The Nazi Tibet connection.

reply to post by bjarneorn


Whoa! Grumpy old man, indeed!!

It was my understanding that the purpose of this thread was to discuss the legitimacy of these claims, not to insinuate that it is written in stone.

Simmer down now.........

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Does anyone remember reading about a load of dead Tibetan monks found in some Nazi building by the Soviets when they stormed Berlin?

I am sure I have read something about that,but can't seem to find the link I read...

Anyone read about the dead monks in Berlin?

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


yes, if i remember correctly, it stated that they were assumed to have committed mass suicide.

I think one of the links I previously provided may mention that story....don't remember though...

reply to post by stupid girl


Phew,I am glad someone else has heard of the matter,I was sure it wasn't one of my weird dreams..

My main question on the subject is what were these Tibetan monks doing in Nazi Germany?
Were they there as a result of the nazi mission to Tibet?
Hmm..

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Not sure, but I do remember it stating that they were found wearing Nazi uniforms.

The implication that I got when reading the article is that they were there for paranormal influence, such as remote viewing, et al.
From what I understand, Hitler was an eager participant in the occult and the possible influence it could exert over the "success" of his regime.
So I find it entirely plausible that he went to such extremes as "mail-order Tibetan monks", if he thought it would give him any sort of advantage.

reply to post by stupid girl

I wondered if it was the remote viewing angle too.
But I also am aware that a group of meditating folks,monks or not,could possibly influence the amount of violence in a city.

They tried it in Washinton/NY I think,to lower violent crime,and it worked:

www.nytimes.com...

Question is,could the same technique be used to make folks more violent-as in what was needed to prevent the fall of berlin(in nazi terms).

Were those monks being used to pump up resistance against the Russians on a psychic level?

Do governments use monks to this day to influence certain social behaviours?
I hope not,but expect that they do.

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
Hitler wanted to establish contact with these "supernatural" monks.

"Establish contact" is probably a euphemism for "eat".

Hitler was a christian after all, and the monks beliefs about cannibalism are similar in some ways to the Eucharist.

reply to post by AFewGoodWomen


or the golden child ............i want the knife .........PLEASE

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
reply to post by stupid girl

 

Question is,could the same technique be used to make folks more violent

yes

Were those monks being used to pump up resistance against the Russians on a psychic level?

It is my opinion that could be plausible and within the realm of possibility.
It is well known that our government has done research on the very same phenomenon.

Do governments use monks to this day to influence certain social behaviours?

actually, I've never considered that, but I also see that within the realm of possibility.

I suppose the question would be which governments and for what purposes?
That would leave one to speculate how deep the rabbit hole actually goes, in that regard.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse

Do governments use monks to this day to influence certain social behaviours?
I hope not,but expect that they do.

It appears your hope in this area is futile.

By the way, the NWO is still using Tibetan Monks. Have you ever watched how much travel the Dalai Lama gets in? And did you notice that Tibetan Monks were imported in the Bakaa Valley Colorado by a U.N. leader? The Mishpuka (Jewish Mafia) leader Pritzker who lives in seclusion on Haulon Rd., Libertyville, IL 60048 on a 1300 acre piece of expensive real estate, had the Dalai Lama consecrate a shrine for him. Haulon Rd. has two access points, a northern and a southern. (The road was bought by Pritzker and is guarded. Pritzker has been active in Chicago for the Mishpuka. He is reported to have spent millions renovating his house, where for some reason, dead bodies keep showing up on its estate grounds.)

www.whale.to...

I would be interested in member's interpretations of the following film clip:

reply to post by aaaiii

Instead of acting, how about the real thing?

A very interesting docu and pretty intense. Even has the Dalai Lama as he consults the Nechung and one other oracle.

reply to post by The GUT

Regardless, I'm still looking for individual interpretations of the behavior depicted.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Himmler held Buddhism in the highest esteem, and allowed it to continue in Germany even when all other religious groups were suffering persecution. There was, reputedly, a Buddhist temple in Berlin during that time.

It is likely that Hitler had little knowledge of the expedition, he wasn't at all interested in the occult, but Himmler expended enormous resources on tracking down all sort of different 'occult' practioners and having their possessions catalogued, many of which ended up in his private collection at the house he shared with his mistress.

According to the following link, which refers to a book on the subject, Himmler's interest in Buddhism was also a racial one, namely an attempt at finding the roots of the Aryan race. And given the occurence of the swastika in Norse artifacts, it is likely that he expected to find some linear connections between Tibet and Germany to reinforce his notions of German racial purity in comparison to the other peoples of Europe who he considered to be of degenerative racial backgrounds, particularly those whom he classed as 'slavic'.

www.trimondi.de...

Originally posted by aaaiii

 

Regardless, I'm still looking for individual interpretations of the behavior depicted.

There are some "outsider" opinions discussed in the first article, although the author addresses them from an apologetics point of view. They're all pretty good starting points. The third is basically some up-close shots of the ceremonial helmet.

www.123helpme.com...

www.tcoletribalrugs.com...

www.michaelbackmanltd.com...

Whoever said Buddhism isn't a religion was way off base. They do have an intricate system of other-worldly entities that are held in various regards and esteem. If anyone is actually astral traveling and RV'ing to any real degree, it's most certainly the monks.

Originally posted by Biliverdin
It is likely that Hitler had little knowledge of the expedition, he wasn't at all interested in the occult,

i disagree....

Possible pay-dirt load of info pertaining to OP:

The influence of the occult on the 1939 German expedition to Tibet

I haven't finished reading it yet, but this may have many interesting tidbits to post on thread as "external text"

Originally posted by polarwarrior
...and the monks beliefs about cannibalism are similar in some ways to the Eucharist.

Very good point. Could in reality, be mistranslation, or misinterpretation. From one side or the other. But I can see where there could be a similarity in the belief in transmutation.

Originally posted by stupid girl

Originally posted by Biliverdin
It is likely that Hitler had little knowledge of the expedition, he wasn't at all interested in the occult,

i disagree....

And you are welcome to. But any close study of Hitler will reveal that he had little or no interest in the subject. Even the books that have explored the links, show no evidence of Hitler's direct interest, and only confirm the interest of his underlings. Those links lead to a lot of baseless supposition and very little supported evidence. Hitler was interested, deeply, in Germanic mythology though, and particularly loved the Parsival Cycles, he considered himself spiritually connected to the legacy of Barbarossa, and therefore he did request that the Spear of Destiny be acquired for him. But the occult, not at all.

Himmler on the other hand, was verging upon obsessed by the occult.

reply to post by stupid girl


And from the link that you provide...

However, these claims that Hitler had requested the expedition because of his occultic interests and occultic forces that influenced him has no evidence; In fact, the evidence would strongly suggest otherwise. The stories of Hitler’s beliefs and links to the occultic have been around since the 1920s in the earliest days of the Nazi era. After the war these stories and the literature explaining the supposed link became more numerous and more popular. As Ken Anderson explained in his book Hitler and the Occult, many of these claims are now accepted and considered as important and explanatory parts of Hitler’s story.21 Those who argue that Hitler was linked to occultism claim that Hitler had connections to occult figures like Lanz Von Liebenfels and “the man with the green gloves”, or occult groups like the Thule society. However all of this speculation, and no definitive evidence has proven these claimed links. For example, based on the information from the German “aliens branch of the police”, there is no evidence of any Tibetan monk living and working in Germany during Hitler’s time.22 Therefore, the claims of “the man with the green gloves” are absurd and the claims of a Tibetan colony in Germany even more so. The only recorded Tibetan in Germany during this period was a servant of the explorer Albert Tagel, who later married a German woman and published a book in 1947. However, it was later discovered that this supposed Tibetan was really a fraud and was really a non-Tibetan man named T. Illion.23

Writers like Francis King (Satan and Swastika), Gerald Shuster (Hitler: The Occult Messiah), and Trevor Ravenscroft (The Spear of Destiny), have attempted to tie Hitler to the occult by claiming that he had interests in occult-like subjects like magic, the paranormal, psychokinesis, and water divining. However, from what we know of Hitler’s youth, Hitler was said to have had a wide range of interests and read a diverse range of books which also included subjects like history, religion, technology, art, architecture, and military science. Therefore, it is not fair to say that Hitler held occult beliefs simply based on a possible passing interest of his youth in occult subjects. In fact, the records of Hitler’s actions and words would suggest that, later in his life, he had held contempt for occultism and did not believe in it. Hitler also seemed to have looked down on the Nazis who did believe in these bizarre beliefs and even mocked their interests. Hitler’s contempt for occultism was demonstrated in July 1937 when he banned the occult action of Freemasonic lodges, Theosophical circles, and related groups throughout the Reich by official decree. Hitler also held contempt for astrology and horoscopes, according Martin Brauen, informants who had known Hitler quite closely reported that Hitler had viewed astrology as absurd.