Dr Sal's Warning

reply to post by drphilxr

Originally posted by hirenumradia
Hi,

I don't have time to dig much right now but I thought this might be helpful for the discussion.

I found some papers written by a conti, S along with other researchers on the Harvard site under the SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS) section of their educational abacus.

There are papers from a S,conti on the page pre 1994 however I noticed those papers are related to universities in Geneva, Switzerland. The papers from 1994 to 2011 all have relationships with Italian universities. The dates match up with the google+ account and his recollection of events which is interesting.

Also, the name sergio is used which is likely a different alias.. maybe a pen name. Instead of arguing over the information lets just dig deeper. Only digging for dirt is helpful at this stage as I personally don't know what to think and im sure many other people are in the same boat.

Co-operation and not separation people.

Here is the link bellow:

adsabs.harvard.edu...


Cheers

reply to post by mazzroth

At any rate, NASA should be able to protect us from the bad ole Van Allen belts, since they managed to do it for Apollo with what amounts to aluminum foil....unless that was a lie?

reply to post by autopat51

Um, no.
Crazy is crazy, and as far as this guy goes, many have done it way better than him.
Nothing he says adds up, period.

Originally posted by ViktorHaze
reply to post by r2d246

 

But why?
What would be the point in such a useless deception?
It gains nothing.
Let me guess, it spreads fear right?
If that is the best they can do, why would anyone be remotely afraid of such juvenile, imbecilic creatures?
Only someone who actually believes in nonsense would fall for such a stupid ruse....
So tell me, why?

edit on 11-8-2012 by ViktorHaze because: additional thought

Ahhhh brother.... what would be the point of deception? Come on get real this is the ATS forum. Look the bottom line is this. The devil wants you in hell when you die. So this whole thing read to nasa scientists that they were talking to aleins from another planet. "decpetion" can't you see? So then if this guy is telling the truth, he leaks it, as truth. So you hear it and think "okay there's aliens out there'. Get real. If you play with a weegee board you get the same kind of communications. You don't talk directly to anyone it's the way they communicate. They won't reveal too much. Just enough to get a message across of some nature.

reply to post by ViktorHaze


I did not say at all about Y2K being the 'End of The World'. The end of the world, doesn't have to refer to doom. Our world is made up of banking, politics, celebrities, MSM, obamacare, and etc. If it were to all crash, that would be considered the end of our world. The end of the world does not have to mean the end of humanity/civilization, either. It's only silly people who don't understand the energies that are occurring, and so every time we pass a significant landmark; somebody thinks it effects the world in a negative light.

Originally posted by ViktorHaze
reply to post by r2d246

 

Then why don't they attack everybody?
Why not me?
I'm a prime candidate, non-believer, not easily swayed by emotion...
Let me guess, it's happened I just didn't realise that it was demons...
Then that brings me back to my original statement...imbecilic, juvenile, blah, blah...

Maybe they don't want you to know they exist. Maybe they don't want you to believe a word, that they're enemy (me) is telling you, maybe they want you to believe exactly as you believe right now. That it's all hog wash. They don't want you to think, know, experience anything outside the box.

reply to post by r2d246

Well that's pretty pointless.
Anybody in their right mind knows that somewhere, out there, aliens exist/existed.
The only debate is whether we in fact have been contacted, ever, and there is no evidence for this except personal testimony.
Pictures don't count, even if real. They don't prove it's a craft from elsewhere.
Less people believe in your god than believe in your dog.
No deception necessary.
According to your theory, that means more of us are going to hell than heaven.
I'd say that's a big win for the red guy.
So, with demons, please.....

reply to post by drphilxr


Sorry if this is a repost. I can't dig anything up on what his middle initial could be, but I did find two matches for "Salvatore Conti" residing in Texas (he mentioned working for the past 22 years at Houston). The two matches PROBABLY indicate the same person, as both have the letter "V" as their middle initial. One is listed in Austin, TX, approximately 200 miles and a 3.5 hour commute to the Houston NASA center. The other is listed in Bellaire, TX, approximately 30 miles and a 40 minute commute to the Houston NASA center. Kind of interesting.

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

I didn't say you did, but a whole lot of people at that time did.
I laughed at them then as I laugh at those who think this guy is "for reals" now.
All those things you mention would merely be a collapse of civilisation to Victorian levels...hardly the end of the world.
Unpleasant?
Yes.
But so are hemorrhoids.

Originally posted by ViktorHaze
reply to post by Ilyich

 

I don't disagree with you on any one point, except that this man may be telling the truth.
He's not.
Well maybe he's telling his truth, but it's not the truth.

Okay, so let's stop arguing and work this out.

Our solar system stretches roughly Someone worked out the math earlier, and it was something close to 24 500 AU for our Light speed communications for these messages to have been sent and received. There is much we do not know about our own solar system. It extends out Far beyond pluto, far beyond the dwarf planets, Hundreds if not thousands of sattelites, Millions, maybe trillions of Asteroids and comets. Here is some wiki data.

Semi-major axis of outer planet (Neptune) 4.503 billion km (30.10 AU)
Distance to Kuiper cliff 50 AU
No. of stars 1
No. of planets 8
No. of known dwarf planets 5 (dozens more awaiting confirmation, possibly hundreds)
No. of known natural satellites 401 (176 of planets[1] and 225 of minor planets[2])
No. of known minor planets 587,527[1]
No. of known comets 3,155[1]
No. of identified round satellites 19
Orbit about the Galactic Center
Inclination of invariable plane to the galactic plane 60.19° (ecliptic)
Distance to Galactic Center 27,000±1,000 ly
Orbital speed 220 km/s
Orbital period 225–250 Myr
Star-related properties
Spectral type G2V
Frost line 2.7 AU
Distance to heliopause ~120 AU
Hill sphere radius ~1–2 ly

Boundaries
See also: Vulcanoid asteroid, Planets beyond Neptune, Nemesis (hypothetical star), and Tyche (hypothetical planet)

"Much of the Solar System is still unknown. The Sun's gravitational field is estimated to dominate the gravitational forces of surrounding stars out to about two light years (125,000 AU). Lower estimates for the radius of the Oort cloud, by contrast, do not place it farther than 50,000 AU.[103] Despite discoveries such as Sedna, the region between the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud, an area tens of thousands of AU in radius, is still virtually unmapped. There are also ongoing studies of the region between Mercury and the Sun.[104] Objects may yet be discovered in the Solar System's uncharted regions."

Taking into consideration distance alone, it is plausible somewhere with in our or near our solar system, some sort of ET intelligence could exist. Is this not probable? Just because it exists, and is intelligent does not mean we need to understand it at this point, if this Sal checks out They exist period. Where they are who knows? The video states, that the message was caught by fluke, and was transmitted from roughly the region of the nearest star, but they could not define if it did in fact originate there, and that really they had no clue where it came from, because it's seemingly impossible for it to have come from the nearest stars.

This could mean something can exist elsewhere, whether it be a ship, colony what have you. If we would like to think the ET needs time to decipher our messages, well being even half of 24,000+ AU that leaves a whole lot of space we know absolutely little or nothing about, The Oort cloud is estimated at 50,000 AU and we have discovered all sorts of "Dwarf Planets, or trans Neptunian objects." As well, suspect many more could very well exist.

I believe sedna is the furthest yet discovered, trans neptunian object.

"90377 Sedna (525.86 AU average) is a large, reddish object with a gigantic, highly elliptical orbit that takes it from about 76 AU at perihelion to 928 AU at aphelion and takes 12,050 years to complete" Sedna is thought to be much like the other gas giants with in the solar system, for instance jupiter which believe it or not give off quite a fair amount of heat, as well as other types of radiation. We here on Earth presume life with in the universe will follow our same basic blueprint. Light, plus water, plus minerals and lightning built the building blocks for life, it evolved with the light and radiation from our sun. Is it not therefore plausible that other life could be formed around different types of radiation and it's effects on minerals with say liquid methane, or another gas?

Just thoughts to think of. There very well could be life in our solar system other than us, how much it resembles us or if we could even recognize it your guess is as good as mine. Do I make valid suggestions towards our topic?

Our focus should and must remain on PROVING the mans credentials. The difficulty, is discerning the spelling of his name from audio as well as using the correct search engines, values, and databases.

Can we agree to work together to Prove, or disprove this video?

Originally posted by ViktorHaze
reply to post by r2d246

 

Well that's pretty pointless.
Anybody in their right mind knows that somewhere, out there, aliens exist/existed.
The only debate is whether we in fact have been contacted, ever, and there is no evidence for this except personal testimony.
Pictures don't count, even if real. They don't prove it's a craft from elsewhere.
Less people believe in your god than believe in your dog.
No deception necessary.
According to your theory, that means more of us are going to hell than heaven.
I'd say that's a big win for the red guy.
So, with demons, please.....

Well if you don't believe anything why are you on this forum. Over a billion people believe in the Christian God. It's not my theory it's in the bible in regard to hell. The red guy and demons don't win, they don't rule hell. They burn there with everyone else.

reply to post by autopat51


Very well said. There is no way to prove this.

reply to post by Ilyich


I don't think you'd ever figure anything out if even the nasa people couldn't. Which supports my thoughts about this whole communcation.

Hey I really like your icon who is the artist?

reply to post by r2d246

Believing in demons and angels and gods is thinking outside the box?
Since when?
That garbage has polluted mankind since the first shyster came along and convinced the rest of the tribe to give him all their stuff or the great sky monster or whatever would destroy them.
I THINK, period.
Outside, inside, around and under the box.
Never found a reason to believe in any of that.
Didn't need convincing either, by demons, angels, gods, toothfairy's, talking crickets, or flying donkeys.

Originally posted by FromTheAlphaAndOmega
reply to post by Druscilla

 

with you comment of "My credentials regarding Earth Sciences, Geology, and a host of other concentrations of academic focus, I'll wager, are at least a decade more knowledgeable regarding these 'things' you claim I 'can't begin to understand'. "

Unless you completely understand pan dimensional physics, then I stand on the same point I made before. You can't begin to understand things that you cant think of. I don't pretend to understand everything. But I still see the pattens in the weather and geology. You shouldn't pretend like you understand more than you do.

I shall not post a link but point you to a point in time. The next week or so will be a taste of whats to come.

I'll put my hand up here and say that I do have a pretty good grasp of pan-dimensional physics. It is highly likely that it isn't what you think it is.

I tend to think that both Dr Sal and his 'message' is bogus.

The implications of the things he is saying run contrary to what we know of physics and astronomy.

133 days seems far too short for sub-luminal communication to our distant space 'space brothers'.

Pole shifts cannot overcome the inertia of almost an entire planet's mass of iron and therefore cannot occur in the timeframe suggested.

The HiVolt tether may be able to allow for the de-ionisation of the Van Allen Belt, but so would its collapse to the Earth, so I'm not sure why you'd even try. Also, the Van Allen belt provides an isolating barrier for cosmic radiation (and to some extent concentrates it out in space away from us) this radiation would reach us if the ionisation was gone and the concentrated radioactive particle cloud itself may 'fall' with the belt causing worse problems. No physicist would suggest the diffusion of one of the Earth's defences as possible or even a sensible solution to the collapse of the belt.

reply to post by r2d246


I'm simply trying to motivate individuals to stop saying Boohoo He's lying based on content of the video, math, or location of nearest stars. We are not capable of disproving this video on these facts alone. We are searching for life on Mars are we not? We'd like to look at Jupiters moons, saturns moons. Why would it be impossible for another heat producing gas giant to support some kind of life FURTHER than we can investigate at this point in time?

Here is what we have, verbal pronounciation of name, school, dates of start and graduation, PHD, date of birth, town and country of birth, brief overview of his employment history. Let's focus on these things please. We've found few leads, but they require money to investigate further, how ever not many people are completely invisible on the internet these days so somewhere in the billions of pages something could be found. Let's have at it folks.

reply to post by Ilyich

That was me that worked out the math.
And yes, that wall of text you put up has valid points...
Except,
If they were advanced enough to contact us (intelligence in our solar system, that is), why start in 97?
Why tell us about something we can't fix and is going to kill us, and they ain't coming to the rescue?
Why not just wait it out and move in after we're gone?
You see what I'm saying?
Math aside, the story makes no sense unless it is a preamble to why we all need together and have a big 'ole hug.
It smacks of new age fairy dust and tinkerbells.

Originally posted by chr0naut

Originally posted by FromTheAlphaAndOmega
reply to post by Druscilla

 

with you comment of "My credentials regarding Earth Sciences, Geology, and a host of other concentrations of academic focus, I'll wager, are at least a decade more knowledgeable regarding these 'things' you claim I 'can't begin to understand'. "

Unless you completely understand pan dimensional physics, then I stand on the same point I made before. You can't begin to understand things that you cant think of. I don't pretend to understand everything. But I still see the pattens in the weather and geology. You shouldn't pretend like you understand more than you do.

I shall not post a link but point you to a point in time. The next week or so will be a taste of whats to come.

I'll put my hand up here and say that I do have a pretty good grasp of pan-dimensional physics. It is highly likely that it isn't what you think it is.

I tend to think that both Dr Sal and his 'message' is bogus.

The implications of the things he is saying run contrary to what we know of physics and astronomy.

133 days seems far too short for sub-luminal communication to our distant space 'space brothers'.

Pole shifts cannot overcome the inertia of almost an entire planet's mass of iron and therefore cannot occur in the timeframe suggested.

Please elaborate? I am to understand our core produces our Magnetic field, I'm also to understand drastic changes are to occur for such a Magnetic pole # to occur. How long do you project for enough of a deviation, change with in the dynamo effect for the field to collapse. His understanding from the transmission was a pole shift/collapse of the magnetosphere. He as well as his colleagues have interpretted Shift from the data, but it could simply outline the collapse itself. Do we have means to measure the dynamo, effect with in the core? Can we tell if it is changing other than pole deviation, this has occurred in the past, over many years how ever what causes it, could these causes be increased by any means?

At the very least it's a fascinating thought experiment, would you not agree? Nothing is impossible, physics has proved this time and again through out history.