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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by King_John
I agree that great disparity exists in the United States... my feeling is that it is no longer a racial issue - it is a class issue. Since the economy tanked most of my neighbors and friends have barely been getting by, have had to go on public assistance, have lost their cars, homes, etc... and most of them were white.
Racial wounds still exist in this nation, and I don't deny that at all. But I do beleve that we solve nothing by continuing to pick those scabs. We are all onboard a sinking ship right now.... we can either work together to bail water and survive... or we can discuss or differences and sink.
~Heff
Heff, no question you do see things for what they are.......We all hate people who are poorer than we are.
Black and white was over with years ago.
A guy who makes 500k a year does not want to hang out with someone who lives on 40k a year....color of that person be damned.
I only make about 45k a year, and I will state very honestly that I have no one in the 20k bracket that I call my friend, nor do I have anyone in the 200k bracket that I call my friend. We don't mind working together at our jobs, but the minute I punch the time clock our relationship ends. and I am ok with that.
There was a time when I knew people who had money. We would be sitting around partying and one of them would get an idea of going someplace for the weekend, like Vegas. Come on Ron lets go to Vegas for the weekend. Then I would have to convince them that there is no way in hell I could afford to just run off to Vegas like that.
Before too long they just stopped asking, and not too long after that we just stopped hanging out.
And I am guilty of the same. I would say Lets go out to dinner, and my less well off friends would not be able to afford that...and the situation repeats itself.
No sir it is not race that drives us apart anymore.......and I am ok with that
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
reply to post by James1982
The issue is not that you cannot understand, its that you do not try to understand. Like all you've done is complain about ways you are disadvantaged, right? While expressing no empathy or granting credence to complaints of any other groups. You keep jumping to this place where you're like, "i'm white and I have it just as hard as you." While not making an effort to understand anything. Which is just extremely irritating.
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by James1982
And that my friend is entertainment! You also forget that Oprah Winfrey was one of the most watched black entertainers on the TV.
However does that prevent white privelidge.
I will ask you again if white racists exist do they not promulgate white privelidge? If you look at Page 4 you will see my first post?
It would be great if people sought to sold the problem of racism rather than than perfoming the gymnastics of denial at all cost.
Originally posted by Tiger5
Please ask Pete Wilson. The demographics in the 80 were such as you make the official state language to be spanish but he vetoed it.
I am fine with that.
Granted that America is still the land of opportunity to many who would come over here and not make reasonable attempt to learn the language. Please submit relevant statistics to support your inference.
Even if you deliberatley ignore my previous coments I will continue to engage with your misconceptions
kind Regards
Tiger5
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
reply to post by James1982
Actually we've reconnected since as adults. One good thing facebook has ever done for me. Man she is an accomplished woman these days. Almost to the point describing my job which is pretty sweet is embarrassing. In the end even though we reconnected as adults we did't work out and have kept the relationship at friend level. But yeah it was obvious racism. As a young teen I simply couldn't understand why I couldn't be her boyfriend simply because I was white. At the time I was envolved heavily in the asian community. Her dad knew that. Heck he used to see me assisting my sensei at the local martial arts demonstrations. I even spoke a little bit of mandarin and knew a lot about their culture and customs. Even all of that was not enough to make me acceptable as a boyfriend for her dad. It is what it is. But it was racism against me due to my skin color.
Originally posted by Tiger5
Capitlaism is a white invention.
Originally posted by Charmed707
Why would you label those aspects as "white privilege"? It's simply minority disadvantage (if you choose to view it in a negative way). Minorities of ANY country face things such as not seeing as many of themselves in the media, in history books, or while out in public. Whites are NOT the majority in most countries and are a global minority. So why single out white people? As for makeup and hair care, I always see a plethora of products for every skin tone and hair texture and I live in a majority white town. If you go to a predominately black area, pretty much every local hair salon caters to black hair care needs.
If white racism and oppression is such a huge hurdle for non-whites, then why do so many of them flock to majority-white countries? Immigrants are constantly CHOOSING to be a minority, as well as choosing that for their descendents.. I couldn't imagine choosing to move to a country with a non-white majority and then whine about being a minority and the disadvantages (again-depends on perception) that go along with it. The only people who didn't choose to come here are slaves.
None of those in this thread who disagree have addressed the point of Asian success. Their superior success alone debunks the myth of 'white privilege'.edit on 8/9/2012 by Charmed707 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
First of all, why would you even start a thread, call it debunking white privilege, and then give simplistic not well thought out rebuttals? That defeats the purpose of having this type of discourse which is why I felt like I may have been wasting my time responding to it. But anyway, here goes.
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Whites are the majority in pretty much every profession in this country. The amount of minorities present in things like labor type jobs vary depending on where you live. This essay may be just as relevant to a labor job. This article may not have been addressing more professional type jobs, thats what I got from it though based on everything else she wrote. Plus, in the more modern era, they are the places where minorities typically report facing the most difficulties in the workplace, from what I have read. The emphasis is usually put on jobs that require a professional degree.
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
First, as I stated in the beginning, whites generally are the majority in every job nationwide. Do you see what you are advocating here though? People should ignore their skills and personal aspirations simply because they might have to deal with being the minority on the job. You really think thats ok? Wouldn't it make more sense have a more inclusive work environment?
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
reply to post by James1982
Originally posted by James1982
I turn on my TV and see minorities represented positively everywhere just like white people, and that's on regular stations. As much as white people? Absolutely not. Why would they be? They are minorities, that's the whole point. A minority will be represented less than a majority, because there are less of them.
No, that is absolutely false, lol. Minorities are not represented in the media at a number that matches the population of minorities in America. You only *think* they are because you are white.
According to the US Census Bureau for 2009 just over 65 percent of the population is white. Minorities, or people of color, make up just under 35 percent, with the percentage of Latinos in the US being 15.8 percent, of African Americans, 12.9 percent, and the third largest minority group, Asians, making up just under five percent of the American population. How many minorities are in the media? According to the American Screen Actors Guild, in 2008 of all television and theatrical roles, excluding animation, the percentage of different ethnic groups is as follows: Caucasian — 72.5 African American — 13.3 Latino — 6.4 Asian — 3.8 Native American — .3 For leading roles the percentage of Caucasian characters is higher and that of minority roles is lower for all minority groups. Comparing the numbers of the actual population to those of the people presented on screen, there is not enough diversity in the media. The ethnic group with the greatest disparity between the numbers in reality and those for television and film roles is the Latino population. Read more at Suite101: Are There Enough Images of Minorities in the US Media? | Suite101.com suite101.com...
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Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Originally posted by James1982
I was also taught about george washington carver and the tuskegee airmen. Do you think a couple people contributed as much as millions and millions over a long period of time?
There are other people who contributed to the success of America, that should be mentioned that are not in the teaching of American history.
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by James1982
No You simply do not understand the idea of capitalism as an economic system. I am refering to capitalism as a comparatively modern economic and governing system. It is only 400 years old and was born on the back of slavery in the west.
You simply take one small sentence to rebut an entire argument? Wow!
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
I'm not saying minorities get equal play in history class. Why should they? Are you saying that minorities have contributed equally to the formation of this country? The founding fathers were white, all presidents up until Obama was white, major military and political figures were white. Because the number of white people is vastly greater than that of other races, that means white people have a larger contribution to the US than other races, hence more coverage of white people in history classes.
Why should minorities get equal play in history classes? You cannot be serious. First of all not all white people are exceptional, the only ones that are mentioned did something special, right? Because if they did something exceptional that helped to form the nation it should be mentioned.Thats why influential minority figures, events, accomplishments should be mentioned. I'm talking about things that are omitted and overlooked. Also, not all the presidents were white and not all the major political figures were white.
What problem do you see with that? You can't falsely inflate the percentage of contributions made from minorities simply to make schools cover all races equally, how would that be right?
It would not be falsely inflating anything, it would be giving credit where credit is due. I'm NOT saying include non-stories
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
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It would not be falsely inflating anything, it would be giving credit where credit is due. I'm NOT saying include non-stories .edit on 10-8-2012 by acmpnsfal because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by James1982
No You simply do not understand the idea of capitalism as an economic system. I am refering to capitalism as a comparatively modern economic and governing system. It is only 400 years old and was born on the back of slavery in the west.
You simply take one small sentence to rebut an entire argument? Wow!
I'll reply to your reply about my reply, I don't think you are wasting your time and honestly hope you don't feel you are either. I read and think about all your posts so you aren't wasting your time in my eyes. My replies might come a bit slow as my thoughts are more complex than the simple rebuttals I posted in my OP.