Does the Aurora, CO movie theatre shooting show attributes of being an inside job?!

Originally posted by jarusica
Excellent thread, really well put together, this news story stinks, thats why it has caught the attention of members on this website, who can read between the lines and see through the story's. My prediction is that who ever it is they have in custody will be dead by Monday , it will be another prisoner seeking retribution and will somehow manage to get to his cell and kill him. Good research and keep going

Yeah If only I could get some of the people from the other thread to contribute to this one we could see a boom of new information/trains of thought!

Even without all the hard evidence I've shown above, just the general story in and of itself sounds fishy. The cost of the equipment, the bombs, the motive, the when, why, what, where, & how just sound patched together.

Granted I don't have a solid theory myself, I truly believe this is being used as a distraction with all the major scandals currently unraveling.

Like Obama trying to get reelected amidst birth certificate doubts.
Wars in the middle east.
Sanctions on Iran.
Ron Paul's Edit the Fed bill.
The republican national convention.
The Libor scandal.
etc

OP thanks for your research and a very well laid out post S & F

Something is very fishy here and I hope the truth will come out

Hello OP, thank you for your research and post. I put a thread together last week that didn't get much traction, but I think it fits right in to your theories. My observation revolves around the supposed "100 round drum magazine" that the suspect used. The picture I saw (included in the thread I linked to) showed the assault rifle, but with a standard capacity mag in it. Just another inconsistency......

www.abovetopsecret.com...

since the morning i woke up and saw this story all over tv...i knoew something wasnt quite right.

nothing makes sense, and the media does not help one bit.

if your that crazy of a dude..why not shoot at the cops?!

plus..on the dispatch recording..it was noted that the police said they had the gun man cornered at the diamond store?

i dunno whats going on...but i dont believe none of what i hear, and half of what i see.

..row row row your boat....life is just a dream.
i asked my 1st grade teacher (1988) if life was really just a dream. she said yes.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
People just seem to pull conspiracies out of their butts on here...

I knew when I first heard this...that ATS members would be creating crap out of thin air to fulfill their conspiracy fantasies.

This was like a conspiracy theorists wet dream...

By the way...when I signed up there was no...sign here and agree to believe everything, no matter how ridiculous it is.

So your this is a conspiracy website and anyone who joined it agreed to be a nutbag...or tinfoil hat wearer.

I joined to because it is hilarious...and it is fun to read what asylum patients are thinking...

You wrote a lot but added nothing.

Originally posted by mainidh
reply to post by jlm912

 

Indeed. They are not going to play the conspiracy game, when like a jigsaw the pieces are forced to fit to make a different picture to what it actually is supposed to be.

Crazy times.. One mans psychopath is another mans fodder for mental territory. Who knew.

lol
if you've ever voted

then you do not know what a psychopath is

Originally posted by pillock
OP thanks for your research and a very well laid out post

S & F

Something is very fishy here and I hope the truth will come out

Yeah honestly if you look at a lot of these mass shooting cases, they all have very similiar trademarks, it was actualy through this case that I learned how deep the conspiracy went revolving the Virginia tech & Columbine shooting.

My original investigation into this story was merely to find out why, and it took me down the rabbit hole.

When you look at all this in light of some of the other antics the Government is suspected of being involved in (JFK & 9-11) it's very hard not to doubt the sincerity of this case.

Originally posted by Taggart

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
People just seem to pull conspiracies out of their butts on here...

I knew when I first heard this...that ATS members would be creating crap out of thin air to fulfill their conspiracy fantasies.

This was like a conspiracy theorists wet dream...

By the way...when I signed up there was no...sign here and agree to believe everything, no matter how ridiculous it is.

So your this is a conspiracy website and anyone who joined it agreed to be a nutbag...or tinfoil hat wearer.

I joined to because it is hilarious...and it is fun to read what asylum patients are thinking...

You wrote a lot but added nothing.

So far he's my biggest fan :p

Originally posted by pillock
OP thanks for your research and a very well laid out post

S & F

Something is very fishy here and I hope the truth will come out

Thanks for the reply!

Like I said I've already presented first hand evidence of witnesses/dispatch audio that clearly provides evidence suggesting contrary to the official story.

Outside of some leaked footage they botched, or someone finding out one of the witnesses is an actor I'm not really sure how much more one could ask for.

What's it take for a skeptic? A hand written statement by the Holmes saying he was a patsy? Especially on a conspiracy website, you think everyone would be open minded lol

Originally posted by ChachiArcola
Hello OP, thank you for your research and post. I put a thread together last week that didn't get much traction, but I think it fits right in to your theories. My observation revolves around the supposed "100 round drum magazine" that the suspect used. The picture I saw (included in the thread I linked to) showed the assault rifle, but with a standard capacity mag in it. Just another inconsistency......

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I had not seen that thread, I'm going to check it out now, but yeah there was a lot that didn't fit so snuggly when it came to the in's & outs of the weapon aspect.

Yeah the scene of the crime was a mess, the rifle didn't match, a second set of armor was found a long with a gas mask. The whole trail of blood by the pints.

If they were there within 90 seconds as some claim, I really don't see how they didn't catch him on the way out to his car...

www.youtube.com...

Can't believe I missed this but 11 seconds into the dispatch audio a cop clearly states "are you at the apartment ?" and another cop says "In a minute I will be".

James holmes apartment?

Originally posted by Mythology
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Can't believe I missed this but 11 seconds into the dispatch audio a cop clearly states "are you at the apartment ?" and another cop says "In a minute I will be".

James holmes apartment?

that's weird - i can see how that could be a completely different dispatch though, no? as far as i understand these are the calls as they occurred, and the talk of entering someone's home was said way before they even knew where in the theater the shooting takes place - they initially were going off of a report of someone shooting in the auditorium.

strange indeed! the more i think about it, the more i can't begin to understand how anyone was able to identify holmes inside the theater. from the looks of it, there was gas EVERYWHERE, and he was supposedly wearing a gas mask. are they really basing his arrest on the fact that the shooting happened, and that they found him armored up in his parked car? don't get me wrong, it's an obvious reason to arrest someone given what just happened, but how is there really no clear official investigation on whether or not he was the only shooter?

the more i think about it, the less sense it makes. thanks for this, it gives much insight.

Originally posted by Mythology

Originally posted by aboutface
reply to post by Mythology

 

I was online when one of the stations began to broadcast what appeared an interview with many witnesses. It seemed to be filmed in an arena locker room and other parts of the same type of building. I won't go into details, except that within an hour of watching it, I went to YT and what popped up was a hoax call against the shootings. I viewed the film and to my utter surprise, I recognized some of the "witnesses" in there, one as belonging to the Greenberg son in the Occupy movements. So yeah, it is not all as it is being sold to us for sure.

Interesting.

If someone were to present me a conspiracy theory the first thing I would ask for is witness testimony and news clips that slipped out in the early stages that possibly suggest something to the contrary.

If you notice some of the strongest evidence to support an inside job for 9-11 came from the earlier news clips when they didn't have it under wraps as much, hence a lot of reports coming out saying witnesses had heard & seen "bombs/explosives".

Many times a lot of accounts of witness testimony these days are typed out transcripts. What I love about youtube is that you can see a visual for yourself, it's one thing to read all about a conspiracy, it's another to see the raw footage for yourself.

I believe some of the strongest evidence to support a possible conspiracy will come from the witnesses. If one witness gets positively linked to being a paid actor, all it takes is one joker card to throw the whole deck of "witnesses" into question.

If anyone has any known weak links in the witnesses stories/backgrounds I would greatly appreciate a link

I only posted what I did in the hope that someone else could ID the clip and source. In it, one outstanding witness had a very bad stammer.

I saw it on the CBC and searched the CBC TV site and You Tube for the film of the witnesses interviews inside that school/ arena /locker room/ blue and red concrete walls -type location, but could not find it anywhere. I went further and called them. That call revealed that the CBC only puts up clips that they themselves produce. Their rep told me the clips from Aurora were linked footage clips from various US media sources including local Denver stations. I only know that it was shown on the CBC after the shootings from between the 24th and 28th of July. I should have been faster on the draw and called them immediately afterwards to find its source. Lesson learned

reply to post by Mythology


Hey great post, appreciate your time and efforts! I think it's important for us to keep a light on these questions, b/c they aren't going away, as much as the naysayers wish they would! You posted a link to a Carli Richards' account of the night.

Originally posted by Mythology

sinisterdreams.wordpress.com...
Here is a victim by the name of Carli Richards, her story is equally unbelievable along with her wounds. If you follow the link to her gun shot wounds, they seem more like scratches, then anything. Just throwing it out there. I like to explore all angles.
sinisterdreams.wordpress.com...
A lot of the victims I’ve researched so far just don’t seem to fit along with the official story/timeline. If anyone has any further evidence in this regard please do come forward. Judging from youtube/forum feedback many people feel a lot of the witnesses were “coached” and show obvious signs.

I went ahead and followed that rabbit hole down. Imagine this: There's some things that don't sit right in the accounts! Either it's a plant story, or this couple is scamming for money/fame.

First off, there are three links I followed, the one you provided, which supplied me with her boyfriend's account of the event sinisterdreams.wordpress.com... , which linked directly to Carli's MODELLING page (Partially NSFW!) www.carlirotten.net... which is accepting donations to offset her medical bills and therapy costs.

Issue #1: What is the timeline regarding which guns were used when? I was under the assumption that the AR was used first and then discarded due to jamming, with the shooter switching to the shotgun. The reason I ask is that according to both of their accounts the first teargas canister landed literally at their feet and they bolted up and headed for the exit ramp. According to the boyfriend:

I thought maybe this guy was throwing some promotional prizes at us, and we just happened to be lucky enough to have whatever it was land at our feet. Then it started hissing, and I saw smoke coming out of it. A second later, my nostrils were overwhelmed by what I immediately recognized as tear gas. That was the instant that it became real, and it became real to Carli about a split second before me, because she was up and outta that seat in a heartbeat. She stood up and started to run out, and believe me I was right behind her. Her reacting a hair of a second before me is what got her shot, but it’s also what saved our lives.

If you followed that original link (as well as the bf's link) she was clearly shot with buckshot...she even states that in her account. So if the AR was purportedly the first weapon used, she'd be dead, right? They were one of the first people out of the theater as well, as noted by the b/f:

So, Carli gets up and essentially shields me from getting shot, and we start running. My nose is starting to run and my eyes are starting to burn from the teargas, but I know we’ve got to get out of there and quick. Fortunately, the downward sloping wall started only a couple rows down from us, and luckily we were sitting on the farthest outside seats. I kept my head low as we made it around the corner of the wall in about two seconds. Then we began racing down the dimly lit hallway

Issue #2: Timing is everything
I know this is a relatively minor thing, but significant all the same. Have you ever been to a midnight showing of a popular "comics" movie? Of course you have, you're on ATS Here, the b/f's account of the pre-movie events makes no sense to anyone that has actually made it into a midnight movie. I'll abbreviate for the sake of your time:
-At 11:15 they decided to 'get geared up' in their batman t-shirts & whatnot and leave the house.
-Make a detailed pitstop at a gas station for an itemized list of junk food.
-Drive 4 miles in crosstown traffic, including some self-admitted navigational errors.
-Park in the 'boondocks' section of the lot. Walk in and get in line for the FANDANGO machine.
(Narrative magically omits getting into the assumedly long entrance line, and jumps to seating)
-Find 2 adjoining seats that, by opening night standards, are prime real estate. (and provide a near-perfect escape route)
-AND ALL THIS FOR A [wait for it] 12:05 SHOWING!

Issue #3: Another Actor?
As linked from the b/f's blog, carli's website is accepting donations. Her website? On it, carlirotten.net, it definitely spells out that she's an actress (along with any other profession that will make her some money or fame involving a camera). ANd BTW, I carefully checked the tattoos in the 'buckshot' photo with all the modelling shots. Definitely the same person.

So now we have 2 witnesses that are semi-professional actors? What are the odds

Has this video been posted on ATS yet? If so, I apologize but it compiles all of the strange eye witness accounts and police audio and such that is fueling the conspiracy theory crowd, all in one place, worth a look


There's also a link to a personal archive of police audio from multiple counties during the shooting:
sheilaaliens.net...

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Her modelling doesn't seem very professionnal... Nonetheless, a lot of people are registering websites, portfolios, creating profiles on models websites. How many people were in the theater that night ? More than 300 I guess. It's not impossible at all that some of them were aspiring models or actors. It is not more surprising than to discover that some of the audience members were in the military, were accountants, or were students. An actor is not a less liable witness than a person having another profession. You are using a shortcut in logic.

This has led to many people to suggest the idea that many of these so called assassins/mass shooters/”Lone” gunman were possibly victims of secretive government Mind Control programs? Food for thought.

In April 2011 Sirhan Sirhan's lawyers said he was a victim of mind control, manipulated by a seductive girl and his bullets did not kill Senator Kennedy.

The documents were filed in federal court and obtained by The Associated Press, which detail extensive interviews with Sirhan during the past three years, some done while he was under hypnosis.But the documents suggest a second person shot and killed Kennedy while using Sirhan as a diversion.

For the first time, Sirhan said under hypnosis that on a cue from the girl he went into “range mode’’ believing he was at a firing range and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.

He thought that he was at the range more than he was actually shooting at any person. Sirhan was interviewed by Daniel Brown, a Harvard University professor and specialist in trauma memory and hypnosis, interviewing Sirhan for 60 hours with and without hypnosis, according to the legal brief.

Witnesses saw such a girl fleeing the hotel shouting "We shot Kennedy!" She was never identified, and amid the chaos of the scene, descriptions were conflicting.

Through the years, Sirhan has claimed no memory of shooting Kennedy and said in the recent interviews that his presence at the hotel was an accident, not a planned destination. Under hypnosis, he remembered meeting the girl that night and becoming smitten with her. He said she led him to the pantry. “I am trying to figure out how to hit on her… . That’s all that I can think about,’’ he said in one interview cited in the documents

Sirhan persisted in the hypnotic interviews that the mystery girl touched him or “pinched’’ him on the shoulder just before he fired, then spun him around to see people coming through the pantry door.

“Then I was on the target range … a flashback to the shooting range … I didn’t know that I had a gun,’’ Sirhan said.

Under the condition of hypnotic free recall, Brown said Sirhan remembered seeing the flash of a second gun at the time of the assassination. Without hypnosis, he said, Sirhan could not remember that shot.

So, what part of this sounds familiar? I know a lifelong political researcher who just within the last 3 years came to believe Sirhan is innocent, after digging up voluminous amounts of research, and through high placed connections.

Can't believe I missed this but 11 seconds into the dispatch audio a cop clearly states "are you at the apartment ?" and another cop says "In a minute I will be".

I listened to the dispatch a few days after the incident, there were 8 or 10 minutes of silence because nothing was happening, seems coincidental that the apartment and police play such big roles in this story and an apartment is a feature within it. I'll get to that later.

There was sooooooo many more points I wanted to bring up, but to properly explain & type out all the context of the clue would of taken FOREVER

Please do try, the devil is in the details, something you may toss out of hand may be a big clue for someone else.

Issue #1: What is the timeline regarding which guns were used when? I was under the assumption that the AR was used first and then discarded due to jamming, with the shooter switching to the shotgun. The reason I ask is that according to both of their accounts the first teargas canister landed literally at their feet and they bolted up and headed for the exit ramp.

I understand that the shooter tossed the gas cans out and remained silent and motionless until they finally went off and smoke began pouring into the room, then he shot the rifle straight up into the ceiling a few times, then turned it on the occupants. That takes some nerve. I still suspect the shooter said nothing because he might have been a foreigner.

plus..on the dispatch recording..it was noted that the police said they had the gun man cornered at the diamond store?

How far away from the cinema is the diamond store? Do they mention what he is wearing? Personally, I believe the gunman got away in a vehicle waiting at the back of the theater, which is why the gas mask is there and not with Holmes.

I was online when one of the stations began to broadcast what appeared an interview with many witnesses. It seemed to be filmed in an arena locker room and other parts of the same type of building...I recognized some of the "witnesses" in there, one as belonging to the Greenberg son in the Occupy movements. So yeah, it is not all as it is being sold to us for sure.

At first there were rumors that Holmes was an OWS person. Victims and witnesses were taken from the scene to a nearby school for debriefing.

What I got on here to say was, another huge coincidence is the Oates employment story.
What are the odds? Aurora Police Chief Was Giuliani's Head of NYPD Intelligence.
An article from Bloomberg: "How to Break NRA’s Grip on Politics: Michael R. Bloomberg", under which in the comments section has the following:
"Gun Ban Bloomberg's" (Guiliani, not Bloomberg) former head of NYC police Intelligence, Dan Oates, is chief of police for little Aurora Colorado.
- Chief Oates has a perfect gun ban shooting in his town. His town out of all the towns in the country.
- The shooting happens just before voting on ratification of a UN gun ban treaty.
- The alarm on the fire door didn't work and the shooter was able to re-enter that way.
- Reportedly there were 6 armed policemen at the main entrance for crowd control, yet nothing is said about them or how they responded."

Now, I've heard this before regarding the 6 policemen, who were supposed to be in the lobby.

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Submitted by iamaqt68 on Fri, 07/27/2012 - 05:04. Permalink

I lived in Aurora for many years. What I can tell you from personal experience is that their PD is as corrupt as they come (with a few exceptions).

I left there in 2004. Right before I left, they had flashing signs by the roads that said, "if you think our police are bad, wait until you meet our judges."

Aurora police chief's dubious connections
Submitted by Barracuda_Trader on Fri, 07/27/2012 - 03:23. Permalink

July 25-26, 2012 --

As Aurora, Colorado police chief Dan Oates receives accolades from officials from President Obama to Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, Oates's past position with the New York Police Department is noteworthy as more details emerge of the connections between the alleged Century 16 movie theater shooter James Holmes and government-funded neuroscience research.

Oates retired from the New York Police Department in 2001 after a 21-year career. He served as safety services administrator in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the home of the University of Michigan, designated by former CIA director Richard Helms as one of the five top CIA-Advance Research Projects Agency (ARPA) [now known as the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA] "behavioral science" research campuses, along with Yale, M.I.T., U.C.L.A, and the University of Hawaii. In 2005, Oates left Ann Arbor to take up his present position in Aurora.Oates's last job with the NYPD was as the chief of the intelligence division. As a member of Police Commissioner Howard Safir's executive staff, Oates's prepared, according to The New York Daily News, a daily intelligence briefing for Safir, which lasted some two hours. Oates's would have conceivably had access to a wide spectrum of intelligence information, including Drug Enforcement Administration, FBI, and other federal agency reports on the suspicious activities of a number of Israeli "art students" and "office movers" in the year leading up to the 9/11 attack on New York's World Trade Center.

However, Oates apparently missed the critical intelligence or, if he passed it to Safir, it was ignored. Safir, who served as New York Police Commissioner from 1996 to 2000 and was appointed by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, previously served as a federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs agent and in 10972, was one of two BNDD agents who arrested Harvard University researcher Timothy Leary, a proponent of '___' use. However, Leary had also conducted research, under the guise of the Harvard Psilocybin Project. the Concord Prison Experiment, and the Marsh Chapel Experiment, for the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind control program. which was under the direction of CIA Technical Services director Dr. Sidney Gottlieb.

After Safir retired as police commissioner, he became the chief consultant to the CEO of ChoicePoint, Inc., the firm that was implicated in scrubbing voter rolls in Florida for the 2000 presidential election.
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Submitted by iamaqt68 on Fri, 07/27/2012 - 05:04. Permalink

I lived in Aurora for many years. What I can tell you from personal experience is that their PD is as corrupt as they come (with a few exceptions).

I left there in 2004. Right before I left, they had flashing signs by the roads that said, "if you think our police are bad, wait until you meet our judges."

Also, from what I understand, (not vetted by me) police claimed to have drugged him for his first appearance in court because he was spitting on everyone. The spitting myth was later claimed to have been wrong-if so, why did they drug him (if they did)?

The players all seem to have direct contact with heavy duty mind control sources, or work for those who do, oddly, before I knew this I was certain Holmes was a mind control victim by hunch, then by evidence of it in the 10 minute video of his court appearance.
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Here's from Carli's blog about the incident:

The rumor is that he had a shotgun, automatic rifle, and two pistols with him that night. Thankfully he just used the shotgun and did not use slugs, because otherwise, the back and chest wounds might have been fatal.

And it wasn't buckshot. She was hit with smaller bird shot. Buckshot would have hit organs, penetrated her skull and even broken bones. She had basically many tiny puncture wounds.

So how does a guy with a shotgun (max capacity 8 rounds and slow to reload) manage to shoot 62 people? Did they inflate the figures to make it sound even worse than it or did many of the wounded only end up with a few pellets apiece for the most part? No mistake, a shotgun even loaded with birdshot is deadly but only for a short distance.
The shooter used a shotgun first according to her account - do others differ on this detail? Also , I noticed in photos of the shotgun and the AR neither one had a sling. You can't carry both and shoot either of them with any accuracy at all. Did he lay one down on the floor and pick it up later?

Too many unanswered questions for me. The blood trails from the emergency exit and the 2 gas masks really make me wonder if they weren't more than one shooter involved.

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Interesting thing I noticed about the Denver Post pics number 40 and 62 (plus a few others): the white board under the car appears to be a trauma board. Unusual that it would be there under the car. It also appears items were taken from the car and placed by the dumpster for inventory, as one of the pics had a red plastic gas can showing. I also remember seeing a riot shield in some of the early pics, but I would guess that it belonged to one of the officers responding and was picked back up. The car itself showed the passenger window busted out, not the rear window.

The first interviews mentioned the guy came in wearing body armor and a mask, and had a rifle slung across his chest, and my guess is he was holding the shotgun loaded with at least 4/5 rounds. The 870 holds 4 in the magazine plus one in the chamber. The tactical 870 riot gun holds 8 total. The 870 is also a pump, which has a little more oomph than the 1100, which is automatic. I would think if someone was going to do some shooting using multiple weapons, then they would probably have gone with the 1100 and then the AR-15, but there are no 1100 tactical shotguns to my knowledge. Having the Glock 40 as a final weapon also probably meant that he may not have been planning to reload, definitely not the shotgun.

The first mention I heard of the 100 round magazine came from NY's police chief at a news conference, which I thought was odd. Why would the NYPD be giving a news conference on something that happened in another city? It was shortly thereafter that Mayor Bloomberg made his call to ban "assault weapons" and large capacity magazines. Taking advantage of the situation most definitely, but having inside knowledge of the crime scene? Also this was the first mention of the AR 15 jamming, mentioning the 100 round mag, but the photo outside the theater of the AR 15 shows a standard aftermarket 30 round clip. I could also tell it had a sling, so that part fit the description of witness comments.

So, the shooter comes in with AR 15 slung across chest carrying his 870 tactical in one hand, a tear gas grenade in the other, and Glock tucked in his belt. Now this is where it gets a little tricky: pulling the pin on the gas canister and tossing, then digging out another, pulling the pin and tossing it and bringing the shotgun into firing position. Takes a bit of time to do this, and if someone close to the front decided to be gung ho, you'd be up a creek. Now if there were two people doing it, it would not be as much of a problem, as each guy could toss his grenade and then commence to firing.

But back to the one shooter: tosses both canisters and starts pumping shells into the crowd. Tosses shotgun aside after emptying magazine. Starts in with the AR 15 firing his 30 round clip. Mind you he still has it on sling, so when the 30 rounds are emptied he still has it around his body. Takes out the Glock and starts firing, assuming he empties it as well. After all ammunition is expended, goes back out the emergency exit, takes off the AR and tosses it just outside the exit, and goes to his car and waits for police.

Lots of loose ends, as everyone has mentioned. Why bust out the passenger window if Holmes is still geared up and outside the vehicle as it seemed the police had stated (had gas mask on)? Only the crime scene would show if there were multiple magazines discarded, including the 100 round mag. I for one wouldn't think I'd need an additional 30 round clip after using the 100 round one, as I had the Glock as last weapon. One of the pics showed a handgun on the top of the car, so my guess is that it was found inside the vehicle. And why has no one latched onto the fact that the vehicle had Tennessee plates? Maybe a rental, but haven't heard much on this angle at all.

And then the gas mask at the far end of the building.

Sorry for rambling, just hashing two weeks worth of data in my head.