The Nazi Tibet connection.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by LoveisanArt
I belive the entire point trying to be made here is that the Dahli Lama has the power and abilities to manipulate and control, . . .

The same could be said for a lot of two year olds.

but his teachings hide that side of him..

He definitely doesn't teach people how to control and manipulate others.

"trainees" (lol) like yourself, who are clueless to the actual power are kept from such knowledge, which is obviously guarded within the mind and soul of the "holiness" himself.

If someone who is interested in the Dalai Lama enough to take teaching from him and to read his books is kept ignorant of his sinister purposes, how do people who never take teachings from him and who don't read his books become aware of them?

If you take what you know, and expand on it a little.. what you call bizarre and bull could be a possilbe explanation. I dont have information or background of what goes on in the Tibet Plateau and its hiding places.. Im just saying keep an open mind, you could be fooled and deceived.

On the Tibetan plateau Tibetans are being pushed around by Chinese invaders in numerous ways. Information about it is easily found on the internet. I agree with you about keeping an open mind and watching out for deception. That is almost a core Buddhist teaching.

On the outside he looks like a Holy man with great wisdom and teachings.. on the inside.. well you, I, nor anybody really knows what hes about. This is the point my friend. The teachings you have recieved, could of been taught by self.. There are spiritual people as or more enlightened then Dhali Lama himself, who brought their enlightenment through inner guidence.

Tibetans are all too familiar with phony religious frauds. That is why, in Tibetan Buddhism, so much stress is placed on "lineage". Tibetans know their teacher but also know his lineage, who his teachers were and who their teachers were, often going back hundreds of years. It's a method of quality control in Dharma instruction.

What disturbs me about this topic is each president chillin there with the D.Lama!! If he was all about peace and enlightenment, why is he having happy times with the ones corrupting human kind?? If that isnt fishy I dont what is...

This is a result of the Chinese invasion of Tibet. The Dalai Lama is Tibet's leading lobbyist, talking to heads of state from around the world trying to get diplomatic and material support for the Tibetan people and their government in exile. It's politics.

Also this "Black Monks" working astral and black magik underground.. that is an interesting idea, would love to learn more of that topic.

You want to learn more about black magic and yet you suggest that the Dalai Lama might have sinister motives? I know you mean well, but please . . .

wow guy.. reread my post a little more carefully... no where was I making ANY claims or assumptions, rather commenting on the direction of theory in the OP. You took it a little to far guy, like I said I have no insight on D.Lama or black magik (nor did I say the D.Lama practises black magik..)..and I do not wish to know about black magik.. its insane members like you who cause unneccassary arguments with your quick responses without fully paying attention to what is being said in posts

I am a spiritual being, with attachment to the stars and inner guidence. I do not care for psi, any colour of magik, or politics which involve "holy" members or presidents.. I care for individual growth and evolution of my spiritual self through inner guidence. I know you mean sarcastic, but please . . .

~ Love is an art

Originally posted by RimDaas

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

cartainly :

try this [ all ` superfluous ` words removed ]

bodies of Tibetan Monks, ............... None of the bodies could be identified,..............questions, as to who they were,

now see why its not an internally consistant claim ?

if they are " tibetan monks " - they have been identified - and there is no " question " of who they were

if statements 2 & 3 are true - then the claim that they were " tibetan monks " is a fabrication , contradicting the 2 statements

He has a point. If they were dressed in SS uniforms and could not be identified how do they know they were monks?

Because:
(A) They probably had shaved heads. I know this is being stereotypical but most Buddhist monks I have seen have shaved heads
(B) They could probably tell from the faces's features that they were asian.

edit on 3-8-2012 by RimDaas because: (no reason given)

Brilliant logic sir. So all bald Asians are Tibetan buddhist monks? Is that what your saying? You're aware that Germany had an alliance with Japan right....you know, Asians...

reply to post by LoveisanArt

I think I read your post pretty carefully. Most of it consists of veiled insinuations about the motives of the Dalai Lama. There is nothing in it about the Nazi connection to Tibet.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd



And there is a long standing buddhist tradition in Japan, too.

Not too mention that suiciding was, at the time, a common japanese tactic to avoid capture/dishonor.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Yes I understand that, but Himmler was of a materialistic bent, as his acquisitive nature bears out, and many of the Nazi hierarchy were similarly inclined. So it wouldn't surprise me if he believed that it was an object that could be possessed.

If you compare the concept and intentions of the Tibetan expedition, with those exercised in the persecution of the Freemasons, Himmler clearly felt that such knowledge was something that could be acquired, a secret that could be found externally.

So while I agree with you about the Wishfullfilment Stone's meaning in Buddhism, I think it is possible that Himmler, who had great hopes and ambitions, of a very material nature, would be inclined to perceive the legends of the stone as something tangible that could be held and wielded.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Look in to the Vril Society and the Thule Society. The Tibetan Monks were known as the Society of Green Men.
~Viz

reply to post by Biliverdin

I agree. I must have given the impression that I didn't, but I think your last post sums it up nicely. Himmler seems to fall in neatly with the notions of many occultists of the period. They didn't really understand Buddhism. They viewed it from a more ego centered materialistic perspective and were seeking "power".

This, by the way, isn't a uniquely Western perspective.

There are many Asian Buddhists who have a streak of this kind of thinking in their own minds. This kind of thinking is everywhere, East and West, but at the Nazi period, very, very few westerners would have had a proper notion of the core attitudes and beliefs of any sort of Buddhism, although in certain circles serious efforts to discover these things were taking place.

The main connection to the national socialists and tibet is the swastika, but this connection is more myth than fact. There is no explicit reason given in mein kampf why the swastika was used, and in fact other european countries such as Finland used the swastika, so it could have just been a popular symbol. It is thousands of years old and previous scientific understanding claimed the indo europeans which originated the swastika were aryans, so Hitler might have felt a kinship with this, but the idea that it was inverted to mean evil is going along with the establishments lies about the national socialists. Mainly Hitler needed a symbol that was easy to identify, I think people read too much into the thule society and tibet because of this. Hitler was generally against religious thinking and he certainly did not believe in the pacifism of buddhism.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

 

And there is a long standing buddhist tradition in Japan, too.

Not too mention that suiciding was, at the time, a common japanese tactic to avoid capture/dishonor.

Exactly my point. It seems more logical to assert that any Buddhist monks were Japanese since they had an alliance with Germany. As I'm sure there were Germans in Japan at some stage of the war too.

These 2 countries had a very strange relationship during the war, both xenophobic countries that considered themselves superior to all the other races but still working together as they shared a common enemy. the west. I wonder if Germany had won the war how that would have sorted itself out. Maybe a Cold war between Germany and Japan..food for thought.

Originally posted by filosophia
The main connection to the national socialists and tibet is the swastika, but this connection is more myth than fact. There is no explicit reason given in mein kampf why the swastika was used, and in fact other european countries such as Finland used the swastika, so it could have just been a popular symbol. It is thousands of years old and previous scientific understanding claimed the indo europeans which originated the swastika were aryans, so Hitler might have felt a kinship with this, but the idea that it was inverted to mean evil is going along with the establishments lies about the national socialists. Mainly Hitler needed a symbol that was easy to identify, I think people read too much into the thule society and tibet because of this. Hitler was generally against religious thinking and he certainly did not believe in the pacifism of buddhism.

The Swastika appears anywhere that the Norsemen were found. We even have one in Yorkshire...

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Hitler wanted to create a new religion based upon Christianity, but infused with the pre-Latinisation symbology of Northern Europe centred on the Germanic peoples right to supremacy and rule of Europe, and eventually Eurasia. It's all there in Mein Kampf, though most of those ideas came from Professor Karl Haushofer and to a lesser extent Hess. There is in fact no evidence that Hitler ever attended any of the Thule meetings, and of course most of the radicals from that group were murdered under cover of the Night of the Long Knives. Hitler as with most things, delegated much of the propagandist modelling of the Nazi Party to those who were passionate about that, and had very little impact on the stylising of the party.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
There are many Asian Buddhists who have a streak of this kind of thinking in their own minds. This kind of thinking is everywhere, East and West, but at the Nazi period, very, very few westerners would have had a proper notion of the core attitudes and beliefs of any sort of Buddhism, although in certain circles serious efforts to discover these things were taking place.

Such things, I would imagine, would have quite undermined the whole possessiveness of the Nazis State, and their cries of natural racial supremacy. It is funny though, how with one hand they could decry the threat of the 'Asiaic Hoard' and then with the other, claim a racial kinship to the Tibetans. Mixed up bunch of people, that's for sure. As a friend of mine once said, Nazism is what you get when you let the Geeks take control. He had a point. If you think about it carefully.

It was many Tibetan people, Chinese people, Mongolian people that transported millions of tons of gold, silver, platinum, diamonds, emeralds, rubies, sapphires and much much more treasures out from Tibet and they saved this treasures in Europe and guarded this treasures in Europe.

Many millions Tibetan people, Chines people and Mongolian people and other Asian people that guard this treasures that belongs to tulkus that was some of the Tibetans that get killed in 1800-1900 century.

Many German people was very upset when European people killed kind and good Buddhist from Asia that wanted to save their Tibetan treasures in Europe away from Tibet. Tibet was attacked by British Jewish colonialism from India and Tibetan Buddhists did not want that the treasures should be taken over to the colonists because then it would be a bad corrupt world. Tibetan people, Chinese people and Mongolian people transported this millions of tons with treasures from Tibet out of Tibet and wanted to help the world to be equal in economy all over the world with help from some of their gold. Germany tried to protect the Tibetans from being robbed and killed in 18th and 19th century. Over 11 million pacifist from Tibet get killed by mostly Jewish robbers in Europe.

The treasures is still hided by thieves and by relatives to thieves and by others.

There is rules about this treasures and the rules is that this treasures shall be counted up and been putted in safe places on earth and the rulers for this treasures shall have the mostly of this treasures in foundations that will be created so everybody on earth shall have good economy.

Germany tried in WW1 and WW2 to collect the treasures in from the thieves and from those that hided the stolen treasures. Much of the treasures had been already stolen b3efore 1870 in Europe so the economy was full of corruption because of thieves and others that had stolen treasures from Tibet. The owners because the owners should help all people in the world with money from their treasures. Tibetan Buddhism is peaceful and want to help people to understand their mind and be enlighten. Tibetan Buddhism is Buddhism. You and others must not mix war in to Tibetan Buddhism. I hope you understand that millions of tons with treasures like gold, diamonds and other treasures that is hided and not counted up official make a bad world for many people in this world and a very greedy world for many.

I do not know if the ww1 and 2 had much to do with this treasures and I do not know if ww1 and 2 not would happen if Great Britain and other colonists would go out of Africa and Asia as the mostly of the German told them to do. Germany wanted Africa, Asia and al other parts of the world that was colonized by imperialism should be free from imperialism. I think it would be no ww1 and no ww2 if the Great Britain, France and other countries that had colonialism would let the colonized land be free from occupation. The politician in Germany said before ww1 and ww2 that all those that had stolen treasures from the transport from Tibet had to deliver the treasures to those in Europe and other places that collected the treasures back to the owners to. Germany wanted to free the world from colonism and they wanted to stop the corruption and false economy that arisen when the thieves did not deliver back the stolen treasures. In fact it is much lies about ww1 and ww2 and when you read between the lines you will see that Adolf Hitler was not a racist and he did not hate Jewish people. In fact half of the German army was Jewish people that wanted socialism and the third reich that wanted to share equal with all in the world.

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You can read the full story of the Nazi expedition to Tibet here.

www.akshardhool.com...