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Originally posted by Legion2024
reply to post by artistpoet
Is living with Autism enough research for you...?
So the advancements in detection of the many types of autism is in no way linked to the increase of autism that is being reported coupled with awareness has nothing to do with it.
Just wow.
Originally posted by Legion2024
reply to post by artistpoet
"Is the prevalence of Autism Spectrum Disorders increasing?
Unquestionably, there are more children being diagnosed with ASD today than ever before. This, in and of itself, presents a major public health challenge. It is, however, very difficult to determine why this is occurring. We know that there have been changes in diagnostic criteria and the manner and frequency with which criteria are applied. Consequently, there is no way of accurately determining how much of the increase in ASD prevalence seen over the last decade is attributable to diagnostic issues and how much is attributable to a real increase in risk"
Edu
what facts do you have, and are you going to have it published, how long have you been a geneticist..?
you say you know 100% and yet no one is 100% sure. What do you know that they dont..?
Originally posted by Legion2024
reply to post by artistpoet
So now you are picking and choosing the types of autism associated with immunization lol, as i stated the possible increase could be due to the advancement of detection, Sure some people react bad to immunizations. As well as many other drugs and environmental variables.
Autism and Food Allergies
Obesity
i hope you have issues with all of them.
Peace out
this makes me wonder for how long ATS will be allowed to host alternative health and antivax discussions without being sued. What a crazy world we live in.
There is, however, a manufactroversy — a manufactured controversy — created by junk science, dishonest researchers, professional misconduct, outright fraud, lies, misrepresentations, irresponsible reporting, unfortunate media publicity, poor judgment, celebrities who think they are wiser than the whole of medical science, and a few maverick doctors who ought to know better. Thousands of parents have been frightened into rejecting or delaying immunizations for their children. The immunization rate has dropped, resulting in the return of endemic measles in the U.K. and various outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases in the U.S. children have died. Herd immunity has been lost. The public health consequences are serious and are likely to get worse before they get better — a load of unscientific nonsense has put us all at risk.
A special federal court ruled yesterday that vaccines do not cause autism and that thousands of families with autistic children are not entitled to compensation, delivering a major blow to an international movement that has tried for years to link childhood immunizations with the devastating disorder.
In 1998, a British gastroenterologist, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, published a report in the Lancet on eight children who developed symptoms of autism within one month of receiving the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.1 Since then, the media, advocacy groups, and celebrities have promulgated the link between childhood vaccinations (particularly the MMR vaccine) and the development of autism. But, is it true? This month's article clearly outlines the epidemiologic and biologic studies that should reassure physicians and parents that there is no connection between childhood vaccinations and autism.2 For the family physician, the data in this article are impressive and can be used to counter most parental concerns.
“We are confident there is no link between MMR and autism,” Lipkin said.
The study shows how a scare can have far-reaching consequences. Despite the widespread refutation of any link between autism and vaccinations, the belief persists
Despite accumulating evidence that vaccines are safe, vaccination uptake is falling, driving a resurgence in old scourges of society.
LONDON -- The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.
"A website offering parents advice on vaccines has been ordered to remove information about the MMR jab after claiming it could be linked to autism. Babyjabs.co.uk said the three-in-one jab may be causing "up to 10%" of autism in children in the UK."
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Still, many many more children died of those diseases back then than nowadays are even only considered as an autist victim of vaccination.
My children are vaccinated. I stand to this decision wholeheartedly and with pure mind. It was and is for the best of my children.
If your children aren't, you are depending on the herds protection, as it is called - enough vaccinated children and measles can't spread. But your children weren't in any danger so I could say that you "chickened out" and let other people take the risks. Think about that, for a change.
Originally posted by McGinty
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Still, many many more children died of those diseases back then than nowadays are even only considered as an autist victim of vaccination.
My children are vaccinated. I stand to this decision wholeheartedly and with pure mind. It was and is for the best of my children.
If your children aren't, you are depending on the herds protection, as it is called - enough vaccinated children and measles can't spread. But your children weren't in any danger so I could say that you "chickened out" and let other people take the risks. Think about that, for a change.
Am i correct in thinking that it's not vaccines for diseases that are being questioned here, but jamming 3 vaccines into one (MMR) that appears to be dangerous.
Is that correct?
Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by artistpoet
Your Family practise Doctor is the most important person you will meet in your life artistpoet, Trust them litterly with your life and emotions they know how to sort out the "wheat from the chaff".
Originally posted by drbatstein
In the article they're specifically talking about MMR. It is far more dangerous to receive multiple vaccines than it is to receive a single vaccine and then another one a few months later etc. Every vaccine has it's dangers though, so MMR and Hep C are the highest risk, but all vaccines can damage. Off the top of my head, we know the Polio Vaccine can cause Diabetes Type 1, the Hep C can cause MS, the anti-Tetanus can cause muscle-wasting diseases, all vaccines can cause Cot Death in babies, the Swine Flu Vaccine can cause Narcolepsy etc etc I could go on all day. Here's an example of what the BCG vaccine can do to a baby www.chinasmack.com...
So, my advice would be, there are no safe vaccines and the risk of receiving the vaccines is far greater than the risk not taking them. Vaccines are a game of Russian Roulette; you never know if your immune system will react differently, or if the vaccine you receive has been contaminated in the lab.
If anyone does still feel strongly that they want to be vaccinated, there are ways to lower the risk of vaccine damage, such as spreading out single vaccines with large gaps between. Obviously never receive more than 1 vaccine at a time. Never allow anyone to be vaccinated who's had a dose of antibiotics without the last few months, you often hear that those who went autistic after MMR had just been on a course of antibiotics. Antibiotics knock out your natural protection and make you far more vulnerable to the MMR Vaccine. Another vital tip is NEVER vaccinate a first born child, as they have a different immune system to the rest, very sensitive, you may already be aware that most of those who go down with vaccine damage are first born.
Ideally, don't let anyone fear-monger you into vaccines, they're incredibly damaging to your health. You're far safer without them
Originally posted by McGinty
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Still, many many more children died of those diseases back then than nowadays are even only considered as an autist victim of vaccination.
My children are vaccinated. I stand to this decision wholeheartedly and with pure mind. It was and is for the best of my children.
If your children aren't, you are depending on the herds protection, as it is called - enough vaccinated children and measles can't spread. But your children weren't in any danger so I could say that you "chickened out" and let other people take the risks. Think about that, for a change.
Am i correct in thinking that it's not vaccines for diseases that are being questioned here, but jamming 3 vaccines into one (MMR) that appears to be dangerous.
Is that correct?edit on 10-8-2012 by drbatstein because: (no reason given)
Now the first big epidemiological studies weigh in. One comes from Denmark, which eliminated thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1992. A team led by Kreesten Madsen of the Danish Epidemiology Science Centre in Aarhus reasoned that if thimerosal were a major cause of autism, incidence of new cases should drop once it was removed. In the September issue of the journal Pediatrics, they report that, instead of declining, the incidence continued to skyrocket after 1992.
Earlier this week, The Panic Virus, my book on the controversy over vaccines and autism, was released in paperback. While there haven't been many scientific advances in this particular issue since the hardcover edition was published -- the evidence supporting vaccines' paramount place in public health efforts and the total lack of corroboration supporting a causal connection between vaccines and autism remain as strong today as they were a year ago -- there have been new developments in the story. Their coverage highlights an enduring passion of mine: The need for reliable, responsible science journalism.
Do vaccines — such as the one against measles, mumps and rubella — cause autism? Nope.
A collaborative study has found that hundreds of small genetic variations are associated with autism spectrum disorders.
Scientists today say they are on track to establish the genetic triggers for autism, paving the way for earlier diagnosis of children who could be at risk of developing the condition and opening up the possibility of inventing new drugs and treatments for the condition.
Originally posted by TheMythLives
You are sourcing terrible sources to prove your point, sources that are not even accredited by any health sector.
Originally posted by TheMythLives
Now the first big epidemiological studies weigh in. One comes from Denmark, which eliminated thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1992. A team led by Kreesten Madsen of the Danish Epidemiology Science Centre in Aarhus reasoned that if thimerosal were a major cause of autism, incidence of new cases should drop once it was removed. In the September issue of the journal Pediatrics, they report that, instead of declining, the incidence continued to skyrocket after 1992
Originally posted by TheMythLives
"However, with the above said. I must throw you a bone so to speak. Autism is not caused by the vaccines; however, it can be activated by the vaccines."
Either you didn't check out all of the sources or you're playing games here, let's have a look at some of the 'terrible' sources:- former Merck Vaccine Chief Dr Maurice Hilleman, the internationally renowned Cochrane Collaboration and the US National Library of Medicine.
Despite the claims of the antivaxers who released this altered video, Dr. Hilleman did not say that a "cancer epidemic" was caused by this vaccine, or that AIDS was introduced via vaccine research (a comment he made about green monkeys and the AIDS virus was clearly a joke. You'd have to be completely humorless and conspiracy-obsessed to take it at face value).
In an archival video recently posted on YouTube, former Merck vaccine developer Maurice Hilleman recalls the company’s unwitting importation of AIDS-carrying African green monkeys during the early 1980′s. "Oh, it was you who introduced the AIDS virus to this country?" jokes the interviewer, medical historian Edward Shorter. It’s hard to tell exactly what’s said next, since the person who posted the video — intelligent design supporter and Da Vinci Code interpreter Leonard Horowitz — tweaked the tape DJ-style, repeating the catch phrases over and over again.
Maurice Ralph Hilleman, 85, whose vaccines probably saved more lives than any scientist in the past century, and whose research helps the medical establishment predict and prepare for upcoming flu seasons, died April 11 of cancer at Chestnut Hill Hospital in Philadelphia.
There has been concern about the morality of receiving vaccines when the cells in which the vaccine virus is grown may have been originally obtained from an aborted fetus
That doesn't sound like a risk worth taking just to avoid Measles, Mumps and Rubella. My generation used to have Measles parties and we were just fine, a lot better than the latest generation.
With more parents forgoing measles vaccinations for their children, the number of Californians contracting the highly contagious disease is higher than any time in the last decade. As of Monday, there were 28 reported cases of measles in 2011, according to the California Department of Public Health. That is the highest incidence since 2001, when 40 people reported having measles. There were nine cases in all of 2009 and 27 cases in 2010.
Outbreak of Measles --- San Diego, California, January--February 2008
That's 'car salesmen' speak, those people would be perfectly healthy without the vaccines, but you say that it's their problem for getting Autism from the vaccine. Everyone's immune system is different and if the vaccines aren't safe for 100% of people then they're simply a game of Russian Roulette.