"Tolerance" bully at Chic-fil-A

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by jhn7537

 

Actually, there is plenty of secular arguments against homosexual marriage. It's not just religious people that disagree with it. All you have to do is do a google and you'll find plenty of secular arguments against it.

Yup, and that's why DOMA is consistently ruled discriminatory and unconstitutional. Because there are logical reasons against marriage equality.

Originally posted by Annee
Gays just want Equal Rights - - that's it.

Again .. give me a bulleted laundry list of laws that discriminate against gays.

They want Federal recognized marriage.

That's the big one. Definately a civil rights issue.

They want to be included on the Federal list of protection from discrimination.

WHY? Homosexuals don't have the same discrimination history that people on the Federal List of Protection have.

They want the right to donate blood.

Because of the high rate of HIV infection in the 80's and 90's for homosexual men and IV drug users, these people were banned - FOR SAFETY REASONS - from donating blood. There was a good reason for it. Public safety. I'm sure that the CDC (etc etc) reviews HIV rates by demographic and decides if it's a good thing or not.

IMHO - if you are a black person living in Washington DC you should be banned from donating blood. Why? No, not because I hate black people or something like that, but because the HIV rate among black people living in DC is over 20%. It's a safety thing ....

On a lighter note, anyone think that Cathy is going to end up like Steve Newlin on True Blood?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
Yup, except for the fact nearly half of gay/lesbian people are religious.

None are Christian. Christians are saved from sin.

And organized religion is a farce.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Okay, i checked out FRC and found this little nugget:

Felony violence against gay people should be a protected form of expression if it is committed by pastors, according to the text of a fund-raising e-mail dated Friday from the Family Research Council. In the message, FRC President Tony Perkins — who in 1996 paid Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list, and who as recently as 2001 addressed the white-supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens — argues that an expansion of existing federal hate crime laws (which punish felony violence) to include sexual orientation could be used to arrest pastors.

Here is the full text of Perkins’ message. Emphasis is FRC’s:

www.truthwinsout.org...

So this is one group I won't be supporting anytime soon.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights


Look on the web and check their brand index scores. And then you'll see what I'm saying in numbers.

Sounds like you know those number. Can you share them with us?

So, again, when are you going to provide this data that you claimed was easily accessible?

Ive asked you three times now, and you have yet to answer.

I have already. I will again: nrn.com...

edited. I parroted the words back to show how silly it was ...

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Sorry, but double standards in anyone is crap.

I'm against discrimination myself, but it's not okay for anyone to discriminate against someone else just because they were discriminated against.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Yet, there is only one group behaving in a discriminatory manner. And it's those people that you are defending.

No-one asks the black community to be tolerant of the KKK.

No-one asks women to be tolerant of misogynistic groups.

No-one asks Muslims to be tolerant of right-wing legislators who call them anti-American.

Yet, people call gays intolerant for not tolerating people who view them as sinful, deviant, perverted and that their marriages are wrong and unacceptable?

Goes to show that the gay community does not have the same acceptance or respect as other groups in our society. Such a shame.

reply to post by EvilSadamClone

That's what the BLOG says .... but that's not what the actual message said.
You are quoting a blog .... here is the actual text and it's from your own source -

The enactment of so-called “hate crimes” legislation is a long stated objective of the homosexual agenda.

What “hate crimes” legislation does is lay the legal foundation and framework for investigating, prosecuting and persecuting pastors, business owners, and anyone else whose actions reflect their faith.

The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to mark-up the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 this Wednesday, April 22. They need to hear from you.

It was in a similar hearing last Congress that Rep. Artur Davis (D-AL) admitted that under the legislation pastors could be arrested for hate crimes.

The act would establish a new FEDERAL offense for so-called “hate crimes” and add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” as protected classes. It will mandate a separate federal criminal prosecution for state offenses.

Adding “sexual orientation” to thought crimes legislation gives one set of crime victims a higher level of protection than it gives to people like you and me.

ALL people deserve to be protected from crime, not just certain groups.

Sign our Petition TODAY to say equal protection under the law means equal protection for ALL. Please join the over 22,000 people who have already signed this petition. If you have already signed, please forward to ten of your friends and ask them to sign.

No where does it call for people to 'act in a felony manner' towards gay people.
That's just rhetoric from the blog site you quoted.
In fact .. if you read it .. it states ALL PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED FROM CRIME ...

It's interesting that NOM has changed the way they do things.

NOM - - National Organization of Marriage. You would think by that title they would be involved in positive methods to promote healthy marriages and slow the divorce rate.

Nope! NOM was formed for one purpose only. STOP GAY MARRIAGE! It is their single purpose.

NOM got in trouble for some of the tactics they used (which landed them on the SPLC hate list).

Since then they have reorganized - - got more sophisticated - - and make 100% sure what they do meets with legal requirements.

So that they stay all "shiny and clean" - - - they created sub-groups to do their dirty work. Million Moms is one of their sub-groups.

Someone who apparently had a change of heart - - - "lifted" one of their training manuals and sent it to a pro-gay site.

Training states: NEVER use or refer to religion as a reason for being anti-gay. Religion is not a legitimate argument (thank you Prop8).

Always refer to: Traditional Family - - Family Values - - Protection of Children - - - etc etc.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
This forum is disgusting. So many people here defend homophobia. I am honestly in shock.

This forum is disgusting. So many people here being INTOLERANT of the Constitutional right of a man to believe what he wishes in religious matters and to answer a simple question about his faith. I am honestly NOT in shock though. Political correctness and militant left wing rhetoric at the expense of the US Constitiution ... it is to be expected.

People like you think it's totally OK to be anti-gay and consider it militant and "left-wing" to disagree, so you'll never understand. People like you think the gay community should simply "tolerate" those who speak in negatives against them constantly. You have no respect for the gay community. And you call it political correctness when one side is honest with their feelings, but free speech when the other side does the same.

But, that comes as no surprise, either. Homophobes always go through all kinds of psychological hoops to defend their bigotry.

reply to post by crazydaysandnights


And you're wrong. both groups are seeking to bully people into submission.

Not just one group doing it to another.

And you can call me a bigot all you want, but repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth.

That's why I can't stand you people, because there is no middle ground and you won't leave people alone who just disagree with you. All you guys do is insult and berate people who while not agreeing with you, don't actively oppose you and will leave you guys alone. You see any disagreement as a threat and bigotry, which is just wrong.

I won't pat you on the back either, but if you keep on insulting me and berating me for any little thing, then I will change my mind.

I do not tolerate bullies of any stripe. And people do have the right to disagree with you, and not all disagreements is actually bigotry. It's called THE FIRST AMENDMENT, which is something you people don't recognize.

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
No-one asks the black community to be tolerant of the KKK.

Actually ... the law DOES. The KKK and Black Liberation Theology groups are two sides of the same coin and both groups have the Constitutional right to exist and express their views .. no matter how stupid the majority of us think they are. We are all required to be tolerant of both those groups.

No-one asks women to be tolerant of misogynistic groups.

Islam is misogynistic and yes ... everyone is expected to be tolerant of Islam .. including us women.

No-one asks Muslims to be tolerant of right-wing legislators who call them anti-American.

Yes the LAW calls for Muslims to be tolerant of anyone who calls them anti-American. Muslims can't pick up a gun and go shoot someone for thinking or saying that Muslims are anti-American. It's against the law. Muslims must tolerate the opinions and beliefs of others just as those others must tolerate the opinions and beliefs of Muslims.

Yet, people call gays intolerant for not tolerating people who view them as sinful, deviant, perverted and that their marriages are wrong and unacceptable?

The man simply said he supports traditional marriage. That's it.
You really are adding on and adding on .. aren't you?
You have to tolerate the fact that he has a Constitutional right to his beliefs.

And where is that bullet list of laws that I asked for?
You know ... that bullet list of inequalities that you are so militant about?
Comeon .. we are all waiting to see what they are ....

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
People like you think it's totally OK to be anti-gay and consider it militant and "left-wing" to disagree, so you'll never understand. People like you think the gay community should simply "tolerate" those who speak in negatives against them constantly. You have no respect for the gay community. And you call it political correctness when one side is honest with their feelings, but free speech when the other side does the same.

Ah yes - - - the tactic of trying to "turn the table".

Huckabee - - "I have been incensed at the vitriolic assaults on the Chick-fil-A company," he wrote. "Too often, those on the left make corporate statements to show support for same-sex marriage, abortion, or profanity, but if Christians affirm traditional values, we're considered homophobic, fundamentalists, hate-mongers, and intolerant."

Advocate editor - - "This is a relatively new trick in the playbook of homophobes. It's not them who are being intolerant, they claim, it's the gays. Chick-fil-A is actually the victim, which Huckabee says is "being smeared by vicious hate speech and intolerant bigotry from the left."

www.advocate.com...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Newsflash ... the guy didn't do that.

He is the owner of a country wide business. He's known to be Baptist.
He was asked what he thought of gay marriage. He said "I support traditional marriage'.

THAT IS IT.

That is not all he has said. You don't even know what is going on. You don't know anything about the rights LGBT people are being denied. You know nothing. So basically, I'm not going to bother responding to you outside of the post you made regarding what rights LGBT citizens are being denied. Go educate yourself on the matter at hand and come back to us.

Oh, and BTW, being against marriage equality is being anti-gay. Saying gay/lesbian couples should not make families is anti-gay. Saying marriage equality will lead to societal destruction is anti-gay.

Dan Cathy is anti-gay and "faith" does NOT justify being anti-gay.

Dan Cathy has every right to be anti-gay, and as we have seen, billions of individuals have taken advantage of THEIR right to not associate with and give money to a company which uses that money and their position as one of the leading franchises in America to promote an anti-gay agenda.

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
People like you think it's totally OK to be anti-gay ... People like you think .... You have no respect for the gay community. ... . Homophobes ...

blah blah blah .... WRONG
Stop the name calling and the off topic deflection. Answer the question. YOU were all militant about there not being equality in this country. YOU demanded 'equality'. I asked .. other than Gay Marriage (which I already said I support) .. give us the bulleted laundry list of laws that are unfair and unequal for gay people. I asked two pages ago .... you are still deflecting. WHY?

reply to post by crazydaysandnights


You keep claiming it but you haven't posted any information about what rights are being denied.

There is no right to marry, btw.

You're not being prevented from your free speech like you want to deny everybody else who speaks out against you.

i actually do know the answer to this question, but i want to see if you actually know it or is just spouting off empty rhetoric.

Post some information on what rights are being denied.

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
And organized religion is a farce.

I'm not talking about organizations. I am talking about the Christian Church.

reply to post by truejew


Which Christian Church? There are over 13,000 of them.