Target food proves evolution wrong

reply to post by stereologist

As far as the tree bark I copied and pasted, so if you think its wrong, its not my work your questioning.

There is a well written statement. You looked it up and took either the first thing you found or the first thing you thought sided with your point of view. Turns out not to be correct, but at least you admit that you have no idea whether or not the material is correct. Was it that hard to take a proper stance?

Well the fact that the information was siding with proves it was pretty easy to take a stance. Yes it was the first and the only thing I could find about the subject. I'm not seeing the problem here, is this another classic case where everyone else is wrong and your rigth?

I went back and read it again, I'm sorry I don't know what your talking about, wiki says what it says. I have it right.

Actually you need to read the article. You didn't because if you had you would realize that you continue to blunder and blunder and blunder. Read the article. You clearly have not.

I re-read the article and the only additional infomation I could find says...

deer

Deer are selective feeders. They are usually browsers, and primarily feed on leaves. They have small, unspecialized stomachs by ruminant standards, and high nutrition requirements. Rather than attempt to digest vast quantities of low-grade, fibrous food as, for example, sheep and cattle do, deer select easily digestible shoots, young leaves, fresh grasses, soft twigs, fruit, fungi, and lichens.

It's basically the same thing first posted, its just worded differently. Fungi and lichens are still plants, and fruit still grows on plants. After all this diversion, they appear to still be eating the same things. Also notice there is no bark present.

The only thing you have posted so far from what I have noticed is your opinion.

I have posted references, personal observations, and analyses of your silly notion. In that posting material I have pointed out your mistakes, which turned out to be trivial to do.

And as I have already explained I don't want you pointing them out, I want you to prove them.

No your wrong, and assuming again. I'm eating gelatin from hooved animals, thats enough.

So you are unable to determine what you are eating. Not surprised. You would be surprised to learn what animal you are eating. It is really sad to see people unable to determine such a simple question. I really can't believe you can't figure it out.

I didn't say I don't know, now your putting words in my mouth, what I have said for over three times now is that it doesn't matter because they are still hooves and the nutrition is the same for the extracted gelatin.

Noodles is made from semonilla and the pasta from durum.

Noodles include another material. You really should get a better source than the wikipedia which tends to miss important issues at times.

It doesn't really matter, as processed foods CANT be target foods, which is the focus of this thread.

Target food can easily be assumed from the facts.

You are not assuming from facts. You have not posted any facts in this thread. You are assuming based on your fantasy version of the world. There is no such thing as a target food except in your fantasy.

I'm well aware that you have already voiced your opinion.

1. You claim that labels on food tell us what is in the food yet you cannot determine the animal used to make marshmallows. Without being able to name the animal it seems you were wrong that the labels tell us what is in our food.

I wouldn't waste my time as its processed food which is not the focus of target food.

2. You claim that no animals eat rocks. You eat rocks probably every day. You do it on purpose. Yet you are unable to figure out the rocks you eat. How can we believe anything at all you claim about animal diets when you can't even figure this out.

Well then it would have been my fault to assume you would be smart enough to know that I was talking literly, not rocks somehow making it in to our diet without us knowing it.

3. You repeatedly have been unable to report the diet of deer. You continue to misrepresent the diet of deer using an article int he wikipedia that describes the diet of deer. How can we believe anything you post if you cannot properly report what is in an article in the wikipedia?

Once the basics get figured out we can move forward.

You keep claiming this but your not proving anything, your just flapping your jaws. Why dont you post the actuall diet and prove me wrong.

reply to post by idmonster

Interesting....!

Many...many moons ago tooth was looking something that tied us to all of the other animals on this planet.

I too eat a particular rock everyday, in fact, along with every animal on this planet that has a nervous system, I believe that without eating this rock we would all pretty soon die.

So this rock links us to all other animals that have a nervous system. ergo, if they are from here, so are we.

As per the article I found, no animals eat rocks but many swallow rocks...

gastroliths

reply to post by itsthetooth


Sorry you are so clueless on this issue. In fact, many places have been named mineral lick to indicate that the animals eat the dirt and rocks in the area.

I can't believe you are still unable to figure out what rock you willingly and needfully eat probably on a daily basis.

reply to post by itsthetooth

So below is an external text copy from the page you listed claiming to share information about deer diet. It appears to be what I coppied from wiki.

Then I don't know what to tell you dude, I guess you will have to contact wiki and let them know they are wrong too. All I did was share a part of their page and your telling me I'm wrong. Looks like you have your work cut out for you as your right and everyone else seems to be wrong.

Instead of this silly posturing you need to READ THE ARTICLE. Then you will find out why you are wrong about the section you quoted as being the diet of deer. They are BROWSERS. Look it up!

reply to post by stereologist

Sorry you are so clueless on this issue. In fact, many places have been named mineral lick to indicate that the animals eat the dirt and rocks in the area.

I can't believe you are still unable to figure out what rock you willingly and needfully eat probably on a daily basis.

First off I doubt seriously that they actually digest the rocks. Second the only thing you have presented about this or anything for that matter is purley your opinion as you have not shared any links proving anything we have talked about. Third, the mineral lick would probably be just that, a lick as its not digested, fourth, this topic has nothing to do with target food and just seems to be a way for you to stroke your ego, so that you can claim there is something you know that I don't.

I never claimed to know it all, nor would I.

Please take your ego stroking elswhere. If you have something that proves target food or for that matter disproves it by all means please share, but anything else, has a thread specifically for that topic I'm sure. But more importantly don't present yourself as a know it all, and that I have made mistakes, when thats just your opinion, this topic is not about opinions.

reply to post by stereologist

Instead of this silly posturing you need to READ THE ARTICLE. Then you will find out why you are wrong about the section you quoted as being the diet of deer. They are BROWSERS. Look it up!

I also looked up Browsers and was able to find it in wiki as well.

I think the problem here is your more happy with a food group for the definition, I was trying to be a little more descriptive, either way, the two parts of the definition are saying the same thing, again your just wasting time to try to prove you might be right, but your not. It's the same thing I posted, just with detail.

reply to post by stereologist


I think that its also important to mention the fact that it doesn't matter what I found or claim the deer eats, and whether or not it matches with what you found. This isn't a spelling B. The point behind all of this is that scientists know what species are eating, I proved that and you proved that so thank you for proving me right either way.

reply to post by itsthetooth

I think that its also important to mention the fact that it doesn't matter what I found or claim the deer eats, and whether or not it matches with what you found. This isn't a spelling B. The point behind all of this is that scientists know what species are eating, I proved that and you proved that so thank you for proving me right either way.

That is such poor reasoning on your part. It is in fact completely flawed.

You repeatedly posted something other than the diet of the deer. I found the diet of the deer. You for inexplicable reasons were unable to read the section dealing with the diet of the deer.

The point is that deer eat a wide range of foods. The point is that just because that is known does not in any way support this silly claim of target food.

reply to post by itsthetooth

First off I doubt seriously that they actually digest the rocks.

You are right, but they do gain valuable nutrients from the rocks.

Second the only thing you have presented about this or anything for that matter is purley your opinion as you have not shared any links proving anything we have talked about.

I have not and I will not because this is second grade knowledge. Others reading this thread know the answer. The fact that you cannot determine the answer to the rock you eat simply shows yur complete lack of understanding.

You claim was that deer do not eat rocks. You were wrong. I am awed by your inability to figure out what rock you eat on a regular basis.

Third, the mineral lick would probably be just that, a lick as its not digested, fourth, this topic has nothing to do with target food and just seems to be a way for you to stroke your ego, so that you can claim there is something you know that I don't.

The minerals are ingested and absorbed by the body. Moose, a member of the deer family will eat mineral laden mud.

The issue here is that you constantly demonstrate your lack of understanding of even simple issues yet you claim that you have proved the existence of target foods. You have not. It is clear to everyone reading this thread that you have extremely limited knowledge about anything you try to discuss.

If you have something that proves target food or for that matter disproves it by all means please share, but anything else, has a thread specifically for that topic I'm sure. But more importantly don't present yourself as a know it all, and that I have made mistakes, when thats just your opinion, this topic is not about opinions.

This thread is about your fantasy of target foods, which does not exist in the real world.

reply to post by itsthetooth

It doesn't really matter, as processed foods CANT be target foods, which is the focus of this thread.

The issue is that you claimed that labels provided complete information. They don't. If they did you would be able to figure this out. You can't and I believe you never will.

I wouldn't waste my time as its processed food which is not the focus of target food.

Thanks for admitting that you labels do NOT inform you about the contents of food.

Well then it would have been my fault to assume you would be smart enough to know that I was talking literly, not rocks somehow making it in to our diet without us knowing it.

Still can't figure out what rocks you eat on purpose can you? It should be easy to figure out. This is not grit that ends up hidden in food. This is not pieces of pottery that come off in the kitchen. This is not about dust being blown into food.

This is about rocks you purposely eat. You know what purposely means right? It means you yourself put the rocks in your own food.

You keep claiming this but your not proving anything, your just flapping your jaws. Why dont you post the actuall diet and prove me wrong.

What I am trying to get is for you reading the article on deer. Then you will see how you goofed.

Most people, like 98% of the population, make a mistake and get it right on the first recheck. Then there are the other 2% that refuse to get it right. Sort of like those that can't get the deer diet from an article are also those that make up nonsense like target food and pretend it is right.

reply to post by itsthetooth

I also looked up Browsers and was able to find it in wiki as well.

I think the problem here is your more happy with a food group for the definition, I was trying to be a little more descriptive, either way, the two parts of the definition are saying the same thing, again your just wasting time to try to prove you might be right, but your not. It's the same thing I posted, just with detail.

It's too bad you can't understand what a browser is. The diet you listed is for a grazer.

You get two F grades. One is for an inability to read the deer article. Two an inability to understand what a browser is.

If you can't understand these simple concepts how are you ever going to understand animal feeding behaviors.

reply to post by itsthetooth

Well the fact that the information was siding with proves it was pretty easy to take a stance. Yes it was the first and the only thing I could find about the subject. I'm not seeing the problem here, is this another classic case where everyone else is wrong and your rigth?

The issue is that you stated that deer do not eat bark. I simply pointed out that was wrong. This mistake is part of a trend in this thread of you making statements which are wrong. In fact, nearly everything you have posted has been wrong including target foods.

I re-read the article and the only additional infomation I could find says...

That wasn't so hard was it? This is not additional information. This is the diet of deer. This is distinctively different. You understand that right?

It's basically the same thing first posted, its just worded differently. Fungi and lichens are still plants, and fruit still grows on plants. After all this diversion, they appear to still be eating the same things. Also notice there is no bark present.

It is very different. How can you even begin to discuss foods when you cannot understand the difference between forbs and grasses vs twigs, fruit, and shoots. The two food groups listed in the two places are completely different. You notice that bark is not listed. Thus the diet list is incomplete isn't it?

I didn't say I don't know, now your putting words in my mouth, what I have said for over three times now is that it doesn't matter because they are still hooves and the nutrition is the same for the extracted gelatin.

The issue is that you stated that the labels told you what you are eating. I am asking what animal is used to make marshmallows. You cannot tell from the labels thus you are wrong. You can't tell me the animal because it is not turning up in a search engine or on labels. Tough.

reply to post by stereologist

That is such poor reasoning on your part. It is in fact completely flawed.

Not at all as I could spend the rest of my life testing the theory out on different diets from different species. I don't need to. If I checked 50 and all 50 indicated that we know what their diets are, I'm happy with 100%

You repeatedly posted something other than the diet of the deer. I found the diet of the deer. You for inexplicable reasons were unable to read the section dealing with the diet of the deer.

Actually what I found and what you found were 10 out of three sections that actually talked about diet. What if not diet do you think they are referring to?

The point is that deer eat a wide range of foods. The point is that just because that is known does not in any way support this silly claim of target food.

Of course it does, it means we know what they eat, and that is all pointing to the direction of target food, or that some is missing in this case.

You are right, but they do gain valuable nutrients from the rocks.

Maybe I should do a seperate thread about rock diets.

I have not and I will not because this is second grade knowledge.

Anything you present to me that isn't backed up with proof from links will always be looked at as though its opinion. I have all of my theory backed up with information that proves it.

Others reading this thread know the answer. The fact that you cannot determine the answer to the rock you eat simply shows yur complete lack of understanding.

No its because like I said, this aint no spelliing B, and its irrelivent to target food.

You claim was that deer do not eat rocks. You were wrong. I am awed by your inability to figure out what rock you eat on a regular basis.

And I am shocked that you still haven't learned that I will never treat anything your presenting to be anything more than your opinion without something to back it up. It's also irrelivent to target food. I purposley haven't researched it because of this.

The minerals are ingested and absorbed by the body. Moose, a member of the deer family will eat mineral laden mud.

The issue here is that you constantly demonstrate your lack of understanding of even simple issues yet you claim that you have proved the existence of target foods. You have not. It is clear to everyone reading this thread that you have extremely limited knowledge about anything you try to discuss.

I see so because you know what type of rocks animals eat, and what type of minerals, your a pro on the subject. I don't see how thats possible when you don't even believe in target food.

This thread is about your fantasy of target foods, which does not exist in the real world.

And your opinion will remain as such until you back up your claims. I have backed up mine, so you can back up yours, if they are the truth anyhow, which is not seeming to be the case.

The issue is that you claimed that labels provided complete information. They don't. If they did you would be able to figure this out. You can't and I believe you never will.

Ah ha, but what your failing to realize is that gelatin is gelatin regardless what animal you extract it from because its processed, so as a result, your wrong, we don't need to know, and it makes no difference.

Thanks for admitting that you labels do NOT inform you about the contents of food.

They also don't share what the animals were eating or drinking as well, but thats useless, just like knowing what animal its comes from.

Still can't figure out what rocks you eat on purpose can you? It should be easy to figure out. This is not grit that ends up hidden in food. This is not pieces of pottery that come off in the kitchen. This is not about dust being blown into food.

This is about rocks you purposely eat. You know what purposely means right? It means you yourself put the rocks in your own food.

Processed food is not part of the target food window, in case you missed that important fact.

What I am trying to get is for you reading the article on deer. Then you will see how you goofed.

Most people, like 98% of the population, make a mistake and get it right on the first recheck. Then there are the other 2% that refuse to get it right. Sort of like those that can't get the deer diet from an article are also those that make up nonsense like target food and pretend it is right.

Then there is the 1% like yourself that ignores the fact that I already looked up the difference in the areas about the diet, and he is still an herbavior. Either way you silce it your still wrong.

It's too bad you can't understand wha

reply to post by stereologist

It's too bad you can't understand what a browser is. The diet you listed is for a grazer.

You get two F grades. One is for an inability to read the deer article. Two an inability to understand what a browser is.

If you can't understand these simple concepts how are you ever going to understand animal feeding behaviors.

Understanding the behavior was only necessary in disproving the idea that species will eat anything. This rule only applies to them if they are completly starving. The only reason they would be starving is if their target food is gone, as well as their food group.

Thanks for the grades, but no thanks, I don't think your a qualified person to be grading me as you never proved a difference in the two different sections about the deer diet, and your claiming that nutrition facts actually don't tell you anything.

1. You claim that labels on food tell us what is in the food yet you cannot determine the animal used to make marshmallows. Without being able to name the animal it seems you were wrong that the labels tell us what is in our food.

2. You claim that no animals eat rocks. You eat rocks probably every day. You do it on purpose. Yet you are unable to figure out the rocks you eat. How can we believe anything at all you claim about animal diets when you can't even figure this out.

3. You repeatedly have been unable to report the diet of deer. You continue to misrepresent the diet of deer using an article int he wikipedia that describes the diet of deer. How can we believe anything you post if you cannot properly report what is in an article in the wikipedia?

1. It seems that we are still stuck figuring out what animal is used to make marshmallows, because labels do not tell us what we are eating.

2. A number of other posters have been able to identify the rock that they eat. They agree it is essential for well being and they eat a fair amount of it on a daily basis.
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If you had read their posts you'd understand that they too see the importance of you figuring this out yourself. They did not spill the beans.

3. The deer diet issue has transformed from finding the diet to understanding what is being described. How can you suggest the existence of something you made up called target food when you do not understand what is being written about a diet? You need to understand what a browser does and how they differ from grazers.

reply to post by itsthetooth

Understanding the behavior was only necessary in disproving the idea that species will eat anything. This rule only applies to them if they are completly starving. The only reason they would be starving is if their target food is gone, as well as their food group.

Thanks for the grades, but no thanks, I don't think your a qualified person to be grading me as you never proved a difference in the two different sections about the deer diet, and your claiming that nutrition facts actually don't tell you anything.

Deer will eat anything. They feed on anything they can eat. Starving is not an issue. You pretend it is, but that is because you have no idea what you are talking about as you have shown post after post after post.

There is no such thing as your ludicrous claim of a target food.

I can't believe you do not understand the difference because the 2 lists. That's simply absurd to pretend to be so ill educated.

For starters ask yourself this: Where are fruits covered in the first list?

reply to post by stereologist

1. It seems that we are still stuck figuring out what animal is used to make marshmallows, because labels do not tell us what we are eating.

Dont forget, we also don't know what the animals were fed either.

2. A number of other posters have been able to identify the rock that they eat. They agree it is essential for well being and they eat a fair amount of it on a daily basis.

What exactly does this have to do with target food?

If you had read their posts you'd understand that they too see the importance of you figuring this out yourself. They did not spill the beans.

The rock isn't digested so its useless for target food.

3. The deer diet issue has transformed from finding the diet to understanding what is being described. How can you suggest the existence of something you made up called target food when you do not understand what is being written about a diet? You need to understand what a browser does and how they differ from grazers

Simple, if evolutionists can do it, why can't I? Understanding that spcies have a clear diet, and not being able to prove how this intelligence is shared amongst them, is just the tip of the ice berg. There is also the problem that evolution also doesn't explain how it is that the choice being made by the speices also happens to be the most nutritious, well at least when it appears to be a target food anyhow.

Thats how. There is no other explanation period. There is the sharing of intelligent information that is somehow telling species what to eat, what not to eat, and what it looks like so they can target it. In addition there has to be a prior understanding of the food being available before someone or something can tell them to target it. There is no way to get around the dilema of there needing to be intelligence passed on between them. This fact means that there is somehow the transfer if intelligence, which is obviously not evolution.

And your opinion about me not understanding how to read a diet is obviously false, they started out as what appeared to be herbivours, and remained so after the fact. So your WRONG.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by idmonster

 

Interesting....!

Many...many moons ago tooth was looking something that tied us to all of the other animals on this planet.

I too eat a particular rock everyday, in fact, along with every animal on this planet that has a nervous system, I believe that without eating this rock we would all pretty soon die.

So this rock links us to all other animals that have a nervous system. ergo, if they are from here, so are we.

As per the article I found, no animals eat rocks but many swallow rocks...

gastroliths

As per your absolute blindness to see what is staring you in the face. Many animals eat and digest and assimilate into their very being specific rocks.

Everybody posting here does it, daily and out of necessity....yes even you.

You should view this as a little intellectual puzzle for yourself. See if you can work it out!

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by stereologist

 

It's basically the same thing first posted, its just worded differently. Fungi and lichens are still plants, and fruit still grows on plants. After all this diversion, they appear to still be eating the same things. Also notice there is no bark present.

Funghi and Lichen ARE NOT plants.

For somebody who thinks he has the dietary needs of any animal all mapped out...you really are quite ignorant.

reply to post by idmonster

Funghi and Lichen ARE NOT plants.

For somebody who thinks he has the dietary needs of any animal all mapped out...you really are quite ignorant.

They could still be seen as being in the same food group. I understand that its debatable about Lichen being called a non vascular plant, but it still happens.

You don't have to be so criticle to see what types of things they might eat simply based on some that are known.

No funghi is not a plant but again I can see where the deers diet would include them as though they were. Twigs would also be part of this , and as wiki claims, they do eat twigs.