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reply to post by swoopaloop


That is a serious charge. Let's see the evidence for it.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Please export the shill-rule to other sub-forums. It is an over-used tactic meant to do nothing but derail a thread and turn it to personality conflicts.

This sounds like a big step in the right direction.
I have never really participated in the 9/11 forums due to the reason SO alluded to in the original post.
Seemed more about name-calling and putting others' theories down rather than an open discussion.

Question everything, it's healthy.

I think these rules are a good idea and should apply to the whole site not just the 9/11 forum.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

On this day, ATS Members (with the support of staff), take back the 9/11 Conspiracies forum from the despicable sensationalist equivocators who have usurped these topics in the name of gratuitous squabbling and attention-seeking chicanery. These topics have become so irreparably polluted with the flotsam of escalating one upmanship and repugnant language that no thinking person dare consider participation.

Skep

I want your vocabulary. These are some great ideas and I'm sure if needed you can even up the ante until the right effect is achieved. Good to see some attempts at problem solving.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


It is a sensitive subject and should be treated as so. I have observed the compassion on both sides of the truth seeking and sometimes ignorance does find its way into those threads. I try to avoid them due to how much energy is within them that seems unstable and I try not to add mine to it overall. Hopefully if there was hidden deception related it will come out eventually.

I just went through the first few pages of the more recent popular 9/11 threads and I hope to God that this isn't going to be retroactively enforced.

It would devastate the forum because [on the surface at first glance] it appears that many of the heavy hitters in said forum are all to a certain degree guilty of the name calling and or personal attack scenario outlined by SO.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I have read a few of the 9/11 threads brfore joining but have never even entered one since I have because of the afore mentioned behavior. I think I may just remedy that now.

This is one of the reasons I joined this site, thanks for denying ignorance( not mine, not yours, not his, not hers, but ALL ignorance).

Proving once again mods , YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST STAFF ON THE NET!

I recently stopped posting there. Just got tired of it. Not so much of people hurling insults or dismissing my work out of hand, but from the frustration of trying to convince others of ABC. One has no idea whom one is conversing with "behind the veil".

I even developed a pic I use when all else fails... you guys tell me... does this count as a violation (now) or not? I never got any complaints before.


Making new rules for those that seem to have little regard for them is one approach. I'm not sure that message will be the one that gets through. When asked, murderers will tell you they have little regard for the threat of execution. Maybe society doesn't care as long as they never kill again.

If we enforce the rules and start actually banning a few and hanging their user names on the threshold of the 911 forum like kings of old put heads on stakes outside their bivouac...

All joking aside, I am glad that attention has been drawn to this frustrating problem. I love that forum.

reply to post by SLAYER69

just went through the first few pages of the more recent popular 9/11 threads and I hope to God that this isn't going to be retroactively enforced.

Not if we retain ex post facto law.

Thank you SO and the rest of the ATS staff - this is something that I believe is long overdue. I think perhaps at one time or another almost all of us have been frustrated with someone and resorted to a personal attack, but there are several members who do this in almost every post they make.

I would also like to join the growing throng of members asking for this policy to be applied to all forums (especially the UFO/alien threads). Having been called a shill, disinfo agent and other similar names as well as having my intelligence questioned just because I don't believe we are being visited is getting really old.

Also - if members could give applause to the ATS staff, I would absolutely give yeahright applause for this:

Originally posted by yeahright
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Neither "side" has a monopoly on the term "shill". If you consider yourself on any side other than the side searching for truth, you've already lost. The intent is to be collaborative, NOT competitive.

Being honest doesn't mean you're free to spew every thought about someone else that may enter your head. Anyone who thinks honesty and civility are mutually exclusive is probably in the wrong place.

edit on 8/2/2012 by yeahright because: typo

This post really should sum up the intent of ATS:
"If you consider yourself on any side other than the side searching for truth, you've already lost."

I may make that my signature if yeahright doesn't mind.

reply to post by SLAYER69


ATS staff makes it a habit of not actioning relatively older posts.

So no, I doubt it will be retroactively enforced. Although those posts are technically T&C violations, they were not under the umbrella of this new policy.

It jus would not be fair.

~Tenth

reply to post by intrptr


Speaking for myself? Yes, I would consider that a violation. If you've reached that point, you need to think about taking a break from the forum.

Before I did anything, I'd ask for opinions from fellow staff, but yeah, I'd call that just a tad rude.

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
That was one of the forums I looked at when I first got here and it was crazy over there! Thanks for taking steps to make it a better place

I've got most of the "newbie" issues defeated within myself.... but I still go off topic alot...
ummmm... like now.... kinda.... but not really ...

Maybe it's just my ADHD that won't let me stick with one thought for every long

...what were we talking about again?

your avatar is awesome! did u make that i cant stop laughing

yup!!! We have an avatar thread going where you can get your own made just the way you want it! link is in my sig line

uhmm...a question?
is this because the "pilots 4 truth" members were dissing ATS members who believed the official story? or was it from ATS members who were dissing the "pilots 4 truth" members, or was it both, or was it brand new ATS members that only came here recently and just dissed any and/or all 9/11 conspirecy(s)?

Originally posted by jimmyx
dissed any and/or all 9/11 conspirecy(s)?

Seek and destroy task forces focusing in on certain opinions isn't representative of the truth, it usually means someone has something to hide.

I didn't know any of that was going on still.

I have actually avoided the 911 forums for a very long time, specifically because the level of animosity is higher than anywhere else. The personal attacks were pretty much a given and expected, and I had felt like even mentioning an opinion would warrant a personal attack.

Of course that happens everywhere on Earth to some extent, but the 911 topic is just a travesty.

Now you know why I avoided it.

Maybe I will actually consider making that Kroll + Marsh McL conspiracy thread I have been wanting to make?
I don't know exactly where I'll go with it but I'll eventually figure it out. Unless of course someone else can do it better before I get to it.

This is just what if talk because obviously I have like 10 threads I am considering writing but haven't got around to any of them yet.

Whew! I thought for a moment that you guys were just gonna shut down the whole forum. What a relief! Building 7, lack of debris at the Pentagon......

Way to sock it to the trolls!

Obama said he's be sending in an army to fight the conspiracy theorists, this thread is the clearest evidence yet that they are here copying and pasting from their scripts