Define Christianity as Hate - The New Homosexual Agenda

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

 

The thing is, emotions do have a physical effect and can be measured with devices. So emotions are real and can be proven.

That would have been the right answer to that "prove it".

Because I believe everything is energy - - and emotions are strong energy.

I'm going to agree with you.

reply to post by EvilSadamClone

So emotions are real and can be proven.

That would have been the right answer to that "prove it".

Showing the activity of a EEG, EKG or a biofeedback device on a screen is hardly encapsulating what 'love' means.

Owl was saying love is a delusion because we can't prove it to have real meaning. If its meaning can only be measured in this strict sense the human experience is reduced to biological processes and with no regard for the 'heart and mind'.

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The guy asked for proof that she loved her father, not to ascribe meaning to it.

And the proof is emotions do have a physical and observable effect and can be detected by devices.

Meaning is something else entirely.

Ascribing meaning to something is philosophy, not science.

The unquantafiable is the foundation of the quantifiable. Without quality there is no quantity! Without something to add there is no math!
plato.stanford.edu...

I don't hate Christianty, but I do have a problem with people who fail to understand the "personal" part of personal faith.

If you're one of the Christians who believes homosexuality is wrong, then you're free to avoid doing it. Gays aren't going to pass laws that require you to have gay sex. Follow your religion as you see fit, but please give me the freedom to do the same. If your theory of god is correct, and I'm wrong, then your god will judge me when the time comes.

I'm not a Christian so I don't care to uphold biblical morals. I eat shell fish. I work on the Sabbath. I wear clothing of multiple fabrics. I like gays, heterosexuals, bisexuals and lesbians equally. I lust when i watch porn. I don't think people who have premarital sex deserve death, neither do people who practice adultery. i'd suggest that they stop, but death is to harsh. I don't think women who get rapped, should have to marry the man who rapes them, after he pays their father 50 silver. I think it's strange that rapists get off easy compared to gays in the bible. I won't kill a kid for cursing his parents. I'm perfectly fine with the fact people believe in gods other than my own. I won't kill a false prophet, I think it's better to engage them in debate or ignore them. I wont commit genocide in gods name.

I could continue, but you get the point. I think many biblical morals are wrong, which is why I choose to not be a Christian.

I'd appreciate it if Christians stopped trying to force their bible on me, same for Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and every other religion I don't believe in. You're entitled to your opinions, but I oppose the idea of ANY religion establishing it's holy book as the law of my country, because it will always create second class citizens of disbelievers, and eventually holy war against the other theocracies of the world.

Originally posted by netgamer7k
I can feel the lust, yes, the body responds, parts get hard, the heart races, things happen which can be measured scientifically, it can be shown that testosterone is pumped into the blood, etc..all very verifiable things...

But, how do we measure love?

I'll try to look for the video if i can remember which program it was on, but I watched a video where they hooked married people up to brain scanners and flashed picture on the screen of random people, some where good looking, others weren't, but mixed in with those pictures was an image of their husband/wife, and when those images came up the brain would light up in the area that gave us our feelings of love in a way that was distinct from the other images. The images didn't stay up long, there wasn't a lot of time to rationalize their love, it was only enough for an instantaneous reaction.

We also know our feelings of love are the result of chemicals in our brains which seem to be addictive. Poets and Song writers are more correct than they realize when they say love is an addiction.

Originally posted by mahatche

We also know our feelings of love are the result of chemicals in our brains which seem to be addictive. Poets and Song writers are more correct than they realize when they say love is an addiction.

I personally do not consider biological attraction Love.

IMO - - Love is the responsibility of encompassing those biological attractions and all peripherals into making a relationship work.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by mahatche

We also know our feelings of love are the result of chemicals in our brains which seem to be addictive. Poets and Song writers are more correct than they realize when they say love is an addiction.

I personally do not consider biological attraction Love.

IMO - - Love is the responsibility of encompassing those biological attractions and all peripherals into making a relationship work.

What I speak of goes beyond simple attraction though. Your brain responds differently to seeing someone you are simply attracted to, and someone you actually love. Like I said the study flashed images of random people, some would be considered "hot", but they didn't trigger the same neurological responses as the image of the husband/wife. The husband/wife stood out from everyone else in he brain scans.

I'm searching but can't remember the name of the program at all, so I'm limited to searching for random phrases till i find the right thing.

this isn't the video I speak of, but here's a few articles that seems to speak of similar studies. The first comment I responded to says we can measure lust scientifically, and asked how we can measure love, this is an example I know of.

opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...

www.webmd.com...

articles.cnn.com...:HEALTH

Since we are on the subject of brains, what do the anti-gay crowd have to say about brain imaging that shows homosexuals have similar brain symmetry to straight women, and lesbians have similar symmetry to straight men?

Does this developmental difference effect your view of the natural occurrence of homosexuality? Can you really say homosexuality is a choice with such differences in brain structure?

www.sciencedaily.com...

Attraction is always the first step to love.

unless it's a romantic comedy, in which case you know the couple who fights the most are the ones will get together in the end.

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No actually, I am a persecuted gay man. I had a faith, and a very strong relationship with god as a young man, until I came into adulthood and realized who I was, and once it because obvious to others was asked to leave my church and not return. That severed my relationship with my faith.

My point was that its the Christians who are the loudest voices against gay marriage even though the negativity towards same sex marriage is generally universal when looked at through a religious scope.

Originally posted by SamLuv
reply to post by Annee

 

No actually, I am a persecuted gay man.

I had a faith, and a very strong relationship with god as a young man, until I came into adulthood and realized who I was, and once it because obvious to others was asked to leave my church and not return. That severed my relationship with my faith.

My point was that its the Christians who are the loudest voices against gay marriage even though the negativity towards same sex marriage is generally universal when looked at through a religious scope.

I think something was not understood in my post - - you responded to.

I agree with you.

Fundamental Christians think they are persecuted in America. They are not. They are simply losing the vice-grip control they had on this country - - and they're going down kicking and screaming.

Have you ever watched Benji Schwimmer's video?

www.youtube.com...

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I always try and take out the blame in every situation because i feel like it gets me no where, and only fuels my anger.. thus making it harder for me to remain cool, and amazing

And even though I agree with you that the Christians are upset they are losing their grip, I think its important to not demonize them either.. Because they are led into these beliefs through mass manipulation and exploitation of their convictions.

and I have not hear about the video or person in the video before. I will have to check it out.

Originally posted by SamLuv

And even though I agree with you that the Christians are upset they are losing their grip, I think its important to not demonize them either.. Because they are led into these beliefs through mass manipulation and exploitation of their convictions.

I try to specify Fundamental Christians. Those that impose/force their misguided ideologies on others.

There are good people who are Christian. All have a choice on what they CHOOSE to believe.

I must admit - - those former fundamentalists lining the Gay Pride Parade wearing the I'M SORRY t-shirts - - - did put a smile on my face.

I am a straight woman BTW. It is because of personal circumstances I fight this fight.

Originally posted by SamLuv

My point was that its the Christians who are the loudest voices against gay marriage even though the negativity towards same sex marriage is generally universal when looked at through a religious scope.

There are over 2.2 billion Christians in a world of 6 billion people. So, it's just a numbers game. Christians don't have the loudest voices, just the most voices because of how many Christians there are in the world.

Besides, I understand the Christian point. They really don't mind homosexuality for "others". It's just the Christians they really care about. Christians believe that God has already divided the world of people into those who will be saved and those who will not. In their view, those who are damned are doomed already, so if those people want to be homosexual, who cares. It's just those individuals who want to be both called "Christian" and called "Homosexual" that is a problem for the Christians. In their mind, it corrupts what it means to be a Christian.

I guess if a homosexual doesn't want to be a Christian, he wouldn't hear anything from those Christians either.

I say leave the Christians with their silly beliefs, and gays and lesbians can be merry. Why on earth would a liberated gay or lesbian want to adopt and follow those antiquated religious beliefs from the last century anyway?

If homosexuals want religion they could create their own God, write their own Bible, a modern God, with modern and liberated views. Why stick to an old historic book?

Be yourself, be free, get rid of the shackles of the past old world era. It's a new world out there.

I guess since America is largely a Christian nation, those who live in America might feel that those Christian voices are everywhere, but fewer and fewer people are believing in God these days. Man is waking up from his deep sleep, when he needed those props.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

There are over 2.2 billion Christians in a world of 6 billion people. So, it's just a numbers game. Christians don't have the loudest voices, just the most voices because of how many Christians there are in the world.

I only focus on the United States.

Christians are the dominant religious voice in America.

As I am 65 - - I have been watching them lose their grip for quite sometime. Seems the less actual control they have - - the louder they get in claiming they are the persecuted.

Originally posted by Annee

As I am 65 - - I have been watching them lose their grip for quite sometime. Seems the less actual control they have - - the louder they get in claiming they are the persecuted.

I guess that's just because their infamous "book" prophesies that in the "last days" people will lose faith in God, and follow after their own lusts, and Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs. Since it's in their book, and they see this happening now, many have come to believe that it must be getting close to those "last days".

Perhaps, it's just the last days for Christians. But, for everybody else, life goes on. So, in some weird fantastical way, their book is completely correct, but only really applies to them, not to the rest of us. They might still imagine that gays and lesbians are suffering in hell, while in fact, from the homosexual point of view, they have finally been liberated and have become free.

One man's heaven is another man's hell, and visa versa.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

Perhaps, it's just the last days for Christians. But, for everybody else, life goes on. So, in some weird fantastical way, their book is completely correct, but only really applies to them, not to the rest of us. They might still imagine that gays and lesbians are suffering in hell, while in fact, from the homosexual point of view, they have finally been liberated and have become free.

One man's heaven is another man's hell, and visa versa.

Love your "take".

I was raised Christian - - - not the Fundamental Fire and Brimstone - - - but enough to know what its all about.

I think every generation the world is ending for them.

I prefer new beginning - - minus ancient dogma.