers faces.
You can report the assault, and police will follow through the best their capacity offers given what evidence there may be, but, should they happen to also have CCTV coverage of the event, then, you the victim will have an exponentially greater chance in finding solace with successful incarceration and prosecution of those involved in your violation.

CCTV, in this hypothetical didn't prevent the violation, but, it did indeed lend toward assisting the victim, and the police in mediating a violent threat to society.

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i'll reply however I want.

"As I stated before, and also implied, any citizen in a democracy can get involved with privacy advocacy groups, write their congressman, or participate in local politics where they can then potentially have an effect on local ordinances as it applies to cameras in public, or any other issue.
Lack of personal participation in local politics, elections, campaigns, and interest groups which in turn can have an effect on these laws forfeits any legitimate complaint about being victimized by the 'government' with their scary all seeing cameras.
If you don't do anything about it, and don't participate in the politics, you have no real cause to complain since you didn't do anything about preventing it. "

No, your just dancing around the issue here. stop engaging in semantics. What I am saying, is the cameras are not sanctioned by a democratic government. America is not a democracy where everyone was allowed to vote for cameras to be put up. A bunch of senators/congressman were lobbyed by extremely rich corporations to put cameras up, thats how its works. The way you understand things, is that the government can do whatever they want, and its the responsibility of toothless advocacy groups to enact change?


"This is the "poor me, I'm a victim" argument. Playing the 'victim' card will get you nowhere. Your friends don't want to hear you cry about your problems, and your enemies certain don't care.
Complaining about being a victim does nothing. Empowering yourself through education, and learning how to avoid being victimized, as well as what options are available for remediation should victimization occur, does. "

Your delusional. over 80 percent of Americans use cell phones, its probably 90 percent or more. And your saying im playing the victim because cell phone were turned into spying devices? I dont follow you there. Its not about avoiding victimization. issues much?

"I never said groupthink is relegated to just science fiction. Groupthink is a very real condition prevalent in our ever progressively connected and susceptible to social/media programming and influence society.
I am well aware of how social programming works as well as how to maintain awareness where my thoughts are indeed my own. This, however, is not standard. Too many fall to their groupthink cliques through FB, Twitter, consensus among associations and thus become part of whatever herd mentality they feel closest identification with. Once again, education, especially concentrations in psychology and sociology lends toward resisting, and freeing oneself from such artificially controlled environmental manipulations."

Your saying you have some special knowledge and awareness that lets you rise about social media and groupthink... where do you shop? what kind of car do you drive? im wondering the extent of your alternative lifestyle. Your just like everyone else but with delusions of grandeur.

"Please note, for the record, this post, in accordance and following with ATS T&C does not make any mention of names or personalities. Nor does it accuse, threaten, harass, or otherwise detract from the promotion of conversation on the subject under inspection. I submit the wisdom of others in doing also. "

be careful of someone who tells you there a good person. thats just a good quote ive heard tossed around before. have a good day

reply to post by jacobjones


All I still hear is "Poor me. I'm powerless to do anything about my situation, so, I'm going to go complain about it on a conspiracy website."

Anyone is more than entitled to do so and make as much noise about any issue they please. Until, however, they empower themselves through associations and involvements in actionable programs, any complaint is toothless noise like the squalling of a newborn child.

Your saying you have some special knowledge and awareness that lets you rise about social media and groupthink... where do you shop? what kind of car do you drive? im wondering the extent of your alternative lifestyle. Your just like everyone else but with delusions of grandeur.

My education, and professional experience provides direct insight and knowledge into the pervasive societal control mechanisms extent in programmed Westernized society.
If you know how a machine works, you can avoid getting caught up in its machinations.
Such may be difficult for some to conceive, but, I lay no claim of responsibility for anyone's ignorance, or disbelief. A person's ignorance and disbelief is entirely the providence of their own responsibility.

Believe or disbelieve what you will or want.

The very simple part of it is; don't listen to commercials, popular media, popular music, popular opinion, or take part in anything popular or trendy. Don't take your friends recommendations. Don't take anyone's recommendations. Do your own research. Make your own decisions based on that research. Think, plan, consider, and make decisions based on your own data acquired from direct experience and/or multiple independent sources.

And people wonder why it's so easy to 'dislike' my opinions and thoughts on these boards. I don't subscribe to the programming. I don't believe the hype. I don't wear the harness of social programming.
Anyone finding it easy to 'dislike' my opinions and thoughts, I submit, may wish to consider where these thoughts and influences that have brought about this 'dislike' come from.

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Originally posted by TheCaucasianAmerican
I feel bad for city people...

I live in the California mountains in a forest... no cameras here!

We can do pretty much anything and not see a single trace of civilization for miles sometimes.
We pretty much just get to see old retired people golfing.

Until they launch the UAVs to survey the country. If you are not near a camera, they can easily bring a camera to you.

God Bless,

Someone mentioned the fact that many of these cameras are installed at parks. I don't have a problem with them being in a public park or even large cities where crime is rampant. Many parking garages have them too, which are prime places for a crime to occur. If someone you loved was kidnapped or assaulted, you would be glad that they are there. Atleast I would. ~$heopleNation

Text Blackreply to post by ninjas4321


In my line of work ( am a barber) I get to meet people from different backgrounds, well one client I have works for a defense company that works a lot with our government as well as many others around the world and he has been telling me for awhile that we are / have been being watched more then we realize. When I called him on It, he pulled out his cell phone and started viewing video from different camera's around the country in real time at that, and with a smirk to me "you see". So if he can easily view camera's (and thats one guy) just imagine what a bigger entity like our, as well as many other government's can do.

I thought this was pretty obvious already we like to think we can live anonymously. Anyway thanks for sharing interesting reading everyone's comments

reply to post by ElohimJD


Ok....... but why would they use all their resources and man hours just to look under every tree shrub and rock that they can see...

I could be a rockstar or president in theory too but is it logical... NO.

This isn't eagle eye they don't keep tabs on every person at all times.

If they did well... there would be alot less crime.

Im free in the forests. I can do what I want when I want. I've never seen anything to contradict that.

So stop being so paranoid. Its messed up that they have cameras everywhere in the city, I wont lie about that.

So if you don't like being watched move somewhere else where there are no cameras, got it? Good.

reply to post by h13022489


Most public systems store data for an average of 30 days. Some as low as 16.

As for technology like "Facial Recognition" the only places with it would be some government building or something like that. Facial recognition is still years away from the from the city streets.

Also for the facial recognition system to be effective you have to be a known criminal that has had mugshots added to the database, its not as if the camera can know who you are just from capturing you going about your daily business.

The operators are not interested in the everyday people of the city they have mugshots of suspected and known criminals on file they can refer to if they need.

Shoplifters, muggers, purse snatchers and pickpockets get the most attention from the city or town CCTV system. Operators are trained to look for odd or suspicious behaviour and in most cases can prevent a criminal act before it even happens.

reply to post by Ezappa


Hey casinos have face recognition too lol.

Here's another one for them...

If their cameras were so high tech and they can see anything and everything. Then why the heck do they have a most wanted list for the FBI?

Couldn't they just find em on camera Haha.

reply to post by Druscilla


The knowledge you are being watched , is a way of social engineering first developed by Jeremy Bentham and his Panopticon Prison system. Do you like the idea of living in a prison?

The Panopticon is a type of institutional building designed by English philosopher and social theorist Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow a watchman to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) inmates of an institution without their being able to tell whether or not they are being watched.
The design consists of a circular structure with an "inspection house" at its centre, from which the managers or staff of the institution are able to watch the inmates, who are stationed around the perimeter. Bentham conceived the basic plan as being equally applicable to hospitals, schools, poorhouses, daycares, and madhouses, but he devoted most of his efforts to developing a design for a Panopticon prison, and it is his prison which is most widely understood by the term.
Bentham himself described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example

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Originally posted by Ezappa

As for technology like "Facial Recognition" the only places with it would be some government building or something like that. Facial recognition is still years away from the from the city streets.

Also for the facial recognition system to be effective you have to be a known criminal that has had mugshots added to the database, its not as if the camera can know who you are just from capturing you going about your daily business.

Something you, and others may wish to consider in this regard is picture tagging on sites like Facebook.
Have you ever wondered why we have this really nice tool that immediately and conveniently puts a tag box around someone's face so that you can tell the world just who that person is?

I posit that every time you, or anyone tags a picture of someone on Facebook, and/or other sites that offer similar features, you're assisting in building/adding to a database of photos for facial recognition. Tag enough photos from enough angles of anyone, and there's a good chance software will have a high reliability of picking that person out of a crowd.

You do this, and you do this voluntarily, and even willingly, just like everyone carries cell phones which can quite conveniently be taken over and used remotely by any federal or government agency to spy on you, or anyone of any relevance, for any or no reason at all.

Many of these features and gimmicks like the trendy cool convenience of cell phones that are essentially rather sophisticated small computers, and cool features like the "Like" button, as well as face tagging are all elements and derivatives of the social programming and pervasive susceptibility to suggestibility the majority of Westernized society is under the influence of.

What's the point in tagging your friends on FB? What do you really get out of it?
On the other side of that, your willingness to voluntarily cooperate in participating with such a cool free service contributes to building a worldwide database of facial recognition.
What's the point of clicking "Like"? What do you get out of it?
On the other side of that, you're telling those behind the curtain exactly what you like and how to control you.
Ah the monkey likes red bananas now.

It's a complicated machine always dropping cool new shiny things to enable the monkeys in allowing themselves to be more effectively and completely controlled.

It might sound a little dodgy, but, stop watching commercials, popular television, listening to popular music, participating in anything popular or trendy, and especially avoid taking the advice of your friends and associates.
Purposely disenfranchise yourself, if only as an experiment while maintaining a charade of your usual self, and then start watching people from the outside, objectively, like everyone around you is a stranger.
You may start to see where the rubber meets the road with the pervasive subconscious social programming that equates essentially to mind control that permeates society on nearly all levels.

It's rather fascinating to watch all the mechanisms at work, and all the people dancing to the tune.

reply to post by Druscilla


Even more interesting is that when I make comments to close friends about many of the observations you've outlined in your post is the reactions of said friends.

It's as if I'm the wacky one for having a free will.

"You mean you didn't see that idiot on American Idol?"
"No. I don't enjoy making fun of mentally challenged people". "You're so weird. You need to lighten up."