open carry illegal stop - when the president follows the constitution - I will....

Originally posted by blamethegreys
Here's the thing, maybe for folks not from the US:

The right to bear arms is protected by the highest law of the land: The Constitution.

There is no right to not feel alarmed.

Violating a 'breaching the peace' statute would be a much lower law...state or local ordinance type thing. A constitutional right trumps such an arbitrary rule.

A lot of state constitutions also have the right to bear arms in their Articles. The police are (may be) breaking several, very serious, laws in the OP's video of the creepy looking guy.

Only way he is going to have a chance at stopping this is to file a law suit and win a judgment for money and an order to the policy enforcers to stop harassing citizens. Other then that he will just continue to deal with ignorant policy enforcers like this.

If the police union took responsibility for those they represent, and said we will not defend you if you are found to be in violation of your oath.you will be terminated, lose your pension and be unable to work in law enforcement again.
This would stop overnight.
The care much more about their pensions than they do any restrictions that the law places on them.
Their unions do more harm to the people than half of you realize and they go to great lengths to protect even the most vile of police officers.
It would not be an unreasonable request that each cop must be certified every year in his understanding of citizens rights,
I would speculate that the conversation those officers had with each other afterwards was something like " That guy had a lot of nerve questioning my authority over him."

I carry a gun because a policeman is too heavy

When the President follows the Constitution, you will?

Is that going to be your defence in a court of law? Good luck to you, Sir.

Actually, today's police are in between a rock and a hard place when it comes to things like this. Notice how it is mentioned that a citizen had called in about this person. If the police respond, the person in question thinks its harassment. If the police do not respond, the caller gets pissed because "five o" didnt respond to his or her complaint and they complain to the police department, city hall, and the local media that the police are not doing their jobs.

I know the area and I was just down there last weekend. I have open carried in PA before and NEVER had an issue.
If you open carry, you should almost expect this kind of thing because most people are not aware that PA is an open carry state, therefore they will call the police when they see it. I know ignorance is not an excuse and I am not defending anyone.

To me this man seems like a sort of "troll" just walking up and down the street waiting for the police to come. The amount of times he was stopped by them went from 5 to 6 to 7...well which is it?

That is why I carry concealed and avoid all that BS. Apparently the man in this video is unable to open carry but I am a little confused. Maybe someone can clear it up for me. He said something about having a marijuana possession. Would that have been a felony? If it was a felony why is he able to even purchase a gun to open carry?
What exactly is preventing him from carrying concealed?

Originally posted by 1BornPatriot
police admits to violating this citizens rights and pisses on his oath.
francis pennysac had his video recorder and got this on video.

Also part of the problem is.. thinking you can derive your rights from people that do not give a sh!t about your rights. Just do whatever you wanna do until the day you die. We live once.

I don’t dispute they're are bad cops running around out there. There are most definitely. But there's also bad people out there doing horrible things. I think with how bad the economy is getting, etc..; people need to find ways to vent their everyday stresses. The world is not a better place, it is only getting worse.

I say let all police officers take a leave of absence for 1 day, and we’ll see how safe the world is when no one's there. You must understand that I don’t speak for ALL police. Many years ago, I was saved by a police officer, and would probably be dead if he wasn’t there to provide help from a mob of drunken idiots at 2:00 am. While I was being attached, he pulled me out of the crowd and got me in his police car. Not only did I sustain injuries, he did as well when getting me out of the crowd. While being attached, I had stopped breathing and he used CPR.

I think people need to ask the question as to why a lot of cops are going bad. The world doesn't seem to be a safe place for anyone. Not for you, me, or the police.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
I know the area and I was just down there last weekend. I have open carried in PA before and NEVER had an issue.
If you open carry, you should almost expect this kind of thing because most people are not aware that PA is an open carry state, therefore they will call the police when they see it. I know ignorance is not an excuse and I am not defending anyone.

To me this man seems like a sort of "troll" just walking up and down the street waiting for the police to come. The amount of times he was stopped by them went from 5 to 6 to 7...well which is it?

That is why I carry concealed and avoid all that BS. Apparently the man in this video is unable to open carry but I am a little confused. Maybe someone can clear it up for me. He said something about having a marijuana possession. Would that have been a felony? If it was a felony why is he able to even purchase a gun to open carry?
What exactly is preventing him from carrying concealed?

edit on 11-8-2012 by Acid_Burn2009 because: (no reason given)

He said he couldn't get a CCL due to the drug charge. It is state by state. Apparently in PA a drug misdemeanor is sufficient to be rejected. THAT or he omitted the misdemeanor on his application and he was rejected for submitting a false application.

" When the president starts following the Constitution; I will" -Police Officer.

wow...., just wow

and when they say, well people called cause they were alarmed, he should have said well it's not my problem that the majority of people don't know their own rights or the laws of their States.

These videos are very important, and I hope to see more and more, because they are spreading knowledge, and knowledge is power, especially when it comes to your Constitutional rights as an American Citizen.

If you are uncomfortable around someone who is carrying a pistol in a theater then it is you that should leave. If I was the responding officer I would explain to the people who called that the man has the RIGHT to carry the pistol and that if any of them feel uncomfortable with it then they should leave because he has just as much RIGHT as everyone else to be there.

I mean we can compare this to back in the day when blacks were being discriminated against even after they had all the RIGHTS of the white people.....

Picture your self a tall muscular black man walking into a theater in 1965 not long after the civil RIGHTS acts of 1964 was passed. You had the RIGHT to go into public places among the whites without being discriminated against.

As you walk in people stare, and many "feel uncomfortable" and "become alarmed". Three or more people call the police. The police come and arrest you for "breaching the peace". Would that be wrong?

There is not one bit of difference between this hypothetical situation and the situation in the OP, not one.

The RIGHT to carry is not WRONG.

-Alien

The real problem is the chicken *hit idiots who call the cops just because they saw somebody exercising their right to carry a firearm. Those paranoid, jerk-off, anti-gun idiots need to get a life. And I agree with this gentleman, the cops should flat-out tell the caller that there is nothing illegal about open-carry of a firearm. Do they stop every car to make sure they have a valid driver's license? To make sure they have insurance? Without cause?

I'd like to bitch-slap the idiots who call this crap in.

The problem here is when people call the cops, the cops have a duty to check it out.

reply to post by Acid_Burn2009


The man said due to a possession charge he could not get a CCW. Not sure about the laws in Pa. but apparantly you can't get one wit ha pot charge.

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by DrumJunkie
The problem with the video and the intention s of the man in it are a little suspect to me. I don't know many people that vid tape themselves going to get potatoes at the local market. I'm an avid supporter of our Constitutional rights and I have no problem with open carry. But this guy was told someone called about this man. Rights or no rights when cops roll up on a call you are still the man with a gun. When you open carry in places where there are plenty of people all it takes is one idiot anti gun person top make the call and they are going to respond to it. And if legal open carry is all you are trying to do then show the LEO an ID and let them and you get on their way. Being combative in this instance was just a waste of time.

I believe in this first video, if you rewatch it, he was not videoing UNTIL they approached him. It's pretty easy to turn the video of a cell phone on, wouldn't you think? After the 4th or 5th time of going through the same routine, I think I'd hit the record on my phone at that point.

I didn't see anything in the video that indicated he didn't start recording until police started on him. It seemed to me that the recording started at the beginning of the encounter. I can't get my phone out of my pocket that fast and I"m sure with cops responding to a man with a gun the last thing you would want to do is reach for something they can't see. That just seems a little stupid to me. That recording device was ready at the start. Like I said. I have seen so many of those type of vids. Many OC people are ready to go with vid at just the right time it seems. YouTube is literally bombarded with them. The man did say he has dinner on the stove and needed potatoes. I would have thought then if that was the case then he would have done anything to get back to his evening meal and not stand in the rain for 20 minutes or more refusing to give a name.

It just does not do any good to gun owners to be combative in this situation. Let them know you are not a felon and go on your way. It takes seconds with today tech. But that does not make a good video for YouTube does it?
Like I said, I open carry and have been stopped for it. It's kind of a pain but it just makes more sense to look like a responsible gun owner to let them see who I am then let me go on my way. There are going to be anti-gun people that are going to whip out their cell and say "Hey! There's a man with a gun here!!" Police are going to respond to a call like this. And no matter what any of us think when they do show you you are there as the man with a gun.

I've talked to a few LEO around here and they still get calls sometimes about me or other people. But they see it's me they remember we went through ti before and there was no problems. So they don't even stop anymore if they see it's me. I'll wager though if I was to act like some asshat they would probably make sure to keep on messing with me.

These clips confuse me, I don't like the police but I kind of feel sorry for these one's and others in similar situations.
I understand the rights you guys have over there, but what reasons would some one have to open carry whilst walking down a quite residential street? .
Is it like a fashion thing, protection/warning, real big squirrels, to me the dude getting harassed seemed to enjoy the whole ordeal and I wouldn't be surprised if he had planned the whole thing, is there any evidence supporting he wasn't just walking up and down the same street until he got the attention he wanted, we call them smart asrse's in oz and they tend to have a good point but go the wrong way about it and take it to far.

reply to post by grey580


Get real.
He is not rambling like a douche bag. What would make you even say such a thing? He is nervous as any person would be. I talk fast and get kinda nervous from just being pulled over. The guy does a good job of standing his ground even though he has 2 or 3 cops harrassing him for no reason.

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Whatever reason they want, maybe he walked to the gun range, maybe he walked to a dangerous area. Can you tell from this little clip where the guy is at?

The problem in America is that someone called this in. They have trained people to be afraid of guns. Someone saw this guy, walking down the street. Not walking up their driveway, not waving the gun around, or knocking on their doors, just walking down the street with it on his hip and they called the police. People are being trained to be fearful of guns when they have absolutely no reason to be.

One citizen violating another citizens rights is bad, really really bad.
But a police officer violating a persons rights is abhorrent, I do not even know the words to describe how bad it is.
It is the lowest form of citizenship any person can sink to.
I would prefer to have a pedophile in my neighborhood, at least I can find out who they are, where they live and protect the kids in my neighborhood from them.
But a cop who has no misgiving about being above the law, of he himself being the law....What do I do?
How do I protect myself from him?
He is protected with layer after layer of advocates
He has a gun and is 99% likely to win a battle of his word against mine

When I was 16, me and a friend were on one of our first trips to the park. We pulled in to the gas station to get gas and misparked. I told bobby he needed to adjust the car. Bob pulled the car forward and this old white guy backed in out of nowhere and made it impossible for us to get gas....he stole our slot. We told him what happened and he started running his mouth and so did we. I told him he was no better than a kneegar. Next thing we knew gasoline was being pumped all over us. Instead of whipping his ass and going to jail, we took his plate number and reeking of gasoline pressed charges at the police station.
When our day in court came, we arrived ready to do "The right thing", and instead of having our day in court. We got called into the office and told the city was refusing to hear the case and that it was in our best interest to let it go and go on our way. Our parents were furious and powerless. I have ZERO faith in our system and will forever be inclined to side with the accuser unless and until the facts prove otherwise. Those videos you see are not some rare occurrence that you would like others to believe they are, They are not a once in a lifetime ordeal that people are making a big deal out of. They are happening now as you are reading this.
And the people who are doing it are willing to do anything to make sure you do not ruin the good thing they got going

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Mobidinc

 

Whatever reason they want, maybe he walked to the gun range, maybe he walked to a dangerous area. Can you tell from this little clip where the guy is at?

The problem in America is that someone called this in. They have trained people to be afraid of guns. Someone saw this guy, walking down the street. Not walking up their driveway, not waving the gun around, or knocking on their doors, just walking down the street with it on his hip and they called the police. People are being trained to be fearful of guns when they have absolutely no reason to be.

Well, it says he's in PA. So if he's in "Killadelphia" I don't blame him for open carrying!