Mass Shooting at Oak Creek, WI

reply to post by Sek82


Just trying to be objective here. This is a link to the interview with the band. There is a pic of him with eyeglasses and does not look scary. Looks like they might be just musicians...

Band (End Apathy) interview with Alleged Wisc. Shooter Wade Page (not yet scrubbed) from American Everyman willyloman blog

End Apathy began in 2005 and the concept was based on trying to figure out what it would take to actually accomplish positive results in society and what is holding us back. A lot of what I realized at the time was that if we could figure out how to end peoples apathetic ways it would be the start towards moving forward. Of course after that it requires discipline, strict discipline to stay the course in our sick society. So, in a sense it was view of psychology and sociology. But I didn’t want to just point the finger at what other people should do, but also I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back. And that is how I wrote the song “Self Destruct”t

Since in the early interviews, witnesses mentioned 4 shooters and a well coordinated attack, could it be like, he was visiting the temple, and was set up to blame him of this unfortunate massacre ???

reply to post by TruthPhilic


This was a Neo Nazi band. There is no way he would be visiting the Temple for enlightenment . Give me a break.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

I hope that is not what they are talking about. If so, then that means the the cops were the murderers, and the guy shot dead was a hero trying to stop them. Oh wait I think I misunderstood what you were saying lol.

One of the witness videos for those that missed it.

Here is another

edit on Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:25:23 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

ALEX JONES Army Psyop Officer Set Up In Sikh Killings 4 SHOOTERS
by 4 man in black

This is the exact pattern we have seen in past staged events.

UPDATE: A family member whose parents were victims of the shooting said his parents told him there were "multiple shooters" involved in a "coordinated" attack.

An eyewitness to the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin says that a team of four men dressed in black carried out the massacre, contradicting the official narrative that a lone gunman was the culprit.

Just like the 'Batman' massacre, after which eyewitnesses clearly stated that James Holmes had an accomplice, today's tragedy in Oak Creek is already throwing up questions that may suggest a wider plot.

What's annoying in all of these shootings, is that they keep blaming one guy.

When clearly, even in mathematics, it points, to multiple shooters. CO and WI.

Now the lone gunman theory, I can clearly believe about the cruise ship in Mich.

I know they think some of us are dumb. But, come on. We're not that dumb. Or, are we?

first of, 2 things come to my mind. Comment about Sikhs and Olympics poster thread. second, is the fact I think this guy thought it was a muslim place of worship. So close for religious war, he thought, but he didn't know the difference. Any info on them? Any tensions in Europe?

Originally posted by Diluted
first of, 2 things come to my mind. Comment about Sikhs and Olympics poster thread. second, is the fact I think this guy thought it was a muslim place of worship. So close for religious war, he thought, but he didn't know the difference. Any info on them? Any tensions in Europe?

He knew the difference, he was trained in psyops. And to hold a decade long grudge, is absurd. He left the military in 1998 honorably. He only got out, due to a minor infraction that had nothing to do with the Sikh's, so why attack them now?

Peer pressure?

I may believe, with his group and his group band, as a probe to fit in. But, that's it.

The same gentleman that stated there were four gunmen dressed in black said there were 25 shot...we know this now to not be true. I think the "multiple" shooter theory is coming from different reports of different people in different locations seeing the same person. Additionally, all of the interviewees were getting their information second or third hand. We all know what happens when we play "telephone".

CNN

It was the latest violence against the Sikh community in the United States in apparent misdirected revenge for the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Misdirected revenge for 9/11? I guess, but the shooter is dead. We will never know the true motive.

reply to post by CrewFan22


Am I allowed to point out there's only one post and it's disproving multiple shooters? Honestly. I'm not the paranoid type either. Anyhow, Sikhs are peacefulpeaceful, right? Mostly from India, if I'm correct, any tensions?

reply to post by Sly1one

I predict more and more shootings, not because the gun isn't regulated, not because they are legal to own, but because people are losing their damned minds because we live in a sick society and there are any number of psychological tragedies that can attribute to someone losing their mind and doing something horrendous....

Some may be just going nuts......................many are not losing their minds - they have lost their souls.

Read Russ Dizdar's "The Black Awakening".

Simply turn on your TV, look at almost any magazine, movie, the popular best selling novels - look at our "entertainment", our architechture and symbolisms.

Read the lyrics to the most popular songs selling now.

I'm no prude, I was pretty wild in my day but it's gone way beyond crazy - it's totally demonic.

We are in the midst of a cosmic chess match and we all are the pawns.

Again, have said this before on ATS.....................time to suit up and choose sides.

We're going to be seeing a lot more of this kind of stuff as more and more lost souls awaken to do their master's bidding.

Yes Virginia there is a Satan.

reply to post by murch


Back grounds on theze ,people manchurian canidatesounds like to me

Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

I agree. If you listen to the radio transmissions it is clear there are several officers present. I don't know why errant MSM reports are taken as evidence of a conspiracy. The only conspiracy they are evidence of is the immense cover up of the pervasive incompetence, lack of ethics, and total lack of regard for trying to get the truth out that has saturated mainstream media news "coverage".

All you have to do is pick one broadcast news network and research ownership. Take ABC, for instance---owned by United Paramount Theaters and Walt Disney Company among others. What do these two companies do???? They MAKE MOVIES. So they dramatize, then tweek the "facts" for more drama, then skew it again till it sounds like a made-for-TV-movie drama.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by TruthPhilic

 

This was a Neo Nazi band. There is no way he would be visiting the Temple for enlightenment . Give me a break.

You're awfully brave making such sweeping assumptions?

I've got a few tattoed death metal biker buddies ... quite fun visiting the buddhist temple with them ... they're fun guys, and yeah, they know the meaning of respect for others.

This guy was ex military ... that's a whole other hand grenade.

Originally posted by Sek82

I'd characterize him as being "averagely decorated".

He received a lot of Army Achievement Medals for a 6 year term of service IMO. Depending on the Command climate these are basically over used "atta-boy" awards for inspections and other things that are basically seen as doing one's duty. The ARCOM is nothing special either. However, that said he served entirely during a time when there was no conflict going on so not really an opportunity for anything higher simply because of his rank.

On the types of discharge in order of worst to best...only the worst two have any limits on veteran's benefits.

Dishonorable
Other than Honorable
General
Honorable

Army Regulation 635-200

3–7. Types of administrative discharges/character of service
b. General discharge:
(1) A general discharge is a separation from the Army under honorable conditions. When authorized, it is issued to a Soldier whose military record is satisfactory but not sufficiently meritorious to warrant an honorable discharge.
(2) A characterization of under honorable conditions may be issued only when the reason for separation specifically
allows such characterization. It will not be issued to Soldiers solely upon separation at expiration of their period of
enlistment, military service obligation, or period for which called or ordered to AD.
c. Under other than honorable conditions discharge: A discharge under other than honorable conditions is an
administrative separation from the Service under conditions other than honorable. It may be issued for misconduct,
fraudulent entry, security reasons, or in lieu of trial by court martial in the following circumstances:
(1) When the reason for separation is based upon a pattern of behavior that constitutes a significant departure from
the conduct expected of Soldiers of the Army.
(2) When the reason for separation is based upon one or more acts or omissions that constitutes a significant
departure from the conduct expected of Soldiers of the Army. Examples of factors that may be considered include the following: (go to the link for long list of reasons)

reply to post by harryhaller


It's not sweeping. He was in fact a member of a WHITE

WHITE

WHITE

Supremacist . Neo-Nazi band.

Not only do they NOT visit people of colors places of worship to worship with them, they would not be welcomed their either.

Oh, and lets not forget what the DHS memo said about racist white supremacists joining the military in an effort to get training for their upcoming race war fantasy in which they will lose if they ever tried to start one.

Originally posted by harryhaller
This guy was ex military ... that's a whole other hand grenade.

What are you implying here?

Myself and millions of other Americans are ex-military. Well, retired officers are still technically officers in the military until age 65 but carried on the retired rolls. Still - ex military are called veterans BTW just so you know.

His discharge says a lot about him though and he obviously committed serial small infractions over time (pattern of misconduct) or chose discharge in lieu of court martial.

Veterans as a rule are more successful and commit less crime than those in the general population statistically. Probably less than 2-3% (or less) of people discharged receive an “other than honorable” or “general discharge”. They are not the pillars of the service and I wouldn't lump all "ex-military" or veterans into the same category.

reply to post by Golf66


Not to mention if he was a neo-nazi it's quite likely he didn't keep his mouth shut in service either. Being a racist will eventually get you booted if you flap your gums about it.

I don't think him being a veteran has anything to do with it. Plenty of idiots join and get kicked out.

reply to post by harryhaller


Ok this is interesting, the screen shot from youtube video

The guy has tattoo on the arm I guess. Is he trying to show off his friends that he is live on tv or making fun of the guy talking in front of him ? At around 0:47 sec.


Sorry that might be off the topic, but was strange to me when a tragic event like this could happen and affect any of ours....

A few updates I found.

First the FBI has cleared the "person of interest".

The 'person of interest' that the Federal Bureau of Investigations was interested in talking with in connection with the temple shooting investigation has been identified, contacted, and ruled out as having anything to do with the incident, FBI spokesman Leonard Peace said at 2:45 p.m.

jsonline.com

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More is coming out about Page.

Page joined the Army in 1992 and was administratively discharged in 1998 at the rank of specialist, according to an Army statement. The Associated Press - quoting two defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity - reported Page was demoted for getting drunk while on duty and going AWOL. Page also received extra duty and was fined.

During his time in the Army, Page was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before becoming a psychological operations specialist, said a defense official. Psy-ops specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for information and psychological effect.

Page was never deployed, the Army said.

(emphasis mine)

Also seems he had a problem with women and wanted to join the KKK.

About six to eight years ago, Page got a job at Cape Fear Harley Davidson as a parts coordinator, said general manager John Tew.

Tew recalled Page as quiet but odd, dressing in boots, high socks and shorts similar to what neo-Nazis are portrayed to wear in movies. He had many tattoos and was bald, though Tew didn't know whether that was because he kept his head shaved or because he had lost all his hair.

"He started off as a good worker, kept very quiet to himself, but executed his position well," Tew said.

Page took orders from service writers describing repairs needed for customers' motorcycles and delivered the parts to the mechanics. Trouble started because one of the service writers was female, Tew said.

"He cussed my service writer out," Tew said. "Basically because he felt that she was beneath him giving him orders, and in fact she was over him. ... He didn't like taking orders from any female."

Despite warnings, the clashes continued and Tew fired Page.

Tew said Page did not come in contact with customers, and he recalled no racial incidents involving him until the day Page was fired. After Page was gone, Tew found an application for joining the Ku Klux Klan on Page's desk.

"I threw that in the trash can," Tew said. "He came back looking for it. And I told him I discarded that. He got all chapped again."

fayobserver.com

Really makes me wonder about that girlfriend connection someone posted about earlier. Would not surprise me at all if his breakup is tied to this somehow.

reply to post by TruthPhilic


I would guess just another insensitive jerk seeking is half second of fame...