Chinese teen kills 9 in knife attack. This is a Call to ban Knifes in America

Originally posted by spacemanjupiter
If he had not used a knife he would have used glass, a bat, metal wire, a hammer, a nail gun, a chainsaw, a crowbar, brick, free weight bar, large fork, saw blade, screw driver, samurai sword, blah blah blah blah..... And these are just the things that I have at this house alone. Are we going to ban all of these things too? Do you think if there wasn't a knife around that he wouldn't have found something else to kill all these people with? Of course not. He would have found another way.

Exactly!

Banning any form of standardized weapon (i.e. guns, knives, etc.) will not eliminate crime.
Most criminals are repeat criminals with a repeated history of violence. These individuals cant legally purchase a firearm so therefore they have to purchase them ILLEGALLY purchase them. Even with firearms or knives banned, criminals will still be able to do the same thing they always have and continue to be criminals and purchase their weapons illegally.

No more knives..no, not even to slice your fruits and vegetables.

Originally posted by CallYourBluff

Originally posted by SpearMint
I'm not wasting any more time here, no point get's across and no evidence or facts are being produced against my case. It's like arguing with a child; pointless and frustrating. You're not doing the American stereotype any good, I try to ignore that but it gets very hard.

I'll just be happy living in a country with a homicide rate 5.6 times lower than yours which is directly related to gun homicides, you can kill each other if you want.

Goodbye, need to sleep.

edit on 2-8-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

I agree with your sentiments but around here with such a subject you are wasting your time. The yanks will always defend their guns because they don't know any better. Anybody who defends owning a gun and compares it's potential use as equal to a knife is a moron. Losing your temper with a gun lasts a split second and irreversible damage is done. Any other weapon or violence leaves time for reflection and ability to stop before it goes to far.I do find it funny that America has so many guns yet Britain has just won Gold in the clay shooting..

This will blow your mind but you can own a semi-auto AR15 in your house in the UK and there are more shooting ranges per capita in the UK than in the US.

en.wikipedia.org...


I've shot at this range: www.hprpc.co.uk...

and this one:www.hprpc.co.uk... (notice the "assault rifles.")

I know abloke who works here in the UK making Ar-15 rifles for sale in the UK and you can keep it in a safe at home with the ammo. www.southern-gun.co.uk...

There are a lot of legally owned, private guns in the UK and they don't cause crime in the UK. The guns don't matter, but the people do. My Brit friends would never hurt an innocent person, but some have arsenal what would give you a seizure.

Gun owners in the UK are like gay men in the Alabama in the 1950's--they have to keep a low profile due to bigotry, but they are by and large decent people who just want to be left alone.

Originally posted by magma
reply to post by Praetorius

 

where exactly does the US constitution say anything about horses, and when were they supposedly taken away?

There were no cars when the constitution was developed as far as i am aware only horses. My post was to suggest that the right to bear arms is somewhat out of date in a modern world.

THe world can still be a nasty, brutish places and governments still disarm and then slaughter civilians: look at Rawanda. There are still evil, predatory people in the world and there will always be evil predatory people in the world and a free man or woman has the right to defend themselves from them.

Armed gays don't get bashed!


pinkpistols firearms/self defence organization

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by CallYourBluff

Originally posted by SpearMint
I'm not wasting any more time here, no point get's across and no evidence or facts are being produced against my case. It's like arguing with a child; pointless and frustrating. You're not doing the American stereotype any good, I try to ignore that but it gets very hard.

I'll just be happy living in a country with a homicide rate 5.6 times lower than yours which is directly related to gun homicides, you can kill each other if you want.

Goodbye, need to sleep.

edit on 2-8-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

I agree with your sentiments but around here with such a subject you are wasting your time. The yanks will always defend their guns because they don't know any better. Anybody who defends owning a gun and compares it's potential use as equal to a knife is a moron. Losing your temper with a gun lasts a split second and irreversible damage is done. Any other weapon or violence leaves time for reflection and ability to stop before it goes to far.I do find it funny that America has so many guns yet Britain has just won Gold in the clay shooting..

This will blow your mind but you can own a semi-auto AR15 in your house in the UK and there are more shooting ranges per capita in the UK than in the US.

en.wikipedia.org...


I've shot at this range: www.hprpc.co.uk...

and this one:www.hprpc.co.uk... (notice the "assault rifles.")

I know abloke who works here in the UK making Ar-15 rifles for sale in the UK and you can keep it in a safe at home with the ammo. www.southern-gun.co.uk...

There are a lot of legally owned, private guns in the UK and they don't cause crime in the UK. The guns don't matter, but the people do. My Brit friends would never hurt an innocent person, but some have arsenal what would give you a seizure.

Gun owners in the UK are like gay men in the Alabama in the 1950's--they have to keep a low profile due to bigotry, but they are by and large decent people who just want to be left alone.

edit on 2-8-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

edit on 2-8-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

Blow my mind? I have relatives who own shot guns, that wasn't my point. Did you even understand my post?
Did you even read it?
Theoretical example. (A)Someone is breaking into your car and you have access to a gun. You run outside and shoot the thief, in anger without thinking and he dies, you go to jail.
(B) Someone is breaking into your car and you don't have access to a gun. You run outside with a knife or bat, possibly do some damage, he gets hurt, nobody dies and lessons are learnt.

Originally posted by CallYourBluff

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by CallYourBluff

Originally posted by SpearMint
I'm not wasting any more time here, no point get's across and no evidence or facts are being produced against my case. It's like arguing with a child; pointless and frustrating. You're not doing the American stereotype any good, I try to ignore that but it gets very hard.

I'll just be happy living in a country with a homicide rate 5.6 times lower than yours which is directly related to gun homicides, you can kill each other if you want.

Goodbye, need to sleep.

edit on 2-8-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

I agree with your sentiments but around here with such a subject you are wasting your time. The yanks will always defend their guns because they don't know any better. Anybody who defends owning a gun and compares it's potential use as equal to a knife is a moron. Losing your temper with a gun lasts a split second and irreversible damage is done. Any other weapon or violence leaves time for reflection and ability to stop before it goes to far.I do find it funny that America has so many guns yet Britain has just won Gold in the clay shooting..

This will blow your mind but you can own a semi-auto AR15 in your house in the UK and there are more shooting ranges per capita in the UK than in the US.

en.wikipedia.org...


I've shot at this range: www.hprpc.co.uk...

and this one:www.hprpc.co.uk... (notice the "assault rifles.")

I know abloke who works here in the UK making Ar-15 rifles for sale in the UK and you can keep it in a safe at home with the ammo. www.southern-gun.co.uk...

There are a lot of legally owned, private guns in the UK and they don't cause crime in the UK. The guns don't matter, but the people do. My Brit friends would never hurt an innocent person, but some have arsenal what would give you a seizure.

Gun owners in the UK are like gay men in the Alabama in the 1950's--they have to keep a low profile due to bigotry, but they are by and large decent people who just want to be left alone.

edit on 2-8-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

edit on 2-8-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

Blow my mind? I have relatives who own shot guns, that wasn't my point. Did you even understand my post?
Did you even read it?
Theoretical example. (A)Someone is breaking into your car and you have access to a gun. You run outside and shoot the thief, in anger without thinking and he dies, you go to jail.
(B) Someone is breaking into your car and you don't have access to a gun. You run outside with a knife or bat, possibly do some damage, he gets hurt, nobody dies and lessons are learnt.

LOL. HOw about I don't lose my temper and safely hold he guy for police. People who don't undertand guns don't realize they don't "just go off" and legal gun owners in both the UK and US are rather rational people with a bit of self control...even more so than a fool with a bat because we realize that a gun AND a bat can kill people and take care with what they do whereas people whith just a bad don't realize just how deadly a swing with a bat to thehead can be so they are actually more likely to kill someone withou meaning to.

Someone is breaking into my car. In my state you can use deadly force to stop a felony at night. I'm not angry and believe it or not, lawful gun owners are not the ugly steriotype of irrational people. I amazed at how people project their irrationality and lack of control on other people. I demand he stop and if he does I hold him for the police. If he attacks me, I shoot, he dies, and I don't go to jail. THe life of a criminal is not worth it.

Someone is breaking into my car and I slug him with a baseball bat from behing and he dies (baseball bats are conisdered deadly weapons, and I worked on a few people who have died from such a blow to the head) I go to jail. If I confront him with a bat and he attacks me and I hit him in the ehad and he dies I don't go to jail. Perhaps he has a bat of his own and is bigger than me. HE then hits me and kills me and I wish I had a gun to stop him and make him surrender from a safe distance. My having a bat is actually more dangerous than having a gun because with a bat I have to close within arms reach of an armed criminal. If I have a gun I can either force him to surrender or drive him off from a safe distance.

Let me ask you a question. A hundred pound girl finds her home is broken into and she is being raped by a 250 lb man. Should she be able to have a nightstand to kill her rapist or should she just submit to rape and possibly murder? WIthout a gun there is not much she can do physically to resist a man over twice her size and beggin and pleading never works with racists.

Or do you agree with the former VP of hand control incorporated who said that a woman should submit to rape rather than use a gun to resist because her vagina (to paraphrase) was not as important as a human life. I think that a disgusting attitude. No one should be concerned about the life of a violent criminal--if they do not want to be killed at the hands of a law abiding citizen, then they simply have the ability to stop being a criminal.

Originally posted by mr10k
He could've done the same with a butter knife. Or a clothes hanger, or a wire, or a shirt, or a fan blade, a doorknob, a pan, a beer bottle, a television, a very heavy phone, a pencil...


The list goes on.

Wot about a "Pomegranite"???????????????Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh????????

reply to post by camaro68ss


Shouldn't the title be "We should all own multiple knives, big knives, double edged knives, super long knives....swords...we need swords...a SPEAR...we all need a spear or none of us will be safe....if we all had spears...no one would EVER be killed.

Humanity is clearly plagued by violent insanity, top to bottom.

Nations are built on military supremacy, with a huge percentage of resources devoted to weapons manufacturing.

Individuals feel the need to own weapons because they feel there is a possibility that someone else will come and hurt them or their family.

At some point this trajectory must change. It is a cycle that promises to rip the world to shreds. Not only should we aspire to have less individuals with guns, but we should aspire for America to demilitarize. Your neighbors all have guns, so you need one too. America has nukes, so other countries need them too.

This is pure demonic insanity, I would guess that most of you wouldn't give up your guns even if you were absolutely guaranteed that you would never be threatened by violence. You are addicted to the chemical brain process of fear and aggression. You secretly hope to have the opportunity to shoot someone in self defense.

There is a segment of the human population that wishes to build a peaceful and cooperative world, and a segment that is intent on military based superiority. Don't lecture me on the realities of crime and war. These are excuses to continue the cycle. And it seems, to me that your precious America with it's precious bill of rights is the primary aggressor.

If it were up to me we'd take everything that's ever been made for a militaristic purpose and destroy them on a worldwide scale. Melt down all the metal, build some spaceships out of them, and pursue knowledge and science cooperatively. Are you here to learn or to prove to yourself that you're better than the other guy?

reply to post by SpearMint


Please. Stop talking.

As a fellow Aussie you are embarrassing me.

People will kill whether they can get guns or not. Here in Adelaide the Bikie gangs have guns. The drug gangs have guns. The police have guns. No-one else has guns, generally.

We have banned guns yet still the criminal element have them. We have banned guns yet people kill others by king hitting them, by stabbing them, by blunt force objects.

Having a gun makes it easier to kill but also easier to defend and protect yourself. People will still kill whether firearms are available or not. If someone wants to kill, they will do so. They will obtain a firearm anyway even if they are banned.

Please, stop being so delusional.

reply to post by NavyDoc

To your point: only a gun fearing liberal can explain how a dead women lying in an alley strangled with her own pantyhose is morally superior to a live victim preparing a statement for a police report.

reply to post by NavyDoc




Sorry but all I got from your post was a over winded half arsed attempt at defending a clearly ignorant opinion. You seem to live a life of expectant violence. It must be hard living with such destain for people and the need to own superior fire power. Very sad.. I honestly hope you get better.

What I want to know is how you managed to turn this tragedy into something about America...

Sigh, the world doesn't revolve around you guys you know.

And im sure the death toll would have been higher if he had had a gun so...

We should be paying respect to the victims, not having gun argument #150000000

Originally posted by CallYourBluff
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Sorry but all I got from your post was a over winded half arsed attempt at defending a clearly ignorant opinion. You seem to live a life of expectant violence. It must be hard living with such destain for people and the need to own superior fire power. Very sad.. I honestly hope you get better.

Ah, can't debate the points so go for the personal attack. I don't live in fear because of rational choices. Others, however seem to have an irrational fear of inanimate objects. It is sad when people fear objects.

Originally posted by magma
reply to post by Praetorius

 

where exactly does the US constitution say anything about horses, and when were they supposedly taken away?

There were no cars when the constitution was developed as far as i am aware only horses. My post was to suggest that the right to bear arms is somewhat out of date in a modern world.

Still??? yeesh...the ideas of liberty and the inevitable corruption of power never go out of date! .The second amendment guarantees the people of at least a fighting chance to throw off tyranny when it returns as it always seems to.

Third(?) "constitution is outdated" post on ATS THIS WEEK.I will not retype my other arguments on this specific point.
suffice to quote Samuel Adams:

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams

Why not just make murder illegal?

Originally posted by 46ACE
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

To your point: only a gun fearing liberal can explain how a dead women lying in an alley strangled with her own pantyhose is morally superior to a live victim preparing a statement for a police report.

edit on 2-8-2012 by 46ACE because: (no reason given)

That deserves a star. Sadly that mindset is quite common in the anti-defense crowd--that a sanctity of a woman's body is less valuable than the life of a violent criminal. Some life is worth more than others and there should be no sympathy for violent criminals. They can easily not be killed by a woman with a gun--don't try to rape her. Simple.

reply to post by NavyDoc

It matters to me("sanctity"; mental and emotional scarring):
I've a wife and two daughters.... both daughters have been taught to shoot defensive handguns . and we still shoot together occasionally. the older follows in my appreciation for the .45acp 1911 her slightly younger sister the 9mm...beautiful young woman; now legally armed..

We need stricter knife regulations. I will support a law that makes knives, or anything that can be used as a weapon ILLEGAL. This includes regulation of the following:

-Guns
-Knives
-Baseball Bats
-Glass Bottles
-Plastic Bags
-Lumber
-Tools
-Power Tools
-Pens/Pencils


GOVERNMENT! NERF MY WORLD! For I am afraid to breath...