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Funny that as you have always maintained target food would contain all an intended animal needs. Oh well all the more reason for you to provide that concise definition of target food.
I never claimed that, that would be insane to even think of such a claim. The possibilities are right up there with the idea of evolution. What I claimed is that a target food would be very high in nutrition for that specific species.
Nope. It was little old dishonest you maintaining your crown as King of the liars it seems. So explain now the diet of the anteater.
I never said he only eats ants. Are you sure your not confusing me with someone else you have been debating with?
In that case it cannot prove or disprove extinctions. Where does that leave your target food nonsense?
Fossil records can't prove or disprove creation or evolution, sorry.
I made no such claim. Here is what I wrote and you should be answering. 'You claim the anteater may not be from here. The fossil record shows you are wrong. The onus is on you to show why the fossil record is wrong. To do that you need evidence not your lame opinion.'
Unless your claiming that there are fossils that prove to be 4.3 billion years old, you are wrong.
Not answering again I see. Explain if an animal can have more than one target food why can’t ALL food be target food.
It could be, as in the case of the abalone, but I never said it had to be, that would be an evolution find, very narrow, unthought of, and unproven.
Nope. You claim if an animal has to go through many processes to get its food then it is not target food. The ant goes through many processes to get honeydew. Its food according to you cannot be target food.
Well the ant has a mutualistic relationship with the aphid, so it depends on what you were thinking of. HIs target food is obviously the honeydew but his relationship is with the aphid.
Ah so I did catch you out trying to deceive. You refuse to post a link to the site you claim is the source of your information but in reality at best you cherry picked and worse made it up.
Once again you supply a link to a quote that takes you to Google search. Your quote has no meaning because I cannot verify if you have cherry picked from it or even just made it up.
No I allso supplied 6 other sites for definition that also concur that the term natural will not involve anything that is caused or made by human kind.
Really? You should be saying sorry for being so dishonest.
So I'm sorry but your obviously very wrong.
Nope all you did was what you tried again in your previous post. Supply a link to wild.
I did better than that, I gave you an example of it being used in a definition.
Nope you gave me your opinion. Do you know what an answer looks like? Do you understand the concept of evidence and proof?
So now I would like you to prove any food is intended food
I allready have, the ant to the anteater, the millet to the parakeet, and the kelp to the abalone.
Don’t you ever get bored with the same old joke. You again liked to Google. You are truly a clown.
Its under the synonyms.
But you claim we don’t have target food so they serve a purpose. English is another skill you cannot grasp. Seems dishonesty is your only trick.
'Again your pi$$ poor use of English is evident. Homogenization, pasteurization and fortifying the milk serve a purpose so it is not redundant. GET AN EDUCATION.'
They don't serve a purpose if we had our target foods.
Share the original one with me. I want to check it out
They are all in context and some verbatim that it applys to things that are not caused or made by human kind.
What another alteration to what target food is? Start writing that definition boy.
Thats because your not weighing in the fact that there were things brought to earth.
1. How do you rule out extinctions if you cannot depend on the fossil record?
When did I say that.
Here
A fossil record doesn't prove conclusivly that there was even a relationship. Thats all in your mind and those types of assumptions are subjective.
Childish avoidance again, way to go. You claimed as above shows the fossil record does not prove conclusively that there was even a relationship. I asked you how you can determine extinctions. do that
As you can see, my answer had nothing to do with extinctions, maybe you should read it again.
ooops your pathetic opinion again. How can you determine extinctions if the fossil record is so unreliable?
I would think it would be the best way.
So again another post where you have point blank answered nothing yet you issue playground dares for me to answer your trash on the Abalone. Pathetic
But never anything about lost food right? Your also making another assumption that just because there were lost civilizations there would automatically be lost food to go with them.
You don’t get off that easy Pinocchio. You made the thread. You made the claim, you provide the answers, evidence and proof for all your nonsense. Failure to do so means you admit there is nothing to back up your claims by default.
I don't blame you for not wanting to touch that one. Scary it is. Something that evolution is not able to explain, it looks like your religion is finally coming up short for you.
That is not how it works boy. You made this thread. You claimed target food proves evolution wrong. Your job is to back up that statement with a lot more than you have so far because all I have seen from you is your ignorance based opinion.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by colin42
No colin, evolution was made long before target food was made. And evolution supposedly has a theory on how a species chooses its food. It's your turn.
Only after you identify that mechanism, will you be able to see how a species might be able to forget what its suppose to eat.
Er, that's your job not mine. Your claim so you provide the evidence. See above
That mechanism is target food BTW.
Show your evidence for that claim
Well said. Our man is failing big time. He was able to hide behind the title in the other thread but this is his baby and he is not appearing to be a good parent.
Originally posted by idmonster
A quick Google search past the first item on abalone diet shows that these marine herbivores graze a variety of marine plant life but tend to subsist mainly on Kelp and Algae...that's kelp AND algae.
Also interestingly, further research shows that this "target food" may not be all its cracked up to be as scientist farming abalone are getting much higher yields using food pellets formulated in the lab.
Maybe his original "target food" became extinct and scientists have stumbled upon a closer match to his target food that Mr and Mrs Abalone did by themselves.
Anyways, that aside, you have still failed to meet your thread title of proving evolution wrong with target food. At what point do you intend to supply the evidence to back up your claim?
I repeat, regardless of whether an animal has a very specific diet or not....HOW DOES THIS PROVE EVOLUTION WRONG?
Please either supply the proof, or admit that you have made a mistake and "target food" real or imagined has no bearing on evolution.
P.S. Dont bother with replying about whether or not "target food" proves the lack of this planet origination for us, this is not your claim, just in case you forgot:
YOUR CLAIM IN THIS THREAD IS NOT THAT TARGET FOOD PROVES WE ARE NOT FROM EARTH>>>>>>YOUR CLAIM IS SPECIFICALLY THAT TARGET FOOD PROVEs EVOLUTION WRONG.
No its been made clear that target food could be in one to a few sources. Like I said the chances of there being one specific and one only food for everything is about as absurd as the theory of evolution.
I never claimed that, that would be insane to even think of such a claim. The possibilities are right up there with the idea of evolution. What I claimed is that a target food would be very high in nutrition for that specific species.
Funny that as you have always maintained target food would contain all an intended animal needs. Oh well all the more reason for you to provide that concise definition of target food.
As I have always maintained, ants and termites would be a target food, I'm sure there are still other things he eats however, but they may not classify as target food.
I never said he only eats ants. Are you sure your not confusing me with someone else you have been debating with?
Nope. It was little old dishonest you maintaining your crown as King of the liars it seems. So explain now the diet of the anteater.
Why do you refer to it as nonesense. You agree that a species eats the same foods, as a whole, you agree that they don't deviate from their diet by eating odd things that would confuse a scientist. It's as though they either know what they are eating, or at least know they are supposed to be eating it. You also never see them individually striking out and eating odd things that their species is known to not eat.
Fossil records can't prove or disprove creation or evolution, sorry.
In that case it cannot prove or disprove extinctions. Where does that leave your target food nonsense?
And you totally missing the point, what I'm saying is I never made any claims about WHEN the anteater could have been brought here, so you are wrong. Its entirly possible he was brought here a hell of a long time ago, this could explain why there are fossil records.
I made no such claim. Here is what I wrote and you should be answering. 'You claim the anteater may not be from here. The fossil record shows you are wrong. The onus is on you to show why the fossil record is wrong. To do that you need evidence not your lame opinion.'
What does your comment have to do with my point?
Well your forgetting that a target food will yeild high end results for the consumer, it may appear to be a good portion of his diet. As an example, just recently fathairytexan argued that oatmeal packs a whopping amount of calcium. So after I look it up, it turns out that its only about 150mg, which means it would take us 6.6 cup servings just to hit our daily goal. Thats obviously not a target food. It's taking up so much room that the rest of our diet is going to suffer.
It could be, as in the case of the abalone, but I never said it had to be, that would be an evolution find, very narrow, unthought of, and unproven.
Not answering again I see. Explain if an animal can have more than one target food why can’t ALL food be target food.
And how many processes is that exactly?
Nope. You claim if an animal has to go through many processes to get its food then it is not target food. The ant goes through many processes to get honeydew. Its food according to you cannot be target food.
There are six sites that agree with me, I believe there were a total of seven, so no, your wrong again. If you think I cherry picked your wrong. All I did was present the highest amount of the true answer which was that they agreed with me. I never found the site you quoted, and the only one I omitted didn't appear to be in clear english.
Ah so I did catch you out trying to deceive. You refuse to post a link to the site you claim is the source of your information but in reality at best you cherry picked and worse made it up.
Your still wrong.
Really? You should be saying sorry for being so dishonest
Really? You have again demonstrated you cannot answer the simplest of questions. You are going to disprove evolution with what, your ego. Fail
I think its more that you are unable to comprehend the complexity of the subject, so you see it your way.
(Looks around) The only thing I can see in this thread that is backed up is all the questions you have not answered, provided proof or evidence for. Wait I see something .......... ...... Oh it's just one of your opinions.
I don't offer my opinion on here, there is another thread for that, I only present things that can be backed up.
Nope. I thought it was a thread that after reading the title promised to prove evolution wrong using target food. What I found was you on a pulpit giving your usual self opinionated sermons with nothing to back them up.
Clearly you feel this is a thread for you to share your opinions. Your not a serious guy.
You cannot show one target food that has not been discredited and as for your calcium nonsense how many times and in how many ways do you need to be proven foolish?
The fact we have no target food and have no effecient source of calcium is proof alone.
Not far back you told me to repost a question I had asked at least four times. Accused me of sulking.
Just what I said, and I actually stated this a long time ago, did you miss class that day?
Supply the quote and page.
I'm not going to do the work for you lazy B just because you missed class that day.
Coming from a guy that claims he studied the supernatural for 30 years but shows no signs of having studied anything for 30 minutes that is pretty rich
I supplied a link to a science paper 30 years in the making, the same amount of time it took you to become an expert in the supernatural. Read that. Comment on that.
Oh dear, if it took you 30 years to make a science paper, you must have had problems.
Show that documented proof.
Neither, it has to do with the documented proof that says earth is not our home.
Show that documentation
I base mine on both, we have documentation telling us earth is not our home, and that our food was not brought here.
Supplements are proof of what. Careful now as you have admitted the anteater supplements his target food of ants with other foods. That is a supplement. What do supplements prove again?
What a coincidence, thats exactly what we are dealing with and supplements are proof.
Rule what out first?
Who said it does? Evolution explains the diversity we see and how it evolved. Only you want to award it god like powers of creation.
Not necessarily, I'm just saying you have to first rule that out.
well done, you found out then except the ants farm not the leaves they cut. Did you get tired from all that exercise? They cut the leaves to a transportable size. Clean it before it is taken into the nest. Chew it into a pulp. Plant the fungus on the pulp. Remove bacterial infections to the fungus using antibiotics. Lots of processes there.
They obviously eat fungus that is farmed by the leaves they cut.
I am on your thread about target food where you are going to show how it proves evolution wrong not my thread inviting discussion on diversity. Why wouldn’t I mention target food? Unlike you I try to stay on the thread topic.
Well one thing is for sure colin, you are showing some signs of being able to learn. Just a month ago, you would refuse to repeat the phrase target food as though it were a bad word, not your having a better understanding of its meaning.
What would I want to escape from? Proving your wrong a dozen times over.
That is not how it works boy. You made this thread. You claimed target food proves evolution wrong. Your job is to back up that statement with a lot more than you have so far because all I have seen from you is your ignorance based opinion.
You walked headlong into this trap and now your only escape is to provide the proof of your claim. You are not doing well. Target food is dying on its ass
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by colin42
Look the facts are simple. Evolution does nothing to explain why and how a species eats the same things. There would have to be intelligence shared somewhere to make that possible. As humans we are missing a natural adequate calcium source here for us, and we have no target food to speak of.
Game over, you lost, we are obviously not from here, you have done nothing to prove otherwise except claim that fossil records show otherwise, but fossil records don't prove whether or not we are from here, only what used to be here at one time.
So as I have asked you many times now. If target food can be one or many foods why is mans food not all his target food.
No its been made clear that target food could be in one to a few sources. Like I said the chances of there being one specific and one only food for everything is about as absurd as the theory of evolution.
So the anteater has target foods and non target foods? Why
As I have always maintained, ants and termites would be a target food, I'm sure there are still other things he eats however, but they may not classify as target food.
I like to be accurate and what you describe is nonsense.
Why do you refer to it as nonesense.
Nope. You claimed if evolution was real there would be many diets within a species. I linked you to a scientific paper that shows a large variation of diet within species so you changed your story to ‘that proves target food’.
You agree that a species eats the same foods,
Nope. I linked you to a scientific paper showing a large variation of diet within a species. Written by a scientist who did not appear confused.
as a whole, you agree that they don't deviate from their diet by eating odd things that would confuse a scientist.
Assumption
It's as though they either know what they are eating, or at least know they are supposed to be eating it.
Easily witnessed every day and by many species. examples birds eating bread. Carp eating boiled potatoes used as ground bait. To name but a few.
You also never see them individually striking out and eating odd things that their species is known to not eat.
Here is the link to that post by you
I don't offer my opinion on here, there is another thread for that, I only present things that can be backed up.
I am missing the point? Are you sure? Scientists say with full confidence the fossil record shows how the anteater evolved. You have been given many links to this information.
I made no such claim. Here is what I wrote and you should be answering. 'You claim the anteater may not be from here. The fossil record shows you are wrong. The onus is on you to show why the fossil record is wrong. To do that you need evidence not your lame opinion.'
What does your comment have to do with my point?
And you totally missing the point, what I'm saying is I never made any claims about WHEN the anteater could have been brought here, so you are wrong.
That changes nothing. Scientist say with confidence the fossil record shows how the anteater evolved. So as I see it you have a couple of choices:
Its entirly possible he was brought here a hell of a long time ago, this could explain why there are fossil records.
Ignored
Well your forgetting that a target food will yeild ............. boring.......... no evidence..........no backup
You claimed you read up on ants, you should know. If not do what you claimed you did and read up. Until then I am telling you many. Look if you cannot answer my questions man up and admit it.
Nope. You claim if an animal has to go through many processes to get its food then it is not target food. The ant goes through many processes to get honeydew. Its food according to you cannot be target food
And how many processes is that exactly?
Not good enough. You have quoted that so called definition many times. I want to see that definition and link, until you do that I can only assume you cherry picked or worse made it up. Not looking good for you is it.
Ah so I did catch you out trying to deceive. You refuse to post a link to the site you claim is the source of your information but in reality at best you cherry picked and worse made it up.
There are six sites that agree with me, I believe there were a total of seven, so no, your wrong again. If you think I cherry picked your wrong. All I did was present the highest amount of the true answer which was that they agreed with me. I never found the site you quoted, and the only one I omitted didn't appear to be in clear english
Nope you reply but never give an answer. You avoid, lie and ignore but do not answer. You pretend to link to quoted sources that in reality is the google front page.
You come on here and demand answers and I always give them
And thats fine to believe that, but one thing I pointed out earlier is what happens if the target food is a species itself? Does it just not get to evolve, or does the predator always get the upper hand on the list?
Except.....except many of the observations around natural selection explain exactly how an animals evolutionary path can lead it to specialise in eating a specific food source, and how the abundance, or otherwise of a specific food source has a dramatic effect on the phenotype of a species
So you are claiming that we would evolve into our food. So I ask with all intentions of getting an answer, what did humans evolve into eating? If you can't give me a straight answer on that, evolution is a fraud.
BUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..........Off topic post...............Please try and stick to providing evidence as to how target food....(if it exist)....prove evolution wrong.
What do you mean IF. Your acting like you couldn't ask any scientist about what a species eats. Aside from humans, we know for a fact what every species eats. That alone tells you that target food is real. The fact that there is direction of some type occuring in all species to tell them not only what they are to eat, but also what they are not to eat.. The rest of the species on this planet obviously don't do food testing like we do to determine what they should be eating, and they sure in the hell don't hold dieting groups to relay to the rest of the units in their species, to keep them on track with the same diet. The just know, do you not get that. There is an element of guidance here that tells them what to eat and what not to eat. It's from this understanding that target food was derived. So when you question if its real, your only fooling yourself.
All the evidence so far leads me to the conclusion that if an animal had such a thing as a target food,
Your claiming they pick and choose on their own, which is false, there is no trial and error and there is no labratorys for them to do experiments either, and there are no groups held to keep the rest of the species up to date on your new findings.
this would prove evolution correct. In fact, come to thimk of it, with or without target food, the fact that all species manage to thrive on what is available points to the only logical conclusion that the acquisition of food sources is due to evolutionary changes occuring within a species.
When you see a species eating a large variety of different things, its an obvious sign of desperation. Some or many things are lacking from its diet, and the species is struggeling to find its food, of course its not here. We only typically see this behavior in humans but there are many other examples. Wild dogs, Wild cats, scavengers. Their food is not here. Now we make food for cats and dogs, but that is man made food, its not natural. They are obviously not in their element.
No its been made clear that target food could be in one to a few sources. Like I said the chances of there being one specific and one only food for everything is about as absurd as the theory of evolution.
So as I have asked you many times now. If target food can be one or many foods why is mans food not all his target food
Most likely becuase he is missing one or more. He's trying to substuite for something missing. Take what we do for example, thats all we do, we substuite to the point that we have even made supplements.
As I have always maintained, ants and termites would be a target food, I'm sure there are still other things he eats however, but they may not classify as target food.
So the anteater has target foods and non target foods? Why
Someone on this thread had shared with me that according to evolution, a species will just eat whatever it can. This of course we be total chaos, frogs eating cows, chimps eating birds, notice how nothing eats humans.
Nope. You claimed if evolution was real there would be many diets within a species. I linked you to a scientific paper that shows a large variation of diet within species so you changed your story to ‘that proves target food’.
I have no link but I'm not shocked, Humans are the best example of not having any target food. And you know what, we were warned, we were told in the bible that none of the things given to us here, are from our home.
as a whole, you agree that they don't deviate from their diet by eating odd things that would confuse a scientist.
Nope. I linked you to a scientific paper showing a large variation of diet within a species. Written by a scientist who did not appear confused.
There is no assumption, aside from the human species, the diet of every other species is 100% predictable. Of the 5 million species we don't see diets changing so this is another clue that evolution is a fraud.
Assumption
My best proof is that the diet of any given species is 100% predictable, with the exception of humans. You can't explain why this is through evolution because it will only work when intelligence is involved, and evolution isn't suppose to have any intelligence.
All I can see on offer is your opinion. No evidence no links to evidence. No proof of your claims just your opinion. nothing is backed up.
Your title says 'Target food proves evolution wrong'. When do you intend to do that
Neither, what I'm trying to say is that there is no proof that its even the same species. It's only because its simular that an assumption was made that it was an evolved species.
I am missing the point? Are you sure? Scientists say with full confidence the fossil record shows how the anteater evolved. You have been given many links to this information.
So your claim the anteater is not from here is challenged by the evidence in the fossil record. For your claim to be successful that the anteater is not from here you need to discredit the fossil record and to do that you need evidence. Where is it?
And I'll bet you if you look hard enough you can even see a connection to pink unicorns.
That changes nothing. Scientist say with confidence the fossil record shows how the anteater evolved. So as I see it you have a couple of choices:
1. Admit the anteater evolved after it was brought here a long time ago or
2. Present the evidence that the fossil record is wrong.
Your opinion is not required or acceptable. As you will never admit anything evolved let alone the anteater. Show your evidence discrediting the fossil records and while you are about it the DNA information that shows the same thing.
Why can't a species just naturally be a scavenger? Why do you judge it as being desperate if it is a perfectly viable lifestyle for a great deal of animals?
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