Iran vs. USA in one picture

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Yeah maybe you're right but I would much rather live in a country that people want to break in to...
...than a country where people want to leave.

Originally posted by LiberLegit
I love how people pick small countries like Iran and compare them with an international super power like the United States. US will pass Iran in ANY list. The fact that someone can create a list doesn't mean anything. Honestly, this is all bunk. It's funny, people on ATS think they have more knowledge than the military and political commanders of the world. We all don't even have a fraction of a glimpse of what's really going on out there, this can't be denied.

You are right and so your logic is cause these people know so much more then we do we should just bury our heads in the sand and speak no evil! You are forgetting one very important thing politics is politics and never just about our safety because there are lobbying groups that influence these politicians decisions! This is what is called the Military industrial complex and is also why there is 2/3rds of a trillion dollars spent each year and that is like 1/4 of all spending every year for the military! This is what is called war is a racket and someone you will respect alot more then I wrote it Major General Smedley Butler! So stop saying that the high and mightey Military is doing what's good for us!

Originally posted by votan

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by votan
Openly the USA has a longer list than Iran. People point out Irans covert operations...while forgetting the USA has a nice long list too in that department. If you really want to split hairs in the time frame given by the OP.... the USA would still have a longer list than Iran with covert operations included.

I love the USA but I can admit it is imperialistic.

edit on 8-8-2012 by votan because: (no reason given)

Yeah, but I'm not concerned with whose is bigger - the OP insinuation is that Iran doesn't even have one!

I doubt anyone would actually believe they didn't have one but considering how people are you never know hahaha

Yes ma'am - that's my point - the OP is unbelievable, because of glaring omissions!

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Iran apologists literally make me sick. I don't deny that the USA has demons in the past, but seriously, grow up. You leave out a TON of information. You're lying to pass an agenda. I know people like you.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom


Most countries have these list but the only difference with them is Irans neighborhood is volatile being how many countries are in that area but we really have no enemies on our borders and therefore no reason to be in so many countries! We should also look at how much monies is spent by the US and Iran. At 4.7% of GDP for the US and 1.8% of GDP which in dollar amounts is like 2/3rds of a trillion to just over 7 billion! the US spends 7 times more then the 2nd highest expenditure for military spending which is china! By the way Iran is number 25 in spending! Oh yeh and israel which so needs our protection is number 18 and spends almost double what Iran does and i doubt that includes all the weapons donated by the US to Israel!

What it boils down to is when is foreign adventurism OK? The US has as much right to dabble in those countries as Iran does, and vice versa. Foreign adventurism is foreign adventurism. It doesn't speak only English or Farsi.

Foreign is foreign, whether you're spending dollars or rials. When you start into dollar or rial amounts, you're just nitpicking and glossing over the elephant in the room - when is it OK to tinker in other people's affairs?

Like I said, I don't care whose is bigger, or who spends more money to get theirs polished.

reply to post by PrimePorkchop

Iran apologists literally make me sick. I don't deny that the USA has demons in the past, but seriously, grow up.

You and me both!

I can’t tell you how many times the deniers said Iran never threatened to wipe Israel off the map. I wonder how they justify the latest threat?

An Iranian military official threatened to “wipe” Israel “off the face of the earth” if the Jewish state attacks, a stark new threat coinciding with the start of a European Union oil embargo to put pressure on Iran’s nuclear program, Reuters reported.

link

How do they propose to do that I wonder?

Maybe with the 40 or so Shehab 3 missiles they have??

Nope, that won’t do the trick.

America was a great country. It's reputation has suffered badly because it has been used as a hired gun for the last 100 years by TPTB. The degeneration of America is the result of one thing - karma (wrong action) on an individual level. This has drawn to you the leaders and conditions that you deserve.

The only problem is your arrogance won't let you even consider that you, as individuals, should shoulder the blame.


Abraham Lincoln:

We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of heaven. We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, in wealth and power as no other nation has grown. But we have forgotten God.

We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us. And we have imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the need of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that created us.

This issue goes alot further then nuclear threats . I have seen so many horrible videos and documentarys and its not hard to tell just who the evil ones are .there was a video I watched that literally broke my heart into peices, a girl age 7 or 8 whom had her whole family shot to death rite in front of her for being on the beach after the (curfew) set up by the israelies .. this was a while ago but I feel its still very important ..This link will take you to this video however I have to warn you that this is extreamly graffic and very heart breaking anyone with a soul will shed a tear in the end . I just want it to stop , this war has alot to do with iran wanting to help the palestinians out of which there being wrongfully treated torchured and killed Ive seen lots of proof .Watch this video and wake up America www.youtube.com...

reply to post by nenothtu


No matter what i say you people think war is ok but i bet if you were living in a small country with a small military
and some big bully came along and started killing your neighbors, family and destroying your country. I bet you would have a sudden change of heart! Since you can live your life not having to deal with it, that makes it ok!
Well I hope you never have to find out what these people have to live with every day! Karma is a real MF though
and eventually all the hens come home to roust!

reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom


Well I guess some here just love it when Iran Covertly attacks other countries. Where is your outrage about that? Nothing to say?

Right?

Strawman argument.
Nobody here is advocating nor likes war

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

 

Well I guess some here just love it when Iran Covertly attacks other countries. Where is your outrage about that? Nothing to say?

Right?

Strawman argument.
Nobody here is advocating nor likes war

Link these attacks! i mean actual military attacking and not just 1 or 2 people launching missles cause that don't count!

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom
Link these attacks! i mean actual military attacking and not just 1 or 2 people launching missles cause that don't count!

Doesn't count?

Why?

Because you say so?

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom
Link these attacks! i mean actual military attacking and not just 1 or 2 people launching missles cause that don't count!

Doesn't count?

Why?

Because you say so?

Because those are the actions of an individual! that's why! If wars were always started because of the actions of individuals they would never end and then that is just incredibly redicules! Why don't we just nuke them because they shot some fire works off at someone? Should'nt the puishment fit the crime or should we persecute a whole country for the actions of a few according to you?

reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

No matter what i say you people think war is ok but i bet if you were living in a small country with a small military and some big bully came along and started killing your neighbors, family and destroying your country. I bet you would have a sudden change of heart! Since you can live your life not having to deal with it, that makes it ok!

Well I hope you never have to find out what these people have to live with every day! Karma is a real MF though
and eventually all the hens come home to roust!

Awe….how SWEET! I almost felt sympathy until I realized your story was fallacious.

What poor little country to the big bad US strike unjustly?

Do tell!

Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya?

The answer is NOT ONE!

And how many decent people (not terrorist or terrorist sympathizers) are alive and well in those countries today compared to before the US entered? ALMOST ALL!

All of the pro-Iranian regime arguments are completey out of context as though the US just indiscriminately kills people for no good reason. What a load of crap!

reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom


Then you obviously have little or no knowledge about just how much Iran was involved in Iraq or Yemen or helping Hezbollah etc.

Should we even bother mentioning Syria?

But....but....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by SLAYER69

Then you obviously have little or no knowledge about just how much Iran was involved in Iraq or Yemen or helping Hezbollah etc.

Should we even bother mentioning Syria?

It always falls on deaf ears…

Apparently proxy wars only count if it’s the US conducting them.

Every death related to Hamas and Hezbollah in the past 10 years can be attributed to Iran; 75% of the IED’s (and a lot of US blood) in Iraq can too.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

 

Well I guess some here just love it when Iran Covertly attacks other countries. Where is your outrage about that? Nothing to say?

Right?

Strawman argument.
Nobody here is advocating nor likes war

Link these attacks! i mean actual military attacking and not just 1 or 2 people launching missles cause that don't count!

Their defence minister is wanted by INTERPOL for a bombing in Argentina in 1994. More recently the Karbala PJCC attack Jan 2007, the kidnap of Peter Moore May 2007 et cetera.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

 

Then you obviously have little or no knowledge about just how much Iran was involved in Iraq or Yemen or helping Hezbollah etc.

Should we even bother mentioning Syria?

Please your going to lecture me on the current events of the middle east cause you have studied the region obviously! So with all this knowladge you have, just link me the relavant articles from reputable sources and show me the error of my ways! Oh and pls link me how this has any effect on the US besides the cost of foreign Oil!

Yes because Iran wants nothing but Peace Love and Hippie fun time Dancing ..YES YES YES America is run by evil corporate a%%holes and so on ehhh there is no way to win ...F&*K it nuke it all and let Fallout 4 begin!!!!