Romney and Obama are BOTH great people and strong leaders

So much of the political discussion is partisan and one sided. Is there anyone willing to be optimistic about both candidates?

Yes, eventually we will be asked to choose one or the other. But even getting your name on the ballot is a phenomenal accomplishment. One of these men will be leading the most influential nation in the world in a few months and all indications are it will be a close election. Considering that nearly half the country will not have their candidate in office, it is important to see good qualities in both. Otherwise, one is set up to be in a world of disappointment come November.

Taking the stance that only one of them is legitimately presidential potentially distances yourself from the government and the other half of the population. If your candidate loses you will spend the next four years in complete disagreement.

Regardless of who wins the election, they deserve some level of respect and support as executive of the government. Otherwise, one puts themselves at odds with the entire democratic system.

Of the millions that vote democrat, it is ridiculous to propose that they are all flat out wrong and misinformed. Same goes for the millions that vote republican.

Looking at either Romney or Obama and failing to recognize their incredible accomplishments is as cynical as it gets and represents a major flaw within the population which is bias and closed mindedness.

The presidential election is not only about voting for a candidate that best represents yourself, but also understanding why one would choose the other.

How about all three candidates? How about the one who will be the next president, you know, RON PAUL? Let's be real, Ron Paul is the only candidate for the people!

reply to post by ajay59


I'll gladly include Ron Paul as an great person and leader. Sorry I left him out.

I may have wrongly assumed that it is a two man race at this point.

Obama is a great person?

Really?

Even ultra-liberal Susan Sarandon says she is disappointed with Obama.

The economy is dismal. Jobs are non-existent. Obama has escaled the loss of liberty in this country a thousand fold, and has increased citizen spying, signed the NDAA into law (you must not be familiar with the NDAA), and generally, borrowed us into oblivion, while bailing out the crooks at the banks...

Why don't ATS Obama supporters get that he was put into office to bring the NWO to town? How is this not obvious to you?

Do you come here often? How could you not know this?

I have a difference of opinion. I believe Obama is smart but certainly not great. He has successfully divided this country into believing it's all about whether or not the top 10 percent pay a whole lot more than the rest of us or not.

That's the trouble with great sounding speeches that don't help you at all. It all sounds good but doesn't work. He has divided this country instead of really cooperating. Of course there is a strong difference of opinion whether this country should become socialist with the government providing for all and taking even more of our income or cutting back our government and letting everyone keep more. Regardless, I'm not that happy with either choice because we need this economy to grow faster to work off our large debt. The government could take all the income of the top 10 percent in this country and it would not be enough to balance our budget.

We need policies to promote faster growth while cutting back government spending that doesn't help. The current administration's idea of cutting back is to wait a few more years and raise taxes on everyone after the election.

Originally posted by MRuss


Why don't ATS Obama supporters get that he was put into office to bring the NWO to town? How is this not obvious to you?

I'd hardly characterize the OP as being 'supportive' of Obama. I mean, why didnt you call him/her a Romney supporter?

Originally posted by MassOccurs


Regardless of who wins the election, they deserve some level of respect and support as executive of the government.

Respect is earned.

Amassing wealth, at the expense of people, does not mean you deserve respect.

There are quite a few flaws in the logic of this thread.

I'll say I respect your opinion but disagree 100%.

Both candidates are paid shills for corrupt robbers that keep the citizens hostage.

reply to post by MassOccurs


You cant be serious... right?

Your entire premise is abjectly flawed. Corruption is all pervasive in government, and no one gets "elected" (see: appointed) unless they are part of the agenda. There is no "democratic system", all that rubbish is there to give you the illusion you have a choice so the population doesnt get uppity and violently revolt against the tyranny in place.

That said, the notion that the title of the thread could ever even remotely be true is ludicrous. Both Obama and Romney are nothing but whores and puppets on strings; thats how theyve gotten so far to begin with. With both its so blatantly obvious that they are fakes and disingenuous, its getting more and more frustrating watching so many still be fooled by their act, and thats all it is, an act. Neither of them give a damn about you, me, or the rest of the country. They only care for their own egos, power, bank accounts, and prestige.

Romney and Obama are shills to the highest degree and both represent corporate interests and the continued oppression of the people. Ron Paul is a great person. Vote for him regardless, even if the votes are rigged and the game is fixed, just on principle. Voting for either of the other two fools, no matter who you think is the lesser evil, is still a vote for evil, and a grant of consent to be governed by that evil.

Vote for the good, no matter what, regardless of if their "on the ballot" or not. Use the write in slot; its there for a reason!

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


Thank you.

My head almost exploded reading the OP.

To the OP:

I can almost understand your thought process in this thread. Don't take this the wrong way, I am not trying to offend or blast your thread. But I think you are being grossly optimistic in your evaluation of these two men. To the point of just being naive.

Regardless of your political affiliation. If you look back on their political and profession careers, and take stock of the choices they have made and the actions taken. You will find that everything they have done to get to this point has been done to profit themselves and their associates at the cost of everyone else's freedom and standard of living.

In a nutshell they are corrupt power hungry parasites feasting on our country.

If you can understand this, then you will understand a good portion of ATS's anger and frustration.

So the feedback I'm getting is...

Neither Romney or Obama have any concern whatsoever for the general well being of America and the reason they are running for president is for personal gain or else they are being forced and manipulated by a cartel of financiers that control the world with an ultimate goal of complete domination over the public.

What's the probability that you're all underestimating the character of elected officials and people of influence in general?

I'm assuming you'll all say that Bush2, Clinton, Bush1, Reagan, Carter, on and on were all similarly NWO pawns, as well as everyone in a position of influence throughout the western world.

How do you explain then, improvements of society over the last 50 years? Longer life expectancy, information access.

Isn't this forum in itself an indication that we have some level of freedom and democracy?

reply to post by MassOccurs

What is the "job" of president?

Is it to take care of us?
Is it to help us?
Is it to give us stuff?

or

Is it to lead and be the representative of the US for the worlds stage?

A persons acceptance of a "public servant" is only based on what the job description is.

lol, this is not your typical ATS thread...

Let's face it, Romney and Obama are, to put it simply, not good for this country.

Both prefer robbing the people, both prefer pre-emptive war, both prefer the federal reserve/central banking system, both are connected to Bilderburg/CFR/Tri-Lateral/IMF/UN.

Yes, we can sit here all day and be positive people and just assume Robamney want the best for this country but are led astray by their administrations but we all know they are aware of their actions. ATS is meant to pull politicians apart and find out what exactly is in the closet. What these guys have in their closets is not pretty, in fact their closets are very dark.

One faked his birth certificate (FACT)
The other is afraid to and refuses to release his tax information (FACT)

It's like this. Does the cheesecake tell the owner how to run the restuarant and what to serve on the menu? So do you want new york cheese cake or chocolate cheese cake. Yes they're both very appealing. And both have there roll within the restuarant, basically too look tasty that's it.

Glorified male spokes models. All they have to do is be able to look good and read a teleprompter and look important, smart and like a leader. They don't have to be a real leader though. Theyre a spokes model. And the voting machines decide which of them goes to office not you that's for sure.

How can somebody be a strong leader if he's not even a leader in the first place?

At least concede me this...

In a correctly functioning democracy with two candidates to choose from for executive, both would be leaders of exceptional quality.

probably wasn't even worth posting that...

Alright, concede me this...

The election cycle has the positive effect of increasing political interest for the local minded citizen, as well as young people early in education.

IS ANYTHING POSITIVE HAPPENING HERE

reply to post by MassOccurs


Even if i disagree with about 98% of the substance of your post, I appreciate the sincere desire to get people to look at an issue from a new perspective. I tend to think if someone cant look at something from many angles, that they are merely parroting dogma, and not engaging in real open thought processes.

I'll bite
First neither one of them are decent. Nor are they strong leaders.
Obamma has divided this country more than any president in history.
Romney is no better.
They are both puppets cask from the same mold. the only difference is their skin color.

reply to post by MassOccurs

In a correctly functioning democracy with two candidates to choose from for executive, both would be leaders of exceptional quality.

Crickets

Originally posted by MassOccurs
At least concede me this...

In a correctly functioning democracy with two candidates to choose from for executive, both would be leaders of exceptional quality.

Perhaps. But more likely it would just be a popularity contest, and I dont mean in the sense of whose policies were superior thus more popular than the others; I mean it would be like a high school popularity thing. Maybe that would have been different at a different time.

Originally posted by MassOccursAlright, concede me this...

The election cycle has the positive effect of increasing political interest for the local minded citizen, as well as young people early in education.

IS ANYTHING POSITIVE HAPPENING HERE

Theoretically, of course. But practically, in the society we live in, with its focus heavily skewed away from community involvement more towards personal involvement and self-centeredness, most dont even care.

But with this charade of an election in particular, no, I see nothing positive happening here, except maybe that now its getting SO bad, and SO obvious, its waking more people up. But to sour that sentiment, its a day late and a dollar short, or more accurately perhaps in this case, years/decades late and trillions short.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by MassOccurs

 

What is the "job" of president?

Is it to take care of us?
Is it to help us?
Is it to give us stuff?

or

Is it to lead and be the representative of the US for the worlds stage?

A persons acceptance of a "public servant" is only based on what the job description is.

Obamas Job:

- Add $5 Trillion to the National Debt and hand our children a $16 Trillion crushing debt

- Introduce - uncertainty- into our economy with ObamaCare

- Wrap a wet blanket around small businesses with unending regulations

- Abandon his terrible record and resort to personal attacks against Mitt Romney

- Oppose Gay Marriage for 3 years but then - evolve - in 2012 and become Pro Gay Marriage

- Make it easier to throw everyone on food stamps and keep them there

- Obama is the Food Stamp President -