Paul Ryan's position on economic issues

Originally posted by Xtrozero


A honest questions to the Democrats...

You wont find an Honest Democrat on ATS. At least one that will say anything negative, about Obama. That kool-aid is TOOOO Sweet.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
This is going to be a wild ride. Paul Ryan schooled Obama in 6:12 minutes on his health care plan.
I am glad Romney picked this intelligent man. He would make a good leader IMHO.

Whatever dirt gets flung at Ryan might as well be thrown at a fan.

Okay, this clinches it for me. I love this guy. I wish he was heading the ticket.

Originally posted by sonnny1

You wont find an Honest Democrat on ATS. At least one that will say anything negative, about Obama. That kool-aid is TOOOO Sweet.

It's very difficult for most to admit to making the wrong choices. Most of us will defend our decisions to the end, no matter how wrong we may have been at the time. Good thing is that most of us (through old age) mature and realize that we do make the best decisions based on the information we have at the time. Many times those decisions aren't the best. For some of us, most of those are actually quite bad.

Originally posted by Valhall

Excuse me...where does Obamacare eliminate the middle man? Can you point me to that part?

I agree.. that cotton swab will still cost 100 bucks...If anything it might cost more since Obamacare will wipe out the majority of healthcare providers.

Here is a simple point to all this...

Take cosmetic surgery, It is all paid for without insurance companies involved. My wife had her breasts done and it cost 6,000 dollars. She shopped around got an excellent doctor at the price she wanted. The doctor was a true craftsman of his work, great results, everyone was happy.

My friend is greatly over weight and he got by-pass surgery and the insurance would not pay for it since he didn't have a list of health issues just yet. Since this surgery is under the insurance umbrella it would cost him 35,000 dollars so he went to Mexico to a doctor who did a great job since he was able to shop around, and the whole thing cost 8,000 dollars.

I took one of my kids to the emergency room to get a small cut glued closed on his chin...6 hours later and 1100 dollar bill he was fixed. My other kid got pink eye on a holiday and I didn't want him to suffer for 3 or 4 days since everything else was closed and only the emergency room was my choice, oh great!! Well a friend told me about a clinic that was outside the insurance umbrella and only took cash, and I thought oh great again... I took him there, saw a nurse practitioner in less than 10 minutes, and she checked him out and gave me a prescription...the cost..... 20 dollar, cash... lol

If we put competition back into healthcare people will be able to shop around for the best doctors and doctors/hospitals will need to be competitive on cost, much like my wife's cosmetic surgeon was, or people will just not go to them. To do this, give people a health vouchers and let them shop around. Obamacare if anything, will eliminate any and all competition, allow the few insurance companies to charge whatever to the tax payers, create a system easily corrupted for profit etc..while reducing healthcare options for all Americans...

I would rather see the 30 million Americans who do not have healthcare coverage get vouchers and not force the other 270 million down some inferior Obamacare tunnel of no way out.


As I said before...it doesn't matter how bad Ronmey is... Obama is worst..., But I can say I really like the Ryan pick though.

Originally posted by sonnny1


You wont find an Honest Democrat on ATS. At least one that will say anything negative, about Obama. That kool-aid is TOOOO Sweet.

That's a little harsh. There's some honest ones. There's some really dishonest Republicans as well. It's pretty even. If everyone would just be honest we'd get back to the ability to compromise and start fixing things. There are valid points on both sides of the aisle on MOST issues. Problem is the big-mouth radicals are the ones that end up tanking the process and we either get nowhere, or worse yet, in a worse place.

We are so screwed!

People on this thread and others are citing the great plans and accomplishments of Ryan as if he was running for Prez himself....but he's not.

He is the VP pick and he will just play the roll of backseat fodder as he runs around the country espousing the greatness of Romney's ideals. Problem is that Romney doesn't have any.

Is that why people are vamping on Ryan? Romney has nothing to offer and somehow Ryan now validates the ticket?

Why are kidding ourselves?

It's amazing how people are willing to lie to themselves and throw common sense out the window when they want something so bad.

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I asked a Democrat yesterday about Fast and Furious, its implications, and WHY the Obama Administration, hasn't done more, for the victims like Brian Terry, and the Mexicans who have died because of failed policy's.

His Answer?

Play dumb. Bring up Bush. Obfuscation.

Thats what I get on ATS, when it comes to Obama. Its not harsh. Its a fact. And Yes, you have Republicans doing it also as well. I just wont sugar-coat what I see anymore.




Like I said, Sweet.......

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
We are so screwed!

People on this thread and others are citing the great plans and accomplishments of Ryan as if he was running for Prez himself....but he's not.

He is the VP pick and he will just play the roll of backseat fodder as he runs around the country espousing the greatness of Romney's ideals. Problem is that Romney doesn't have any.

Is that why people are vamping on Ryan? Romney has nothing to offer and somehow Ryan now validates the ticket?

Why are kidding ourselves?

It's amazing how people are willing to lie to themselves and throw common sense out the window when they want something so bad.

OMG! Seriously? I voted for Obama in 2008 because I didn't want the moron known as Sarah Palin anywhere near the white house. I don't believe for a minute that Romney chose a sound vice-presidential running mate with years of budgetary work and experience so that Ryan can sit in his office and play tiddly-winks.

Get real.

Originally posted by Valhall
I don't agree with you. Bush didn't just steal a pack of cigarettes and, yes, his military machine led to the beginning of an out-of-control national debt. The PATRIOT Act was NOT just a pack of cigarrettes...it's an abomination. And the man literally did say that the constitution was just a piece of paper. I'm not giving him any breaks on his own sins.

I guess my point is that Bush's Patriot Act should have been done away with in Obama's first year in office, if he followed his promises. Not only has he not done away with it he has greatly improved it, and greatly reduced our freedoms more.

Obama is so narcissistic that he thinks he can do a better job in anything that he has put people into, he thinks he is smarter than everyone and knows what is "best" for us. Bush was over the top with the Patriot Act, but we know his reasons, so what are Obama's reasons....they sure are not the same as what Bush's were.

"No one disputes that President Obama inherited a difficult situation. And, in his first two years, with his party in complete control of Washington, he passed nearly every item on his agenda. But that didn't make things better," Ryan said. "In fact, we find ourselves in a nation facing debt, doubt and despair. ..."

"Whatever the explanations, whatever the excuses, this is a record of failure." ~ Paul Ryan VP

Cant fault him here.

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OMG! Seriously? I voted for Obama in 2008 because I didn't want the moron known as Sarah Palin anywhere near the white house. I don't believe for a minute that Romney chose a sound vice-presidential running mate with years of budgetary work and experience so that Ryan can sit in his office and play tiddly-winks. Get real.

I agree....Palin is a moron.

Also, if Ryan has all this experience, would it not be safe to say that he has been part of the problem? He has been in office fighting Democrats, not working to solve problems with his so-called knowledge.

Romney is such an empty suit that in just a few hours Ryan has become the life-preserver keeping interest in the Republican ticket alive. But he doesn't offer anything new. It's all status quo.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Xtrozero


A honest questions to the Democrats...

You wont find an Honest Democrat on ATS. At least one that will say anything negative, about Obama. That kool-aid is TOOOO Sweet.

I didn't ask those questions to start a argument, just wanted to know what drives Democrats to still want to vote for the man after he has basically failed them with every promise he made. And to be quite honest in asking, is their life better off now than it was in 2005?

I voted for Bush the first time, but not the second time. I didn't vote at all with Obama/McCain, I will vote for Romney this time more against Obama than for Romney, but with Ryan on the ticket now I'm leaning for a "for" vote.

After Bush's four years I was like, ok we are really for another guy...So I just do not understand how so many people are still willing to throw themselves under the bus still for Obama with his true level of "ineptocracy".

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I dispute what Obama inherited he wanted the job,he ran for the job, he was "elected" for the job who has done nothing to "fix" anything and the classic defense blame other things and other people is crap.

Now that Romney has picked Ryan as VP get ready for 4 more of the great big blame game he knew absolutely what he was getting in to.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by sonnny1

 

I dispute what Obama inherited he wanted the job,he ran for the job, he was "elected" for the job who has done nothing to "fix" anything and the classic defense blame other things and other people is crap.

Now that Romney has picked Ryan as VP get ready for 4 more of the great big blame game he knew absolutely what he was getting in to.

edit on 11-8-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

THIS, you are only going to see the continuation of the Bush / Obama policies - of which do not work. It is stated earlier that Romney fails, just vote in someone else......but when you are talking trillions of dollars in deficit spending EVERY YEAR, just how much longer do we have?

(how well did the 7 trillion spent by the the global central banks work out for the economy?)

Originally posted by sheepslayer247


Also, if Ryan has all this experience, would it not be safe to say that he has been part of the problem? He has been in office fighting Democrats, not working to solve problems with his so-called knowledge.

Please define "fighting". If you mean he was fighting for something the Democrats opposed, I'm going to have to concur. In that video I saw a man who was offering to compromise and work with Obama on the healthcare issue. I didn't see a man who was being defiant and a stonewall.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Valhall
I don't agree with you. Bush didn't just steal a pack of cigarettes and, yes, his military machine led to the beginning of an out-of-control national debt. The PATRIOT Act was NOT just a pack of cigarrettes...it's an abomination. And the man literally did say that the constitution was just a piece of paper. I'm not giving him any breaks on his own sins.

I guess my point is that Bush's Patriot Act should have been done away with in Obama's first year in office, if he followed his promises. Not only has he not done away with it he has greatly improved it, and greatly reduced our freedoms more.

Obama is so narcissistic that he thinks he can do a better job in anything that he has put people into, he thinks he is smarter than everyone and knows what is "best" for us. Bush was over the top with the Patriot Act, but we know his reasons, so what are Obama's reasons....they sure are not the same as what Bush's were.

Well, I can't argue with that.

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All I needed was to read the first couple sentences....if you are a true Republican why would you have voted for an obvious Marxist fabian socialist who talks about "spreading the wealth"? Perhaps you have a different idea on what Republicanism is, but Marxist socialist it aint no way no how.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
All I needed was to read the first couple sentences....if you are a true Republican why would you have voted for an obvious Marxist fabian socialist who talks about "spreading the wealth"? Perhaps you have a different idea on what Republicanism is, but Marxist socialist it aint no way no how.

Well, my brother, over the past 4 years, said I didn't listen well. I have accepted that he is right. No, I know exactly what the foundation of Republicanism is. My brain wasn't working well 4 years ago. That's my defense. I wanted change and I heard words that convinced me of change. I didn't want Palin and that McCain could burn his first VERY important decision on a dim-wit like her was enough for me to know I couldn't vote for him.

Don't question my own statement of what my political views are. You don't even know me.