Why I am voting for Obama!

Do I like Obama?
NO!
www.youtube.com... *

However, I know why a “progressive” was allowed to be elected. After Bush caused our current financial mess by letting international corporations and their elite rob the American people thru deregulation, it became obvious (just like the great depression of the 30s) that it would take at least a decade to crawl out of it. The sheeple have no knowledge of history or economics and will expect things to turn around in less then 4 years. With a “progressive” ( Obama is hardly a progressive or Socialist, he is the best friend Wall Street ever had) as President, they can then claim that “progressive” policies are to blame for the current economic problems and that the cure is to go back to the policies of deregulation ( of Wall Street etc) and less taxes on the elite that got us into this mess. That is Romney’s message.
Obama is a puppet of the international elite. Romney is a puppet of the international elite. The only difference is that Obama throws the middle class a bone ( tax cuts etc) now and then to keep us quiet. Romney raises taxes on the middle class and cuts them for the elite. Unfortunately, those are our only two options until something happens. A bone is better then nothing!



* Unfortunately, Romney agrees with indefinite detention.

reply to post by wittgenstein


Why don't you just vote in accordance with your conscience rather than trying to make a weak claim for what you see as a lesser flavor of evil? If Obama wins, nobody will know what anyone's reasons were for voting for him, it will simply appear that the voters approve of him, and want a second helping of what he's been dishing out.

Far better to vote for anyone you might think would actually be a good choice, regardless of whether they're on the ballot or not. Vote for yourself or your cat or dog if you'd like (my cat, Ivan, is running his campaign from the den). Then, regardless which of the odious choices we're given, at least the winner won't be able to crow about having a mandate from the people.

And, you'll sleep better, knowing that you did your best and expressed your opinion.

But everything is Obama's fault. Are you saying the GOP has been lying to the American people?

There is another option.

waste of time playing their game and voting for any of the corrupt bastards....

really wish you americans would grow a pair and take your country back from the bastards that are running it... time you remind them they are supposed to work for you the people ... instead of being their slaves...

reply to post by buster2010


Nothing is more popular than ron Paul on the internet, except kittens!

You sir, have created an unbeatable internet monster!

reply to post by wittgenstein


Have you noticed how many of our freedoms he's taking away. If you research the character of this man you'd vote for anyone but him. Like you said, they're all just puppets, but there are way too many question marks about his past, and his true agenda.

My vote will be for anyone but Him. NObama/2012

I am sorry,

I personally think they are all on the same team.

They just like to talk "differences" to fool people into thinking that one team is better than the other.

Our current system of politics will not fix the problem. I hate to break it to you but it really does not matter who you vote for.

This is my opinion of course, and quite personally if everybody would step outside of the red and blue for a moment and take a real look around it would be evident that they are all in the same.

LJ01 for president

Ps: I was all for the Boondocksaint campaign. Some of the older ATS patrons may remember this.

Originally posted by PMNOrlando
reply to post by wittgenstein

 

Have you noticed how many of our freedoms he's taking away. If you research the character of this man you'd vote for anyone but him. Like you said, they're all just puppets, but there are way too many question marks about his past, and his true agenda.

My vote will be for anyone but Him. NObama/2012

Maybe I am seriously ignorant, but please lay out the freedoms he has taken away. Question marks about Obama's past and agenda, there are just as many in my head about Romney and his past and agenda. I am lower middle class and my life has not changed one iota in the last 3.5 years. I still go to work, struggle to pay my bills, and don't feel like I am getting ahead. You are going to tell me that Romney is going to change that, ha, would rather tie my dog to the roof of the car, and drive him through the car wash.

Originally posted by wittgenstein
However, I know why a “progressive” was allowed to be elected. After Bush caused our current financial mess by letting international corporations and their elite rob the American people thru deregulation

Interesting. I'll have to disagree to a certain extent. Corporate interests have not only been robbing the American people of their wealth, but people all over the world as well way before any Bush ever held office. The only difference before was that it was done more covertly compared to today where it is very much overt.As far as Obama getting my support, it would be the direction I would grudgingly go. At least I know this evil to a certain extent. I find Romney to be a very scary motherf@#$er. He has scandal written all over him. He pretty much told the American people his administration would mainly consist of financial interests and individuals.

Romney's new economic team, announced on Tuesday, includes Columbia Business School Dean Glenn Hubbard, CEA chairman from 2001-2001; Harvard economist Greg Mankiw, CEA chairman from 2003-2005; former Minnesota congressman-turned-lobbyist Vin Weber and former Republican senator from Missouri Jim Talent. Their combined records include lobbying for stimulus funds and in favor of cap and trade, advocating for the Federal Reserve's quantitative easing policy and refusing to divulge conflicts of interest with big businesses seeking influence in the government.

Weber, who is both the managing partner at the lobbying firm Clark & Weinstock and a regular unpaid operative for GOP campaigns, was a hired lobbyist for troubled government-sponsored housing giant Freddie Mac during the run up to the 2008 economic collapse. He also helped companies win money from the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus bill.

Talent, a former senator from Missouri, is now the co-chairman for Mercury Public Affairs, a lobbying firm based in that state. Unlike Weber, he has not registered as a lobbyist, allowing him to avoid divulging the clients that he serves. But Talent's bio on the Mercury site lists "lobbying" as one of his "actions" available to clients.

Hubbard, Bush's first CEA chairman, has taken flack recently for his appearance in Charles Ferguson's Oscar-winning documentary "Inside Job," which documented the 2008 financial collapse and the conflicts of interests of those involved. Hubbard, who is the dean of Columbia University's Business School, was confronted in the film about performing consulting work for financial firms while occupying a prestigious university chair; he refused to divulge his clients and board memberships.

HUFF POSTIt's quite interesting when you begin to notice the revolving door in worldwide politics. And people wonder why things are just getting worse instead of better.

Originally posted by wittgenstein
After Bush caused our current financial mess ..

He wasn't alone. Barney Frank , Chris Dodd, Barack Obama [(then a lawyer for that corrupt ACORN group, and he sued banks forcing them to make bad loans). Nancy Pelosi. Alan Greenspan. Etc etc

BBC Did Bush Cause the Financial Crisis

The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 separated the activities of commercial banks, which take deposits, from investment banks, which invest money. It was repealed in 1999. That relaxation of the rules enabled commercial lenders, like Citigroup, to trade instruments such as mortgage-backed securities and collateralised debt obligations. Many see the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as a major, direct cause of the current financial crisis.

But it was signed by a Democratic President, Bill Clinton, and supported by many other Democratic politicians, among them the scourge of Bush deregulation Nancy Pelosi. What is more, President Bush actually increased the burden of regulation on US companies, enacting in 2002 what he called "the most far-reaching reform of American business practices since the time of Franklin D Roosevelt", the Sarbanes-Oxley Act - A response to a number of major corporate and accounting scandals, including the collapse of the energy group Enron, Sarbanes-Oxley significantly increased the reporting requirements and accountability of company boards and management.

The sheeple have no knowledge of history or economics ...

Neither do you so I guess that makes you a sheeple.
Considering how you defend MSNBC .. we should have known that, eh?

The only difference is that Obama throws the middle class a bone ( tax cuts etc) now and then to keep us quiet.

He isn't throwing a bone ..
20 new taxes caused by Obamacare
Obamacare - 1 Trillion $$ in New Taxes
New 3.8% Home Sales Tax to pay for Obamacare
Obamacare Declares War on Doctors

The worst fears about Obamacare are now being realized in a decision on Monday by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MPAC) established by the law to supervise $500 billion in Medicare cuts. MPAC, whose decisions have the force of law, has voted to impose drastic pay cuts on all doctors under Medicare and, by extension, under Medicaid (which tends to follow suit). The cuts will effectively reduce the real pay for specialists by 50% over the next ten years — including a 25% reduction over the next three years — and cut general practitioners’ pay by one-third over ten years (and that assumes that inflation stays down at 3% a year).

MPAC has ruled that specialists must accept a 6% cut in their fees per year for each of the next three years followed by a seven year freeze in their fees without any adjustment for inflation. If inflation stays very low — at 3% per year — this cut amounts to an 18% cut in nominal pay and a 50% cut in real pay for specialists. General practitioners will face a ten year freeze on their pay, reducing their real compensation by one-third assuming ongoing low inflation. Higher inflation, of course, would make the cuts in real pay even more drastic.

* Unfortunately, Romney agrees with indefinite detention.

Obama Approves Indefinite Detention Without Trial

President Obama today signed an executive order that will formalize the indefinite extralegal detention of terror suspects without charges as a permanent aspect of American life, while announcing that he intends to use this on detainees “who continue to pose a significant threat to national security” but against whom there is insufficient evidence to actually charge them with any crime.

Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Bill Into Law

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law today. The statute contains a sweeping worldwide inindefinite detention provision

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

Originally posted by PMNOrlando
reply to post by wittgenstein

 

Have you noticed how many of our freedoms he's taking away. If you research the character of this man you'd vote for anyone but him. Like you said, they're all just puppets, but there are way too many question marks about his past, and his true agenda.

My vote will be for anyone but Him. NObama/2012

Maybe I am seriously ignorant, but please lay out the freedoms he has taken away. Question marks about Obama's past and agenda, there are just as many in my head about Romney and his past and agenda. I am lower middle class and my life has not changed one iota in the last 3.5 years. I still go to work, struggle to pay my bills, and don't feel like I am getting ahead. You are going to tell me that Romney is going to change that, ha, would rather tie my dog to the roof of the car, and drive him through the car wash.

So are you saying you're voting for Obama (who hasn't changed your situation either)?

Most people vote for someone because it benefits them in some way.

I won't vote for Obama because I would not benefit from his re-election.

I would vote for Gary Johnson. He is similar to Ron Paul, if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination. And as far as Obama and Mit, I think Obama is much worst. It's his final term and he is will to go all out and destroy America, plus he is a communist. Mit at least has to make it less severe because he'll prob want a second term. But I would just vote for Gary Johnson. None of those guys deserve a vote.

Originally posted by PMNOrlando
reply to post by wittgenstein

 

Have you noticed how many of our freedoms he's taking away. If you research the character of this man you'd vote for anyone but him. Like you said, they're all just puppets, but there are way too many question marks about his past, and his true agenda.

My vote will be for anyone but Him. NObama/2012

Not being American, I must have missed all the freedoms you have lost under Obama. Can you please list them for me? I'd love to know what's going on down there.

As I said previously I am furious with Obama because of www.youtube.com... . However, since Romney agrees with indefinite detention (and would even go farther) that will not stop me from choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
The argument (The economy is bad, Obama is president now, therefore Obama is to blame for the economy) is simplistic and shows a complete lack of historical and economic knowledge. The en.wikipedia.org... took at least a decade to crawl out of and was caused by the deregulated en.wikipedia.org... Now, Romney wants us to go back to the policies that created this mess. en.wikipedia.org... got us out of the great depression and Obama tried to use it www.washingtonpost.com... . Unfortunately, Republicans made sure that the stimulus was not large enough to have dramatic effects.
Now Romney is asking to raise middle class tax rates to give the en.wikipedia.org... more tax cuts!!!!!
PS; I have no idea why the "roaring twenties" site will not stick. Simply google "roaring twenties wiki"

I believe that Obama supported indefinite detention for political reasons, even tho he knows that it is evil. He knew that if he went against it Republicans would paint him as pro-terrorist (and like the idiot that thought Sikhs are Muslims , Republicans would say that it is because Obama is a Muslim) .
However, that does not excuse him. A president is sworn in committing himself to the protection of the Constitution.

reply to post by wittgenstein


Look. Romney has zero chance of winning.

He has served his purpose and has very little real world support. Obama is going to win, and he is the one that INACTED indefinite detention of American citizens.

Vote for Ron Paul. Have an actual voice.

reply to post by wittgenstein


Oh brother. So when you are locked up you can think "Obama did it, but I know in his heart he doesn't mean it." And guess what? It's still just a stupid guess. He passed it because he wanted it, not for political reasons. Are you a crazy person? He passed it just after becoming president he was riding as high as you can he didn't need to do anything like that!

You are deluding yourself for some weird reason. I believe it's obvious to everyone it is because you actually do like Obama or you wouldn't make apologies for him. OBAMA IS THE REASON WE HAVE INDEFINITE DETENTION.

RON PAUL 2012

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You mean like when he killed those American citizens (yes personally by signing off on the order to have them specifically killed via drones) without a right to trial?

“I won't vote for Obama because I would not benefit from his re-election.”
Beezzer
You must not be middle class (or poor). Or are you in favor of maddowblog.msnbc.com... ?
Perhaps another Obama term will not benefit you, but a Romney presidency will devastate you.