Disillusioned and Angry – Where do I go from here?

I never once said he was angelic....I said he made mistakes, I said he changed his mind....There is no person in the world who is going to agree with another person 100%...to think there is is childish.

My point is...he did alot of good for MA, even the opposition talked of how he helped the state and the economy...isn't that what this country needs right now?

And no matter how much people think Ron Paul is the second coming or Obama isn't the liar I know he is....Ron does not have a chance and pushing for him at this late stage only puts the Traitor in Chief back in office.

All I am saying is why pick an America hating traitor who doesn't have a clue how to help the economy, or fire his arse and try someone else......that's what any successful business would do.

We owe allegiance to our country not to Obama or any other person.

Originally posted by timetothink
I never once said he was angelic....I said he made mistakes, I said he changed his mind....There is no person in the world who is going to agree with another person 100%...to think there is is childish.

My point is...he did alot of good for MA, even the opposition talked of how he helped the state and the economy...isn't that what this country needs right now?

And no matter how much people think Ron Paul is the second coming or Obama isn't the liar I know he is....Ron does not have a chance and pushing for him at this late stage only puts the Traitor in Chief back in office.

All I am saying is why pick an America hating traitor who doesn't have a clue how to help the economy, or fire his arse and try someone else......that's what any successful business would do.

We owe allegiance to our country not to Obama or any other person.

So your argument went from how awesome Romney is to how HE ISN'T OBAMA when your Romney argument got crushed? Seems like a typical ATS Romney back and forth.

You said Romney wasn't a liar and asked for proof of accusations. Proof was presented...now you're backpeddling to how he's not Obama.

Talking about not having leg to stand on.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by hawkiye

 

I have done the research.....you show me the proof...you are making the accusations....not Obama ad lies and fake journalists yelling crap at him...PROOF.

I have been watching him since he was governor and I have researched his biography from non-partial sources...not his website or RNC websites or the lies from the DNC...but the facts.

He is not evil, he is not a liar....he is just a man who is trying to do a good job, raise a family and like the rest of us sometimes in his life he changed his mind.

Who here has never changed their mind or evolved their thinking? If you haven't then you never grew.

His record in MA speaks for itself....he lowered the unemployment rate, drastically improved the educational system and brought both sides of the aisle together to get things done for the state....he approval ratings through his whole time reflected that...plus the fact he never took a salary from the taxpayers.....what evil man does that?

The politics and ideology of people in this country have blinded them to humanity, to just seeing a person for what they are.......sad.

Are you mentally challenged? I posted a video of him contradicting himself multiple times. Apparently you have not looked at his track record in Massivestupindess Obama care is modeled after his health care plan there. He was for abortion now hes against it. he was for stimulus now he is against it. On and on how are actual statements of him contradicting himself not proof and just Obama lies? These are statements he has made himself so you are either mentally challenged or just an emotionally attached blind follower who believes the lies about him just changing his mind Yeah he changes his mind whenever it is politically expedient his track record proves that.

Oh and his biography from non partial sources... LOL ;lol: care to show some proof they are non-partial and not paid?

This is why America is on so much trouble to many clowns who continue to believe the political hype and throw all reason logic and facts out the window despite the continued collapse of the economy and freedom and get all emotionally vested in the next political savior because he says the right things that tickles their ears... Sigh!

All I am saying is why pick an America hating traitor who doesn't have a clue how to help the economy, or fire his arse and try someone else......that's what any successful business would do.

You don't seem to get it Romney is not something else he is more of the same!

I never said he was awesome.....I think you are reading someone else's posts....I said he is a good man....and a hell of a alot better for this country than Obama and Ron doesn't have a chance.

You RP people must be taking conversation/debating lessons from the left.....not even worth the effort.

Good luck with your 4 years of Obama and his endless Executive Orders with noting holding him back. If we still have internet access I will be around to say "told ya so".


PS......Seabag........I am not a Bro...dude.

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He's the best there is....he is a decent man.....he's not Obama....he has better chance then Ron.....a million ways to put it.....2 choices are the reality, like it or not....pick one and quit whining.

My first choice was Cain....didn't get my way...I am supposed to keep carrying on like the RP people or move on?


I am moving on, standing behind who I think is best for my country......

Maybe everyone should stop being so selfish and think about who can help get America moving in the right direction.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by hawkiye

 

He's the best there is....he is a decent man.....he's not Obama....he has better chance then Ron.....a million ways to put it.....2 choices are the reality, like it or not....pick one and quit whining.

Would a decent man tie a dog to the top of a car for a 12 hr trip?

Would a decent man show contempt for The United States of America and the taxpayers by exporting jobs to China and India and voting in support of tax cuts to corporations that do? That's not decency in any decent mans book.

I didn't like Gary Johnson when he was the Gov. of New Mexico but he seems to have had an epiphany and got his mind right. I'll probably vote for him; a real decent man!!

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by hawkiye

 

He's the best there is....he is a decent man.....he's not Obama....he has better chance then Ron.....a million ways to put it.....2 choices are the reality, like it or not....pick one and quit whining.

My first choice was Cain....didn't get my way...I am supposed to keep carrying on like the RP people or move on?


I am moving on, standing behind who I think is best for my country......

Maybe everyone should stop being so selfish and think about who can help get America moving in the right direction.

Sorry but a choice between a crap sandwich and a crap sandwich with pickles is not a choice. Both are bad for the country so I am not picking either because they are both crap! I refuse to participate in the sham that I must endorse one brand of crap over the other and give my sanction to a corrupt system. You who vote are the ones who cannot complain because you enable these idiots and give the fraud your approval.

You are truly lost if you think Romney is good for this country. Enjoy your coolaid while you can all you are doing is stepping on the gas of the bus headed off a cliff thanks for dragging the rest of us with you... Sigh!

Romney, first supported the bailouts, then he didn't.

After being exposed on his flip flopping over TARP, he was asked a simple question in a live debate. He refused to say either yes or no to supporting another bailout, only making excuses.

People getting conned by this ACT better think again. If you can't see through it, then you can't see through anything.

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Why do you assume I am giving up because I do not participate in fraud? What's pathetic is participating in obvious corruption and calling it patriotic. What makes you think you have a right to tell anyone what to do via a vote?

I don’t think we’re far off here. I don’t view voting as participating in fraud. I’m not willing to concede the democratic practice of VOTING to a bunch of douche bag elitists. We need to vote out the corruption and stop letting TPTB control and manipulate OUR system.

I’m not telling anyone who to vote for I’m just stating my opinion, and that is people who don’t vote are contributing to the problem!

What do you hope to accomplish in voting in a corrupt system you admit doesn't work?

I never said the system didn’t work I said its been corrupted and we need to FIGHT to get it back…and you never answered....how does sitting it out help??

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My first choice was Cain....didn't get my way...I am supposed to keep carrying on like the RP people or move on?

Mine too!

It’s a shame that fell apart. I think we need the businessman type in there to fix things. On top of those qualifications, Cain was a true conservative.

It is what it is...

Originally posted by seabag

It appears that Johnson is absolutely the closest thing to RP….

I sure hope RP will change gears and join forces with Johnson after the convention otherwise we really won’t have a viable 3rd party candidate IMO. Those two together would be more powerful than Romney/Ryan or Obama/Biden with regard to galvanizing a solid base.

I agree the Paul and to some extent Johnson bases are rock-solid. The demand for liberty and a reversal of the increasingly authoritarian trend are of utmost importance to a great many people. Despite ideological differences wider alliances are possible as the libertarian, self-reliance principles are galvanizing and over-riding. I may agree with Johnson more closely than with Paul on many lesser issues but we all are together on those that are most pressing.

Paul is the iconic libertarian and he has a shot at a major-party nomination, an actual shot at the White House, perhaps even enough momentum as an independent. His chances are much greater than Gary Johnson's at this time. The media has finally seen the value in examining the third-party candidates, that is to say they have discovered the value in using them to splinter supporters away from Paul by examining their finer qualities and asking, "Wouldn't you really rather drive a Buick?" If the media pick up on any independent getting traction they will begin giving us up-close and inside coverage of the other independents in the race.

The movement will come together again in September and solidify behind some particular candidate that shares our common goals. A team effort with the right team in place could really pull off a great upset against the powers that be.

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you didint even address anything I asked you to do... you replied with anger... you lose

socialist leader? hahahaa... insinuating I am in line with Obama... hahaha too funny.

have a good day.

I’d like to believe all the garbage coming out of Mitt’s mouth but I just can’t after this Paul Ryan pick….

Originally posted by seabag


Sorry man to say this but to believe anything out of ANY politicians mouths these days, you're just diluting yourself. I'm not trying to sound pessimistic but it's just the truth. It's been this way for a long time now. They get up there and tell the same regurgitated crap over and over again. They tell the people what they want to hear,meanwhile they have no intentions of really following through with any of it. This goes for the left and the right. There is no REAL difference anymore.
Even if they did have pure intentions, do you really think they have the power to change anything? I hate to break it to you but the president does not have the power to do squat. It's big business, oil,banks,pharmaceuticals,defense,etc that have the true power. That said I think out of any politician or candidate that truly is for America and it's people is Ron Paul. Unfortunately there is NO way in hell he is getting into office. He is to much of a threat. Even if he did get elected he would mysteriously die in a plane crash or get some weird ass cancer before they let that happen. We saw what happened to the last guy who was really for the people. he was assassinated back Nov of 63. The powers that be will go to any length to stay in power. It's sad but it's the truth. You just can't put any kind of faith into politicians these days. They're all pawns in the game.
One way to fight back is to stop supporting as many of these businesses as possible. Try and find alternatives. I'm not trying to sound hokey but the people have to stand together and take it back. We need to stop bickering at each other over irrelevant crap and focus on the bigger picture. The media has done a wonderful job at putting a wedge between the "left and right". Now we the people constantly fight with one another and have become completely distracted from the real issues & threats. The media is largely responsible for this. We have got to start thinking for ourselves and stop putting faith into today's politicians.

Originally posted by paxnatus

Here is Paul Ryan on his economic views. This thread is an excellent overview of how Ryan can and will turn this economy around. Please read this thread which was created by a member whom previously voted for Obama but now, will definitely vote for Romney because Ryan is on his team.

I'm sorry Pax but you are completely delusional if you think Ryan(or any candidate for that matter) can "turn this economy around". Sorry. Because he is not going after the real problem. Whether you're just naive or agenda driven is irrelevant. Until they stop giving tax breaks to big business,(which Romney isn't going to do) continue to spend billions on defense and do away with the Federal Reserve, are economy is never getting turned around.To think otherwise is pure delusion. I don't care what candidate the government throws into office.Until we go after the real problems, this economy will continue to sink.

Where do you think the term "lie like a politican" comes from? I don't trust Romney. I go based on a person's actions and Romney said what he needed to say to secure the nom. The right is so Anti-Obama you can put a fruit cocktail on the ballot and they will vote for it over Obama. I support RP is because he has been consistent for 30 years. It's not because I'm a "Paul-bot" or whatever term people that are scared of change what to call us. I voted McCain in 08 because it was lesser of 2 evils.This time, I may not agree with everything, but RP's views are close to what I believe. If I'm the only person in my county voting for him then so be it. I took the Oath just like you brother and I will stand by it til the end. This country was founded on smaller government and liberty. Anyone that votes otherwise is voting against the Constitution.

There is no person in the world who is going to agree with another person 100%...to think there is is childish.

You're right we all have changed our minds but we are not all running for president!! That statement is just ridiculous. Come on now. It's one thing to change your mind but to change your beliefs on issues like these is apples and oranges. He has flip flopped so many times that it's just comical now. The fact is, like I said before, he will say WHATEVER to whomever to get into office. He is a phony just like every other politician out there. If you believe in Romney you've already lost. Wake up man.

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by timetothink

 

what proof do YOU have that admits the contrary? you coming into this thread attacking anyone who is anti-romney. how about you disprove what the others are saying instead of asking others to produce information. this is the internet age... a few clicks and you will find what you want.

go for it... not hard

gpo to the URL type in G O O G L E . C O M and then hit enter...

when the page comes up... type in what you're searching for.

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this isn't school or college... these aren't professors or teachers... they do not have information on demand like you're asking for. go find it yourself. people here are not going to spoon feed you what you want to see.

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better than 8 years of traitorous Romney...

evil... begets evil...

remember that.



This is part of the condescending you have done to me in this thread....and all I said to you is prove he is evil or a traitor....

You...big man...are the one doing all the trash talking to me and trying to get me to prove your points.

If you think he is a liar or evil then prove it...it is not up to me to disprove it.....

You are living in fantasyland.

show me public records of him hurting people when he was Governor, show proof he ever hurt anyone, or passed laws that hurt anyone....PROOF.

He never did.

Changing his mind from choice to prolife is not flipfopping or evil....
And every time he ever spoke of his personal beliefs he also said it was not his place or the Federal governments to tell people what to believe or do....

Gee where have I heard talk like that before????

Oh I know...Ron Paul!!!!!

Guess what....none of it matters because he will be the pick, RP will not....get over it.....and I would vote for brain in a jar before I would vote 3rd party and give Obama another 4 years.

Changing his mind from choice to prolife is not flipfopping or evil.... And every time he ever spoke of his personal beliefs he also said it was not his place or the Federal governments to tell people what to believe or do...

Oh man, you have already drank the cool aid. Good Night Irene. Are you really that naive and delusional? It's not just "choice to pro-life" that he has flipped flopped on. He has flip flopped on several issues. Do you really think Romney is going to save the day? You're much more on fantasy island then I thought. He also supported the Patriot Act which is BY FAR the worst threat to our constitution so far. End of discussion. You can cry Obama-Care all day long and it doesn't even come close to touching The Patriot Act and the damage that has caused. I don't care how you try and justify that one. When are you going to learn, stop putting faith in politicians!!!!

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Yup, the demo and repub side are both retards. The leaders that represent two totally different types of people (as we're lead to believe) do pretty much the exact same sh!t. Most people are too stupid to see that though (or they are trolls).

reply to post by wardk28

If I'm the only person in my county voting for him then so be it. I took the Oath just like you brother and I will stand by it til the end. This country was founded on smaller government and liberty. Anyone that votes otherwise is voting against the Constitution.

Great point about our oath.

I’m not sure a vote for RP is defending the constitution BUT I see where you’re going with it and I also respect your opinion as well as your service.

I want what’s best for the country. I know Romney isn’t THE BEST we can put forward for POTUS. I also don’t think for a minute that RP is the best we can put forward. RP is a guy who vowed to close all overseas bases and take on a policy of non-interventionism. For me, if it comes down to Romney or Obama (which apparently will happen since RP is polling @ 5-9%) then Romney will have my vote. I think that will satisfy my oath because anything else at that point is a vote for Obama, the anti-constitution POTUS.