Sol 3's images just in. All in glorious colour!

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
reply to post by ReAwakened

 

Ok I'll bite.
Using your own logic, I KNOW NASA is telling the truth, and all that they say should be taken as 'gospel'. I don't need any evidence for this, I just know, just like you can't prove that love exists, you know it does.
So tell me how your argument is better than mine, using your logic?

Because skepticism is always better, a much better indicator of keen intellect then, say, braying acceptance.

reply to post by sprtpilot


Oh I'm pretty sceptical. Sceptical of all the nonsense I see written in various forms throughout the internet, claiming this or that without any proof or evidence. At least NASA makes an attempt at providing evidence to their claims, not just a "I KNOW" or "I feel", like most of the NASA sceptics.

But I guess because I am not sceptical to the exact same things you are sceptical about, that makes me a braying accepter, right?

i know this is a conspiracy website but why do people keep derailing the threads related to the curiosity mission?

this thread is about the images that nasa is giving us. and people just wanna talk about them really. what does a person believing that major league baseball and nasa are the same have to do with the pictures?

if you have some conspiracy related to this mission, or skepticism, why not start a thread to discuss it all there?

i will say these people are really part of the chinese space program and they are here to discredit nasa. i have no physical evidence. you just have to wake up and escape the matrix because TPTB have you brainwashed with their mkultra . bigfoot told me that he heard this from aliens who were making crop circles!

reply to post itegamer23


People just like to complain. The status quo seems to be to debunk the truth. Irrational thoughts creat delusions.

I fail to see how the co shooting could permeate into this thread, But alas it did.

Each to his own.

'Now where are todays photos?

Originally posted by ReAwakened
reply to post by magma

 

I can't give you the "EVIDENCE" I don't have it. But i KNOW.

LMAO!

One cannot claim the intellectual high ground with an unfalsifiable claim. It's actually a sign of intellectual cowardess. BTW.... typing in CAPS doesn't make it any more true.

IRM

Ummm...Is this it?!?

Thumbnails?!?!?!?

Even if i click FULL RES i get a Thumb...Wtf....

reply to post by Miccey


for the moment yes. High res will follow in the coming days/weeks

Mars has a blue sky?!?!? If so, does this mean atmosphere?

reply to post by bkfd54


Mars doesn't have a blue sky, just because some "Alien of Andromeda" made some fake image in Photoshop.
However, it DOES have an atmosphere, although far less dense than Earth's. It's mostly CO2. A quick googling would give you all the information you need:

en.wikipedia.org...

The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around 30 pascals (0.0044 psi) on Olympus Mons's peak to over 1,155 pascals (0.1675 psi) in the depths of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 pascals (0.087 psi), compared to Earth's sea level average of 101.3 kilopascals (14.69 psi), and a total mass of 25 teratonnes, compared to Earth's 5148 teratonnes. However, the scale height of the atmosphere is about 11 kilometres (6.8 mi), somewhat higher than Earth's 7 kilometres (4.3 mi). The atmosphere on Mars consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen, 1.6% argon, and contains traces of oxygen, water, and methane, for a mean molar mass of 43.34 g/mol.[1][5] The atmosphere is quite dusty, giving the Martian sky a light brown or orange color when seen from the surface; data from the Mars Exploration Rovers indicate that suspended dust particles within the atmosphere are roughly 1.5 micrometres across.

Very un-inspiring...

What's the difference between this photo from Mars,



And this one from Earth?

Originally posted by Just Chris
Very un-inspiring...

What's the difference between this photo from Mars,

And this one from Earth?

Maybe, for starters, if i take a sample of "some rocks" on Earth, I will find life?

Originally posted by ReAwakened
Come on guys! They will show us nothing! These are pictures of Tatooine from the George Lucas archive.

Everyone reading this should be smart enough to know that we are not part of the "Informed Circle"

NASA is solely for our entertainment.

The Real space exploration program is not NASA. And WE will NEVER know it's real name!

Much less it's findings.

The Elite have always held Knowledge of such things "Sacred", for thousands of years.

We only learn of "new" things when it is considered old/ trash by the elite.

Sorry but I'm a Realist. So let's be REAL here and stop diluting ourselves, as if we are part of the informed.

Because WE are NOT!

You know, at times I do dance back and forth with what you have proposed. The science and math behind it can easily end after blasting the rocket off, then based on calculations phony CGI and return data from a pre programmed tracking software the landing so many miles away who can check?? My issue with almost every space mission, is how do you calculate for asteroid/comet collision? there are literally endless amounts of debris in space intersecting any given path from every possible direction at insane speeds. Some so fast and small that upon detection it would be too late. I personally have not heard of a mission yet being felled by a comet,asteroid, meteor, and even here on Earth we seem to discover rocks the size of states on pure fluke now and then, actually more often than you think. They just aren't always coming to Earth. In the last 20 years there have been impacts with jupiter we had no clue happened until after they hit. Impacts with the Mars, the moon and even Earth.

I'm sure there are measures taken to attempt to avoid said catastrophes but it's the only thing that has deterred me from believing any of the missions are real. The asteroid belt is another big bell for me for anything outside of it. That's a pretty tough guess if you ask me. I'm on the fence with man being on the moon but I can't find anything credible to suggest otherwise. The biggest claim to being there is the mirrors, but they could easily be placed with unmanned probes, and why haven't we gone back? I'd think the moon has a whole lot to tell us about it's geology, structure, as well as some valuable data regarding Earth.

I can understand how someone can be skeptical, and at times I am a little over zealous myself, but I find it hard to believe these missions are not occurring. It seems such a waste of valuable scientists, and money to be a complete facade.

I'm going to look up meteorite impacts with space missions now, because it's sparked my curiosity.

One question, does anyone know if they put a color card on the rover, so they could calibrate the picture correctly? I mean put a "RGB" - card, where it could be photographed, and later used to calibrate the color correctly?

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
At least NASA makes an attempt at providing evidence to their claims, not just a "I KNOW" or "I feel", like most of the NASA sceptics.

First of all, your arguement here is totally bogus ... what evidence does NASA provide. Pictures?

Hey, I can show pictures of my grandma ... and let me tell ya, she's one spooky old lady. Is that proof of alien life? or is it proof, of the non-existance of alien life?

If all you do, is accept NASA, and see those who critizise it as "freaks" who "feel" things. Than NASA is a religious organisation to you, and you're not interrested in Science.

Science, is part of philosophy ... you aren't merely supposed to, you are REQUIRED to even question your own existance.

reply to post by bjarneorn


What on Earth are you talking about?

NASA provides tonnes of data, all written down and documented for the world to see. If NASA was to turn round and just say 'hey, I've been to Mars', with no evidence, do you think I wouldn't question it?

Even if NASA did only provide one picture, that would still be 100% more evidence then what the NASA naysayers have provided, not only in this thread, but every thread since Curiosity touched down.

Refute that claim? Proove it.

Originally posted by zatara

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Yeah, very beautifull pictures...but boring. Probably because there is nothing much to see in a dessert.

Still ...I could be terrible wrong of course....but my intuition says there is something wrong with these pictures with a horizon.. The same feel I get with these horizon pictures made by Apollo astronauts on the moon.

Whats wrong with that. Nice mountain range blurr in the back stretched along the horizont. Calm desert tartan-like surface. Idylic photos. It makes me want to relocate to Mars. A doc pepper dispenser would be fine, looks hot over there.

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

Are you interested to see if Mars once harboured life?

Not really.. What are the odds for that if you look at the location of Mars within the solar system. It better stop bouncing about and start drilling for inorganic ores to make some damn money for future travel.

Soo has anyone taken SCREENSHOT of the thumbnail present at the
mainpage?

Who knows, they might decide some of them are not for public eyes..
Screens might indicate wich one they were....

reply to post by bjarneorn


That is exactly why you are not a scientist

Your logic is skewed

Thanks for the laugh though

Originally posted by amazing
You could be right, but...There's some explaining. like all those people at NASA (The control room that watched the landing) None of them were the elite and most of them appeared to believe the landing was real. Not to mention that with thousands of people working on this project there would have to be a few whistleblowers by now. I think we did land there.

Not only that, but (apparently) most people are not aware that this mission has the contribution of several countries, and some are responsible for their own experiments aboard Curiosity: the ChemCam was made by the Los Alamos National Laboratory and CESR (France), the Environmental Monitoring Station has an ultraviolet sensor from Spain (the investigative team is lead by a Spanish scientist, with the Finnish Meteorological Institute as a partner), the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer was developed by the Canadian Space Agency (the science team has members from University of Guelph, the University of New Brunswick, the University of Western Ontario, NASA, the University of California, San Diego and Cornell University), the radiation assessment detector was developed by the US and German scientists and the Dynamic Albedo of Neutrons (to detect hydrogen or water on the surface) is from Russia.