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Iran vs. USA in one picture
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Newsflash...
The OP's opening post was not hateful!
It was actually quite truthful hence the flags he received.
That simple enough for you?
Or do you need me to explain in more detail?
Yes, please explain it in more detail. Why is North Korea on that list? The only ones upset about the UN pushing the North Koreans out of South Korea and stopping them from turning it into a giant Kim Jong Il cult are the North Koreans...and the America bashers, apparently.
edit on 8-8-2012 by GoodOlDave because: (no reason given)
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
If?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
If Iranians ever do something violent to US citizens -- it will be RETALIATION.
If?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
reply to post by pacifier2012
Which post would that be?
This one from the person who said Isreal was behind 9-11 in other threads.
Which post would that be?
This one from the person who said Isreal was behind 9-11 in other threads.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed Newsflash... The OP's opening post was not hateful! It was actually quite truthful hence the flags he received. That simple enough for you? Or do you need me to explain in more detail?
edit on 8-8-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Unless that picture is a generic background with text on it in which case it's worth as many words as are on said picture. Seriously, do you have clearance for what's going on Iran right now? Well neither do I, but I do know that between Iran and the U.S. (from a Canadian perspective) the U.S. need to be our friends. You may argue about propaganda or oil in the middle-east but there is no debating that it takes two to argue and if the U.S. is always one party then it's only fair to look at the other in the same depth -depth which escapes a 2d generic background with text on it aka your picture.
All niceties aside, I'm targeting your post not you personally. I'd appreciate all comments re: this to do the same.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by Blaine91555
Post hate, get flags. Seems simple enough.
Newsflash...
The OP's opening post was not hateful!
It was actually quite truthful hence the flags he received.
That simple enough for you?
Or do you need me to explain in more detail?
The OP's opening post was so Anti-American that the Ayatollah's are jealous. They could not have been more deceitful in opposing the "Great Satan". They are the loudspeaker of the world for anti-US propaganda, and have been since the first day they seized power.
Ahmadinnajacket is inserting it into his latest slideshow for his next anti-American college campus swing.
Chavez is slapping his deputy silly for not thinking of it for himself to win favor with his masters.
Putin is calling his RT operative to find out why they didn't break this first.
The OP has revitalized the evil axis singlehandedly.
Kim over in NK is frustrated not knowing who to congratulate between food orgies.
edit on 8-8-2012 by TinfoilTP because: (no reason
given)
[Removed OT Picture]
The Obama administration has done more to undermine Iran over the past four years than any U.S. presidency in the 33 years since the Iranian revolution. Under the shadow of a policy of “engagement,” the United States and Israel have led a campaign of economic, cyber, and covert war against Iran. Yet this coercive approach, conducted along with sporadic negotiations on nuclear issues between Iran and the P5+1 group of China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States has failed to resolve the future of Iran’s nuclear program.
The primary issue is mistrust. American and Western politicians continuously reiterate their mistrust of Tehran but seem not to understand that this mistrust is mutual. Iran has profound reasons to distrust the West. The United States and the Britain orchestrated the 1953 coup that removed Iran’s democratically elected prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh, and installed a dictator, supporting him for a quarter century. Following the Iranian revolution, the West unilaterally withdrew from its contractual commitments and left Iran with billions of dollars of unfinished industrial and nuclear projects. In 1980, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, sparking an economically ruinous eight-year war in which Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and 300,000 Iranians lost their lives. The United States and the West supported the aggressor in that conflict. In 1988, the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian civilian jetliner, killing 290 innocent civilians, including 66 children.
In 1989, during Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani’s presidency, Iran welcomed a proposal by President George H.W. Bush — encapsulated by Bush’s declaration that “goodwill begets goodwill” — for hostages in exchange for unfreezing Iranian assets. Iran facilitated the release of American and Western hostages in Lebanon. Instead of goodwill, the United States responded by heightening pressures and hostilities, which convinced Iran’s new leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that the United States could not be trusted to keep its promises. During Mohammad Khatami’s presidency, Iran was among the first countries to condemn the 9/11 terrorists attacks and cooperate with the United States in the “war on terror,” leading to the removal of the Taliban and al Qaeda from Afghanistan in 2001. In return, the United States rewarded Iran by designating it a member of the “axis of evil.”
As recently as 2011, Iran, under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, offered to invite the U.S. representative in Afghanistan, Marc Grossman, to Tehran for talks on cooperation in Afghanistan, welcomed the Russian “step-by-step plan” to resolve the nuclear crisis, offered five years of full supervision by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over Iran’s nuclear program, and proposed halting uranium enrichment to 20 percent and instead limiting it to 5 percent, if Iran was provided with fuel rods for the Tehran Research Reactor. However, the United States and the West responded to all these unprecedented overtures with mounting pressures, sanctioning oil exports and Iran’s Central Bank, and advancing U.N. resolutions that condemn Iran on terrorism and human rights.
Recognizing that mistrust is mutual is the first step toward confidence building. A second step is to acknowledge that the international community’s “dual track” policy of pressure and diplomacy toward Iran has in fact been mostly a single track of coercion, sanctions, covert war, and isolation — with no clear, coherent, strategic vision of the kind of relationship the United States can ultimately accept with the Islamic Republic. There has not been a meaningful agenda of specific proposals for practical ways to build confidence through diplomacy.
The Obama administration has done more to undermine Iran over the past four years than any U.S. presidency in the 33 years since the Iranian revolution. Under the shadow of a policy of “engagement,” the United States and Israel have led a campaign of economic, cyber, and covert war against Iran. Yet this coercive approach, conducted along with sporadic negotiations on nuclear issues between Iran and the P5+1 group of China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States has failed to resolve the future of Iran’s nuclear program.
The primary issue is mistrust. American and Western politicians continuously reiterate their mistrust of Tehran but seem not to understand that this mistrust is mutual. Iran has profound reasons to distrust the West. The United States and the Britain orchestrated the 1953 coup that removed Iran’s democratically elected prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh, and installed a dictator, supporting him for a quarter century. Following the Iranian revolution, the West unilaterally withdrew from its contractual commitments and left Iran with billions of dollars of unfinished industrial and nuclear projects. In 1980, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, sparking an economically ruinous eight-year war in which Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and 300,000 Iranians lost their lives. The United States and the West supported the aggressor in that conflict. In 1988, the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian civilian jetliner, killing 290 innocent civilians, including 66 children.
In 1989, during Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani’s presidency, Iran welcomed a proposal by President George H.W. Bush — encapsulated by Bush’s declaration that “goodwill begets goodwill” — for hostages in exchange for unfreezing Iranian assets. Iran facilitated the release of American and Western hostages in Lebanon. Instead of goodwill, the United States responded by heightening pressures and hostilities, which convinced Iran’s new leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that the United States could not be trusted to keep its promises. During Mohammad Khatami’s presidency, Iran was among the first countries to condemn the 9/11 terrorists attacks and cooperate with the United States in the “war on terror,” leading to the removal of the Taliban and al Qaeda from Afghanistan in 2001. In return, the United States rewarded Iran by designating it a member of the “axis of evil.”
As recently as 2011, Iran, under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, offered to invite the U.S. representative in Afghanistan, Marc Grossman, to Tehran for talks on cooperation in Afghanistan, welcomed the Russian “step-by-step plan” to resolve the nuclear crisis, offered five years of full supervision by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over Iran’s nuclear program, and proposed halting uranium enrichment to 20 percent and instead limiting it to 5 percent, if Iran was provided with fuel rods for the Tehran Research Reactor. However, the United States and the West responded to all these unprecedented overtures with mounting pressures, sanctioning oil exports and Iran’s Central Bank, and advancing U.N. resolutions that condemn Iran on terrorism and human rights.
Recognizing that mistrust is mutual is the first step toward confidence building. A second step is to acknowledge that the international community’s “dual track” policy of pressure and diplomacy toward Iran has in fact been mostly a single track of coercion, sanctions, covert war, and isolation — with no clear, coherent, strategic vision of the kind of relationship the United States can ultimately accept with the Islamic Republic. There has not been a meaningful agenda of specific proposals for practical ways to build confidence through diplomacy.
edit on 8/8/2012 by tothetenthpower because: --Mod Edit--Removed super long link & OT photo
Woops - Double-post
edit on 8-8-2012 by S0LlDSNAKE because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by S0LlDSNAKE
Woops - Double-postedit on 8-8-2012 by S0LlDSNAKE because: (no reason given)
Ok mr first post pro Iranian propaganda spreader.
Did you at least spend a night at a Holiday Inn Express?
Wait. I don't understand. I get that these are countries that have been involved in conflict since WWII, but why are they under the USA's column?
These aren't countries that the US has invaded maliciously, at least not all of them, lol, as some of them were justified. Take Kuwait for instance.
I guess I get what you are saying, and that is a lot of military activity, and even if an invasion is justified or for the defense of another nation,
it is important that the US stay out of others' business. We are not the world's police force. The government seems to think that instability in
some small country is going to be a threat to American sovereignty, which is just ridiculous. The greatest threat right now is from within. There is a
plan in motion to undermine the government right now, from different factions...For instance, the "We Are Everywhere III" thing, anyone who abides
by the religion of Islam, etc...(As there doctrine forces them to practice jihad against Americans, as the US falls into the category of "infidels,"
and there are more and more of their communities rising in the US...I don't have a problem with the people, but rather what they believe and openly
state.)
My country is listed there... Thanks US gov for 21 years of dictatorship /sarcasm
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Newsflash...
The OP's opening post was not hateful!
It was actually quite truthful hence the flags he received.
That simple enough for you?
Or do you need me to explain in more detail?
No...
You can explain it to me.
It's nothing more than blind Propaganda.
It was actually very factual, please point out the propaganda.
This.
Everyone plays that game, son. EVERYONE. To try to indicate "innocence" on the part of Iran with a blank slate, and over-involvement of the US with a too full one, using actions that aren't covered by the header, is disingenuous at best, propaganda at worst.
Anything else you need pointed out and underlined?
edit on 2012/8/8 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)
I suppose no one would care to remember the fact that Germany was worshiped as "saviors" when invading a number of former Soviets country's as
well? They are still celebrated in Lithuania, and other country's as being the "saviors of Europe". Does the fact that the U.S. funded the rise
of the Bolshevik Communists in Russia make this farce seem more clear to everyone?
People should take some time to read Niccolò Machiavelli's "The Prince" from 1513, it details how its often profitable for a monarchy, to fund, and facilitate a "false" threat, or a controllable real one. The "Communist enemy", was the perfect guise to enable the "American" takeover of Europe, and emplace them as the "freedom fighters of the world". The Polish people welcomed the "Americans" with open arm's, exactly like what was planned before WW2 even started. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, and CFR adviser, details in his book "The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy, and its Geostratic Imperatives", how the position of the U.S., and how it was seen by the world after WW2 was vital to its leap to the most powerful country in the world. This was no simple coincidence either, it was all carefully planned by the banking society's that facilitated/funded the war to begin with. Banks like BIS, (bank for international settlements), which funded the both sides of the war, and now holds 56+ central banks....
So sure the U.S. "invasion" of Poland, the Philippines, and other nations were accepted with open arms by the majority of the inhabitants, but that doesn't change the fact that they funded/created the threat that made that possible. Its the old game of making people choose the "lesser evil", the Polish/Filipino people's had no choice in the matter, and were clearly deceived through a tactic that has been employed for century's by hegemonic states. The positioning of the U.S. as the "defenders of freedom" is a copy-cat of German Nazi Weltanschauungskrieg, or "world view warfare", which enabled them to take several provinces/country's without so much as a fight from the populace. Its also what enabled them to dehumanize the Jewish people, much as the U.S. army does to the inhabitants of Iraq/Afghanistan, with their soldiers employing slang like "Hajji" to enforce a separation mentality between them, and their victims.
Don't let nationalism (socially acceptable racism), blind you to the facts, the U.S. is a hegemonic, imperialist force, that does not care about human suffrage in the least. Country's don't war for "freedom", and anyone who believes that is sadly indoctrinated to a degree that seems irreversible.
People should take some time to read Niccolò Machiavelli's "The Prince" from 1513, it details how its often profitable for a monarchy, to fund, and facilitate a "false" threat, or a controllable real one. The "Communist enemy", was the perfect guise to enable the "American" takeover of Europe, and emplace them as the "freedom fighters of the world". The Polish people welcomed the "Americans" with open arm's, exactly like what was planned before WW2 even started. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, and CFR adviser, details in his book "The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy, and its Geostratic Imperatives", how the position of the U.S., and how it was seen by the world after WW2 was vital to its leap to the most powerful country in the world. This was no simple coincidence either, it was all carefully planned by the banking society's that facilitated/funded the war to begin with. Banks like BIS, (bank for international settlements), which funded the both sides of the war, and now holds 56+ central banks....
So sure the U.S. "invasion" of Poland, the Philippines, and other nations were accepted with open arms by the majority of the inhabitants, but that doesn't change the fact that they funded/created the threat that made that possible. Its the old game of making people choose the "lesser evil", the Polish/Filipino people's had no choice in the matter, and were clearly deceived through a tactic that has been employed for century's by hegemonic states. The positioning of the U.S. as the "defenders of freedom" is a copy-cat of German Nazi Weltanschauungskrieg, or "world view warfare", which enabled them to take several provinces/country's without so much as a fight from the populace. Its also what enabled them to dehumanize the Jewish people, much as the U.S. army does to the inhabitants of Iraq/Afghanistan, with their soldiers employing slang like "Hajji" to enforce a separation mentality between them, and their victims.
Don't let nationalism (socially acceptable racism), blind you to the facts, the U.S. is a hegemonic, imperialist force, that does not care about human suffrage in the least. Country's don't war for "freedom", and anyone who believes that is sadly indoctrinated to a degree that seems irreversible.
The amount that NON-islamic entities that have killed within past 100 years compared to Islam's 1400 years of 'conquest' makes Islam look like it
was just revealed yesterday.
And how have SHIA Iranian IED's helped the so called Wahhabi affiliated Taliban/Al-CIAda insurgents?
Have people already forgotten how Shia northern alliance were fighting taliban in afghanistan before 9/11 and Iran/Iraq war?
And how have SHIA Iranian IED's helped the so called Wahhabi affiliated Taliban/Al-CIAda insurgents?
Have people already forgotten how Shia northern alliance were fighting taliban in afghanistan before 9/11 and Iran/Iraq war?
reply to post by nenothtu
Quick to criticize. Maybe you can show us a nice long list of all the bad things Iran has done?
Quick to criticize. Maybe you can show us a nice long list of all the bad things Iran has done?
Originally posted by forklift
reply to post by nenothtu
Quick to criticize. Maybe you can show us a nice long list of all the bad things Iran has done?
Boy..
Quick to post and run...
By the way I'm not Neno but wrap your sore one on this for starters. Yup Iran's the victim here. Recently Iran's Supreme leader couldn't keep his yap shut...
english.farsnews.com...
"Wherever Iran interferes, it announces it in a very straightforward manner. For instance, we interfered in confrontations against Israel, which resulted in the (Lebanese) victory in the 33-day war and (Palestinians' victory in) the 22-day (Gaza) war," Ayatollah Khamenei said, addressing millions of Friday Prayers worshippers on Tehran University Campus today.
Or
How about this little embarrassing tidbit..
Zionist regime well within Iran missile reach: MP
A senior Iranian lawmaker says the Zionist regime is very vulnerable at present and threats to launch a military strike against Iran are merely a bluff.
According to Press TV, member of the Majlis Presiding Board Mohammad-Hossein Farhangi said Saturday that based on international and regional developments, Tel Aviv is bluffing in making war threats against Iran.
He said “The occupied territories are within the range of the Islamic Republic's missiles and therefore the Zionist regime of Israel cannot engage in any military activity against Iran.”
But the territory has innocent civilians living there so I guess those missiles will just kill indiscriminately whomever is living there when those Islamic Republic's missiles land. Sounds to me like a repeating pattern of indiscriminate killing from the playbook that Assad has been following as well.
I'm sure Neno will be along shortly.
edit on 8-8-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
What an ignorant O.P, with well sourced quotations too . What is with this anti American bull#$%@ lately, try adding Japan and Russia to that
graph, you'd actually see the USA is a bit more placid.
And enough with the Iraq war, and the America shouldn't have been there crap, it's getting old (and over and done with)! No there weren't WMD's, but Saddam was caught, hung and the country liberated from a regime that murdered Kurds, fought with neighboring countries and killed their own people.
And enough with the Iraq war, and the America shouldn't have been there crap, it's getting old (and over and done with)! No there weren't WMD's, but Saddam was caught, hung and the country liberated from a regime that murdered Kurds, fought with neighboring countries and killed their own people.
edit on 8-8-2012 by llBll because: spelling
reply to post by llBll
*sigh*
True. But let's not forget that we also groomed, empowered, armed, and supported him until he started posing a threat to our oil interests in the region. Or the fact that we were OK enough with him murdering Kurds and others that we continued to sell his nation chemical and biological weapons afterward.
It seems you failed to mention those bits for some reason. Or did you just not know that we were friendly with him, warts and all, until he became politically-useful to demonize?
I suppose it's not worth pointing out that our invasions of his nation and sanctions on it quite possibly killed more iraqis (civilians, even) than his regime - enabled by us- ever did...
How very noble of us.
And enough with the Iraq war, and the America shouldn't have been there crap, it's getting old (and over and done with)! No there weren't WMD's, but Saddam was caught, hung and the country liberated from a regime that murdered Kurds, fought with neighboring countries and killed their own people.
True. But let's not forget that we also groomed, empowered, armed, and supported him until he started posing a threat to our oil interests in the region. Or the fact that we were OK enough with him murdering Kurds and others that we continued to sell his nation chemical and biological weapons afterward.
It seems you failed to mention those bits for some reason. Or did you just not know that we were friendly with him, warts and all, until he became politically-useful to demonize?
I suppose it's not worth pointing out that our invasions of his nation and sanctions on it quite possibly killed more iraqis (civilians, even) than his regime - enabled by us- ever did...
How very noble of us.
edit on 8/8/2012 by Praetorius because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
If Iranians ever do something violent to US citizens -- it will be RETALIATION.
If?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
So you pay no attention that the US is funding an al Qaeda group in Iran? You think all these "bad guys" just popped up with accents and facial hair from some movie set, Hell bent on being "evil"?
Your link goes to a blog post about claims that the Iranians were sending weapons and support to allies in Iraq. What you fail to see - because you are mired in this "America Uber Alles" fantasy -- is that America invaded Iraq for bogus reasons. We were occupiers. What sort of reaction were we to expect? Everyone to just roll over and say; "Oh sorry, we didn't realize you were the 'good guys'"? We were doing the "wrong thing". Did you also know that we switched sides in Iraq? The anti-saddam group was our ally after we demonized the Saddam group -- and when it was clear our allies were losing -- the US military started backing the other group and killing our former allies.
So if the US military has no problem giving weapons and training to the SAME group as the Iranians were supporting -- then this notion that there is some "enemy out their" is as delusional as your idea that we've drawn some clear line in the sand. Sunni, Shi'ite -- these are all just words we learned like Al Qaeda or Taliban and they suddenly mean something when people talk around the water cooler. Only -- our entire education is from those people who are using us to support their profits.
If Iran didn't have oil -- we wouldn't be "concerned" about them. And whatever security issues we've got with their government is all self-inflicted.