Chick-fil-A "non-story" exposes the Hypocritical agenda of LGBT Community.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by murphy22

Then, where and in what way do they get unequal rights? I really do not understand, in what way are they not equal?

In America. When LGBTQ have Full Legal Federal Marriage - - - and are included on the Federal Protection list of minorities.

Then they are Equal. Not until.

Why do they have to be put on a list of "protected minorities"??? how does that make them equal? Equal to what? Other minorities?

Because they are a minority.

Protection from majority that doesn't think everyone should have the same Equal Rights.

You must work for the Lawyers guild?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
And BTW Annee, there are over 48,600,000 results, when you look for links to gay Christians and Christian communities,

Christians are also very diverse, you cannot continue to lump them all in the same category.

I grew up Christian.

I don't need you to tell me about Christians.

When speaking of anti-gay Christians - - - that is who we are speaking of.

I don't think its necessary I constantly every time have to qualify that it is not all Christians.

You need to clear off the enormous chip on your shoulder. Growing up with Christians? So nobody needs to tell you about them?

So if I say that I grew up with a couple of gay people, nobody needs to tell me about them! or how about "I grew up with black people, I know all about them"...

lump people together much?

I think you're just as intolerant and bigoted as the rednecks who boycotted oreo... you just hide it under a veil of fighting for civil rights.

Speaking of the 10 commandments. Hmmmm Solon (638 BCE - 558 BCE)

The Ten Commandments of Solon (founder of Athenian democracy)

1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.

One things I find remarkable about Solon (638 BCE - 558 BCE), other than the fact that when repealing the laws of Draco he re-wrote Athens Constitution in poetic verse (in 594 BCE), making him the first person in history to formalize democratic principles in government, is that after doing so he went into self-imposed exile for ten years to ensure that he would not become a tyrant.

dailydoubt.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by jimmyx
maybe bible-thumpin', scripture-quotin',confedrate flag-wavin' christians would understand, if their own kids were killed, maimed, brutalized, bullied, shunned, made fun of, just for being christian...
maybe being an elite, just means you have critical-thinking skills combined with a degree of tolerance.

Your post confused the hell out of me, the second statement and the first don't seem to really go into the same point.

But - you think gay people are the only ones who get mistreated? Hell, most kids get beat up for having red hair, or being too tall, or having glasses, or being poor, or being too smart...

hell man, it's not like being gay is the sole affliction of the world.

Originally posted by Annee
Speaking of the 10 commandments. Hmmmm Solon (638 BCE - 558 BCE)

The Ten Commandments of Solon (founder of Athenian democracy)

1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.

One things I find remarkable about Solon (638 BCE - 558 BCE), other than the fact that when repealing the laws of Draco he re-wrote Athens Constitution in poetic verse (in 594 BCE), making him the first person in history to formalize democratic principles in government, is that after doing so he went into self-imposed exile for ten years to ensure that he would not become a tyrant.

dailydoubt.blogspot.com...

Murder? not in that one... hmmm, well THIS disproves everything I've said!

good grief.

Nobody here said that Christians were the authors of all good ideas Annee, again, you're avoiding the obvious truth - you're arguments hold no water.

Would you be more comfortable we just degraded into "Yah-huh" and "No-ah"....?

How about "I'm right infinity + 1 more than you can ever say!"

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by jimmyx
hmmm...if taco bell gave 5 million dollars to organizations that are working against christian fundamentalists and the owner came out and publicly said he doesn't believe in the christian lifestyle...i'm sure there wouldn't be anybody opposed to taco bell or the owner for the words spoken along with the actions taken...right??....hey, it's just tacos..

Poor attempt at tu quoque for an anecdotal argument here.

Arguing a hypothetical scenario with your presumed result does not justify another scenario that actually happened.

i wasn't trying to show justification with a hypothetical... i was trying to show accepted, but unjustified bigotry.
i'll make it easier...shoe, on other foot....

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by jimmyx
hmmm...if taco bell gave 5 million dollars to organizations that are working against christian fundamentalists and the owner came out and publicly said he doesn't believe in the christian lifestyle...i'm sure there wouldn't be anybody opposed to taco bell or the owner for the words spoken along with the actions taken...right??....hey, it's just tacos..

Wanna bet?

LGBTQ already knows about these business that donate large sums to officially designated anti-gay hate groups. They already knew about Mr. Cathy.

Its the media that picked it up and went with it.

Thankfully Lauren Kelley, the activism and gender editor at AlterNet, pulled together a list of five food companies run by radical right wingers."who’ve spent significant money opposing gay rights, abortion rights, and other important causes and funding attack ads against left-leaning politicians."

Among Alternet's top four:

1. Chick-fil-A: Founder S. Truett Cathy puts his money where his mouth is when it comes to antigay organizing.

2. Carl’s Jr.: Founder Carl Karcher, who died in 2008, writes Kelley, had been a supporter of anti-abortion causes, like Operation Rescue, for decades. He also had a mean anti-gay streak as well, she says, and "gay rights groups dubbed his hamburgers 'bigot burgers' after Karcher supported a 1978 proposition that would have allowed school boards to fire teachers who were gay or advocated homosexuality."

3. White Castle: According to a ThinkProgress report on brands that give to radical ring wing causes, White Castle helped bankroll right wing attack ads giving $25,000 to the Congressional Leadership Fund super PAC, a group linked to House Speaker John Boehner, which supports conservative candidates in the upcoming election.

4. Waffle House: Also mentioned by ThinkProgress, says Kelley, has given $100,000 this election cycle to the Karl Rove super PAC American Crossroads.

UPDATED: Domino's Pizza was originally on AlterNet's list but was removed.

Check AlterNet for a complete explanation. www.advocate.com...

Well then, maybe the LGBTQ community should find businesses that promote their values. That's why it is called a free market.

Personally, I don't care what business supports what. If they give me a good deal, then I'll buy their product.

Oreo took quite the hit in profits when they came out publicly in favor of the LGBTQ community.

Chik-Fil-A made a profit despite the opposite stance based upon their CEO views to a magazine. Remember that it was the CEO's views, not the companies.

Originally posted by gncnew

You need to clear off the enormous chip on your shoulder. Growing up with Christians? So nobody needs to tell you about them?

Any chip you perceive - - - comes from your own mind and emotions.

So if I say that I grew up with a couple of gay people, nobody needs to tell me about them! or how about "I grew up with black people, I know all about them"...

Yes - - I agree with that. You would know they are just people. But people are individuals. You would not know every white individual either.

lump people together much?

Christianity is a belief system. It is not a person.

I was raised in the Christian belief.

I think you're just as intolerant and bigoted as the rednecks who boycotted oreo... you just hide it under a veil of fighting for civil rights.

Any emotions you perceive - - - are your own.

My position is Equal Rights.

I am not trying to deny a person's Equal Rights because of a personal belief.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by jimmyx
hmmm...if taco bell gave 5 million dollars to organizations that are working against christian fundamentalists and the owner came out and publicly said he doesn't believe in the christian lifestyle...i'm sure there wouldn't be anybody opposed to taco bell or the owner for the words spoken along with the actions taken...right??....hey, it's just tacos..

Poor attempt at tu quoque for an anecdotal argument here.

Arguing a hypothetical scenario with your presumed result does not justify another scenario that actually happened.

You can't shoe on the other foot and argue it nonsensically because that scenario has not happened.

BUT... we can look to Hollywood, that's essentially the arisen you've described is it not? And as far as I know, nobody has threatened to not go to movies any more, and no governors have come out and said that "Miramax Films are not welcome in their town"....

i wasn't trying to show justification with a hypothetical... i was trying to show accepted, but unjustified bigotry.
i'll make it easier...shoe, on other foot....

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Originally posted by gncnew





The spirit of the law v/s the letter of the law - context here is everything:

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles them . . .

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights . . .

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” (emphases mine.)

I think we often fail to recognize that the founders didn't envision a nation where the existence of religion itself was questioned. They instead were accomidating to make sure that all could worship God in their own way, and allotted for the non-belief in God, but this was not the basis of the moral code written into the law.

Interesting that your quotes talk about laws of nature and "Nature's God". There's nothing inherently Christian in those quotes. The founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. You can deny that all you want, but there is too much evidence in favor.

freethought.mbdojo.com...

Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Oreo took quite the hit in profits when they came out publicly in favor of the LGBTQ community.

Chik-Fil-A made a profit despite the opposite stance based upon their CEO views to a magazine. Remember that it was the CEO's views, not the companies.

This was the point that I was making with the second part of my post.

The LBGT community wants us all to think they're standing up for this silent mass of people... but when the two causes go head to head...

well... we know how that story goes.

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Well then, maybe the LGBTQ community should find businesses that promote their values. That's why it is called a free market.

LGBQT - - are not a group think. They are individuals - - just like every one else.

This is about Equal Rights.

Actually - - - more and more businesses are now finding the LGBQT market.

You know it seems all other religions keep getting left out of the arguments, list

Religion and homosexuality
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gncnew

You need to clear off the enormous chip on your shoulder. Growing up with Christians? So nobody needs to tell you about them?

Any chip you perceive - - - comes from your own mind and emotions.

So if I say that I grew up with a couple of gay people, nobody needs to tell me about them! or how about "I grew up with black people, I know all about them"...

Yes - - I agree with that. You would know they are just people. But people are individuals. You would not know every white individual either.

lump people together much?

Christianity is a belief system. It is not a person.

I was raised in the Christian belief.

I think you're just as intolerant and bigoted as the rednecks who boycotted oreo... you just hide it under a veil of fighting for civil rights.

Any emotions you perceive - - - are your own.

My position is Equal Rights.

I am not trying to deny a person's Equal Rights because of a personal belief.

If your position is equal rights, then you can't support the "boycott" of Chick-fil-A if you didn't support the boycott of Oreo... right?

That's just it. You're not for Equal Rights, you're for "My Agenda or Bust!".

Originally posted by gncnew

The LBGT community wants us all to think they're standing up for this silent mass of people... but when the two causes go head to head...

well... we know how that story goes.

Now you are reading the minds of the LGBTQ?

They want Equal Rights - - Period. Its just that simple.

Originally posted by gncnew

If your position is equal rights, then you can't support the "boycott" of Chick-fil-A if you didn't support the boycott of Oreo... right?

That's just it. You're not for Equal Rights, you're for "My Agenda or Bust!".

Free speech - boycotting - - - is a Constitutional Right.

So is creating Awareness of anti-gay hate groups and those who donate millions to support them.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by gncnew
The spirit of the law v/s the letter of the law - context here is everything:

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles them . . .

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights . . .

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” (emphases mine.)

I think we often fail to recognize that the founders didn't envision a nation where the existence of religion itself was questioned. They instead were accomidating to make sure that all could worship God in their own way, and allotted for the non-belief in God, but this was not the basis of the moral code written into the law.

Interesting that your quotes talk about laws of nature and "Nature's God". There's nothing inherently Christian in those quotes. The founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. You can deny that all you want, but there is too much evidence in favor.

freethought.mbdojo.com...

OMG... really? Really? Can we just stop the nit-pick crap and get to the meat and potatoes. We're not arguing law in a court, we're discussing something - but if you just refuse to acknowledge simple truths, then it's pointless.

The vast majority of the founders were Christian. Most of those that were not, were agnostic. Both denoting a faith in the same God, just not in the way to "worship" that God.

But now you're going to point to the word "Nature" and use that as the crux of your argument... holy sh!taki mushrooms you're being obtuse.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gncnew

The LBGT community wants us all to think they're standing up for this silent mass of people... but when the two causes go head to head...

well... we know how that story goes.

Now you are reading the minds of the LGBTQ?

They want Equal Rights - - Period. Its just that simple.

Then why boycott (well, attempt to boycott) a company based on the interview remarks of an employee? Especially a company that is ridiculously open about their faith based approach to business?

What battle are they fighting there? Is the fight to get churches to marry gay people? If so, why? I'm assuming gay people that want to get married have no interest in the beliefs and/or rules of a church, especially one that won't marry them...

so why the fight here? If it's for equal rights? Did Chick-Fil-A deny anyone equal rights?

Great points, I did not know about the oreo thing. People should be able to boycott or endorse anything in a freemarket, I think it was disgusting how the mayor basically told them to leave, government if it has to exist should defend both sides rights, even if we dont agree or care.

Originally posted by gncnew


But now you're going to point to the word "Nature" and use that as the crux of your argument... holy sh!taki mushrooms you're being obtuse.

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You didn't read the link, did you.