Curiosity Has Not Landed - But Is Good Entertainment For The TV Brain Washed Masses

Originally posted by g146541
Bottom line folks, if we set foot on the moon 43 years ago, then why do we not have space colonies?

Too expensive and not practical technically until fairly recently.

It is not because of the technology, we have had tech to grow plants in outer space and we know how to generate oxygen and we know how to build an airtight box, what more do you need that we cannot do?

Have a huge financial support to pay for all of that. This is why many of us believe in the commercialization of space. Which will eventually drive down the cost of manned spaceflight.

Why have we not gone forth into the universe?

It's Fricken HUGE. BTW, Voyager 1 & 2 are well on their way.

This "trustworthy" Gumment that won't let us know where bin laden was buried or details of the 911 false flag or many other conspiracy facts down through history due to national security...

Not everything is a false flag or Black op etc etc etc. You know, the "Gumment" as you put it does rarely sometimes get's things right.

This is just one reason why I question their trustworthiness.

Nothing wrong IMO to question.

How bout those hi res photos of our flags on the moon ehh?

I could be mistaken but didn't the Japanese [Or some other source] release some images of a Lunar landing site which were scoffed at by many here at ATS for varying personal reasons?

Originally posted by humphreysjim

Originally posted by Samuelis
reply to post by humphreysjim

 

I wasn't talking about your avatar.

jokes aside. There's no harm in some nutty thinking at 2am in the morning. If I told friends and family about flat earth then I would obviously be a downer.

What if we are all downers built and powered by NASA in a plot to populate space with the downer gene.

What if USA managed to get through a couple of days without NASA massacering everybody.

reply to post by Wongbeedman

They've been there for years.

and they're broke...
you do know this right? thus the 'reason' we needed to send ANOTHER one....

Originally posted by SpittinTruth
What the heck are they going to learn from Mars that will help us on planet Earth? I fail to see the point in this mission, especially when our planet is in the shape it's in!

My point ...

EXACTLY~!!

Originally posted by Samuelis
reply to post by g146541

 

At risk of going too far; has any of you guys considered that the earth might actually be flat? With an open mind it actually could be true? If you go past a certain height there is a massive LED screen. Our eyes give us the illusion of horizon curvature. Aeroplane windows are bent deliberatly. Moon landing never happened, NASA "accidentally" recorded over all of the original moon landing film. (the only copy)
The UN logo
Antarctica surrounds our whole planet. Sounds a bit nuts, but what if?

hmmmmm....................

because amateur rocket enthusiasts have video of the earth being round and stuff ??

A few people have referenced the cost of the Curiosity Mission as being wasted for various reasons.

2.5 BILLION spent on the Curiosity mission is less than the cost to manufacture 2 B-2 Stealth Bombers. The overall B-2 development program cost over 50 billion dollars. The cost in flight time for the B-2 pushes 155,000 per hour.
Annual US military expenditure worldwide is close to 1.7 trillion annually, that equals in cost a few thousand curiosity missions.

Just giving some perspective.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Too expensive and not practical technically until fairly recently.

But instead of finishing work locally we go way out to another planet?
I dunno Bro. My spidey senses are tingling.
If we built a hub on the moon or in outerspace similar to a starbase, we could fuel and launch from there.
Kind of like putting your foot in the door.

I could be mistaken but didn't the Japanese [Or some other source] release some images of a Lunar landing site which were scoffed at by many here at ATS for varying personal reasons?

Yes but they were low res and pretty grainy.
Like I said earlier, I remember a picture taken from a satellite of a dime on the sidewalk from my youth.
Why can we not do this with technology that is exponentially greater on the moon, and the moon has no atmosphere either.

I believe these are reasonable questions I have, I'd just like reasonable answers before the US spends the next 2.5 billion.

If you dont believe that thing is on Mars then you would not believe you can plug a little device the size of your pinky finger into a box and watch full length HD movies from it or store whole encyclopedias full of information on that little device. I would not have believed it was possible either but it is not only possible but taken for granted.

Look at the Star Trek T.V shows from the 60's where they talk into small hand held wireless devices and today we are all doing that and more with those small devices. Whoever came up with that idea on that show was way ahead of his time and he turned out to be correct.

From my own perspective i love images from space and hope we put unmanned probes further to see what is really out there. If we find an earth like planet (some think we already have) this would be shocking and profound. Think if it is suitable for humans to walk around on that planet and some day we can send humans there.

Where does this "TV Brain Washed Masses" we seem to see repeatedly stem from? I think what happens is some or even many are under the impression that "everyone is brainwashed except for me or those who agree with me"...this is a form of delusion. Human nature is sometimes odd and at some point we need to attribute this to inherent limitations. I am not referring to the OP but sometimes we just have this need to think we alone are better than everyone else. Then consider the alternative and thinking you are less or not as good is not healthy either.

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by Komodo
and flying to Mars to see a lifeless plantet we could have looked at thru our telescopes/Hubble.....

is productive??? How.. ?

Because just maybe the probe is designed to do things that you can't do from a telescope?

ahh..

to confirm that they are TRULY rocks.. LOL

check~!

reply to post by g146541



Fair enough but let me ask you this....

Who is going to pay for a monbase/Colony?
The Gumment?

Because unless we commercialize space then that leaves only two other sources for expansion into it. Wealthy Private citizens or the Gumment. Which one you don't trust and the other will be a colony of Elites on the Moon/Mars.

If we are going to colonize the Moon/Mars the colony has to be near self sustaining financially with jobs for the colonists to be viable. Otherwise it's a Gummnet lunar or Mars installation or a private playground for the elites .

Originally posted by FoKiT
reply to post by chrisb9

 

NASA HAHA, Never A Straight Answer. Were the F is This.??

Yes it's Mars, it's a dried lake bed in the Mohave desert!

reply to post by crawdad1914


Ya but someone could be just pocketing the money and we get a good looking Hollywood robot prop and a few grainny photos for all that money.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Who is going to pay for a monbase/Colony?
The Gumment?

Fair question as well, we could have used the funds on every other space project and done this, from there we could go much deeper into space, and develope technologies in outer space.
Imagine a truly dust free tech lab, experiments there could be almost 100 percent perfect.
We could also mine the moon and sell the rocks to folks here on earth for cash, the pet rock made some guy a millionaire you know.
And what if we found a rare metal on the moon, unobtanium would go for more than gold!

Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by crawdad1914

 

Ya but someone could be just pocketing the money and we get a good looking Hollywood robot prop and a few grainny photos for all that money.

I get you're point. Im simply pointing out how "little" 2.5 billion is compared to monies spent elsewhere. Thats the only point I was making.

I understand where the OP is coming from. I mean, I've never seen Obama. I've seen him on TV and heard people talk about him. Most of the things I know I've never seen directly or touched. Most of the history of my country I've only read, not experienced. Only things I KNOW are few and far between. This make it easy to take things for granted since it's all on faith.

I think Curiosity is on Mars. It's only the things I've read about Gilbert Levin and life on mars that makes me wonder if there's more going on underneath the obvious. And why has Russia failed so hard to get to Mars? Why has the US had comparable success? I mean, Russia managed to put a lander on Venus in 1975. Yet, they can't put one on Mars? That's hard for me to understand.

See here:
www.space.com ...

And you can bold this:

Phobos-Grunt: Russia, launched Nov. 8, 2011 on a mission to the Mars moon Phobos. The robotic probe malfunctioned after launch and is currently stuck in Earth orbit. The $163 million Phobos-Grunt spacecraft's thrusters failed to fire in a maneuver that would have sent the spacecraft on to Mars. Engineers have about three days to figure out and fix the problem, according to Russian news reports.

It doesn't prove much. All it shows is that Russia has failed consistently in its Mars missions. The US has succeeded a great deal and the only other country to have a partial success is Europe.

What if the only country that succeeded consistently was Russia? What if the conditions were reversed and it was the US that had failed to complete its missions? How would we feel then?

The Gilbert Levin issue is simple. He thinks the life detection experiment on Viking detected life. NASA thinks it didn't. Furthermore, NASA seems to have given up on life detection experiments.

See here:
gillevin.com...

Here's a article from his site (written by Alan Boyle) that wraps it all up in easy to read format:
gillevin.com ...

Gilbert Levin is just one man, but there're others to back him up a bit. Bottom line, the vast majority of the sciences are still brutally skeptical and critical of any claims about ET life.

These links relate to the life detection experiment that Gilbert Levin was part of:
www.dailymail.co.uk ...
spaceflightnow.com ...
www.spacedaily.com ...

* note that Beagle 2 (british made) could have detected organic molecules
* www.astrobio.net ...

reply to post by g146541


I have no issues with any of that. But I too question big Government and would like to see another entity not just Big Brother paying for all of it for various reasons. Also, Big Brother is more than likely to hide any major discovery than say some miners working for a living when they possibly dig something up

You know in life the Could of, Should of, Would of's will kill you.

reply to post by chrisb9


You Sir,or Ma'am are a pessimist.And the worst kind of pessimist to boot.An educated pessimist who is smart enough that your pessimistic rants actually make sense,to a point.Do you really believe the crap you are spewing?I for one do not.But of course you are entitled to your opinion.Just as I am entitled to believe you are full of yourself.You say that no one can prove that this Mars landing actually ocurred.OK.True.But I am more inclined to believe the fine,educated men and women at NASA,and JPL, than some doubting thomas with a computer and a keyboard.And where is your proof that it was faked?As we are fond of saying here on ATS,"No photos? Didn't happen." I have seen some of NASA's photo's,where are your's?Yeah.Thought so.Good Day.

I agree with the OP on this one. The timing seems to perfect. Landing a rover on Mars just as the Olympics are in full swing, with all the talk before hand of some great event that will happen just as the Olympics end, something ET related.
All the so called wars we are being bombarded with, mass shootings. What a better way to make the final push for world government and get the blessing of the masses. We all come together in celebration of our so called discovery.
I believe this so called event will be the setting they use to stage their next hoax and that will be they will discover some form of Extra terrestrial life or will be contacted by some form of life and it will all be caught on Curiosities camera.
Nasa has been faking stuff for decades, they are in the best position now to be the agency to complete the greatest hoax ever to be perpetrated on mankind.
We were warned by Wernher Von Braun that this would be the next threat after terrorists. That TPTB would use this hoax to scare us into final submission.
Watch for it folks as you stare intensely at the fake pictures from Mars, it will come slowly and they will play it like a scene from a movie, building up the suspense and the uncertainty until everyone on the planet is focused on one thing until nothing else matters.It will be so believable that anyone who questions it will be instantly villified. World government cannot be finalized unless the whole world is on board and the only way for that to happen is to create an external threat that brings "humanity together".
What you see on T.V now with all the so called random events is a finally crafted orchestra of story telling and drama to plant a mood in the collective minds of people to create a mass feeling of dispair. Failing economies,wars, financial scandals, mass shootings, etc,and all it would take would be one spectacular event to turn that mood into a mass feeling of hope or togetherness as a species and our governments would be right there to guide us into this new future. But remember it's the external threat that will get the masses to hide under the skirts of their specifics governments and allow the final chess pieces to be put in place. So what might start out as a great discovery , will quickly turn into a threat to all of humanity, then they will have us , hook, line and sinker.

reply to post by r2d246


I didn't say it was mars but if you want to fake a mars landing the earth is the best spot to fake it.

Im not saying the landing IS fake but in this time and economic crisis its a great way to laundry money out of blackbudget fundings so they can say no way blackbudget its nasa fault we are 17tril in debt.
And why els trow money around like that when your ppl live on welfare.?

Originally posted by Maxatoria
we've had proof for ages that theres life on mars and we've been there

How did ArMap get on Mars? Ah, now I get, its not really Mars. So then we have plenty of time to go look up the Arizona desert once we get some good pics in a week or so. Curiousity will be around for quite a while, I don't see them pulling the plug after 90 sols if all is going well. We could look up Opportunity as well.