Homosexually.

Well two of the same sex humans cannot produce another human. I think it goes against the law of nature but it's part of human self pleasure, Fancy a shaggin?


Again I have no problem with it. Maybe one day we can produce synthetic bodies and those that wish to be of the other sex can transfer their brains. :p

To tell you the truth I really dont care. Who people choose to sleep with is their bussines. I don't care what the bible says everybody no matter what sex, race, religion or sexual preference should be treated equally and with respect. Rights are the same to everybody.

how does it go against the laws of nature? there are homo-sexuals among all species


and the bible is mostly bull# based on the morals of the times, the only core ideals that are still somewhat apparant in it are compassion and forgiveness

i dont condem any one........

All i know from this world.......is that man and woman can conceive a child........

Man and Man cannot......
Women and Women cannot.......

If anyone is to be a Judge of this.....it is for God to Judge and not of us ''mere humans......

Sin is what weakens a man to justify what they beleive to be ''Truth'' and because man has the ''authority'' of this world(earth) it justifies them to act according to their own rules on what is right or wrong.......

GOD IS '''NOT FROM THIS WORLD'''' and so man has designed for himself to satisfy their beleifs........

Preference of '''sexual orientation''' is mans rule.......

There is no '''''scientific proof''' that there is a gene for being ''''homosexual '''
It is a preference of ones choice they make.........
It is a life style that they lead.........

All people have sinned........(yes, even those that consider themselves not to have ever sinned......

When one acusses another of their sin, it is not for them to judge but God..............

I therefore do honestly beleive that '''Preference of the same sex '' is just that..........''a choice one makes''' and not a ''true'' beleif of existence.......

Originally posted by helen670

There is no '''''scientific proof''' that there is a gene for being ''''homosexual '''
It is a preference of ones choice they make.........
It is a life style that they lead.........

I therefore do honestly beleive that '''Preference of the same sex '' is just that..........''a choice one makes''' and not a ''true'' beleif of existence.......

Is there "scientific proof" that there is a God? Or is it a prefrence some people choose?

If homosexuality is a choice, then that means heterosexual people have chosen to be Not Homosexual.
In which case they are simply "choosing" a certain way of life, as well.

And anyway, heterosexual people (just like homosexuals) have sex for PLEASURE.
Birth Control and condems, and the like, have guaranteed that.

Sex is no longer Holy - it is a whore. Therefore, I would say that the rules are no longer valid.

Everything is acceptable.

i am just saying they can't reproduce

if you wanna get busy with a person of the same sex go right ahead
i've seen male dogs do it, and monkeys

It feels good so they do it. Pleasure over pain.

I don't have a problem with it at all but I likes the ladies

Men, take care !

Even though I don`t agree with him all the time I think calling for illmatic to be banned is wrong.

"God tells us not to hate homosexuals, he tells us to kill them."

He is just stating what he thinks is Gods word, he might be wrong in that but I don`t see him advocating the killing of anyone. That and the subsequent posts really show the bible as the progressive moral evolution of man that it is and not the word of God people think it is. First its all fire, wrath and an eye for an eye and all that which over the course of centuries matures to a more compassionate thinking.

It is sad that a topic like this comes up, people are all the same flesh, why should one part of society be judged on the moral standards of close minded individuals who lived thousands of years ago.

He originally answered the query "where in the bible does it state that", honestly, and rather astutely I might add. He was NEVER stating that as his own view...and I think that anyone who's read enough of Illmatic's posts would see that. The bible is rife with hate against homosexuals (kind of ironic given the current scandals, hehe...). Don't shoot the messenger....

I think Andrew Dice Clay said it best for me..."How can a guy, see another man's fat, hairy a$$, and go Oh yeah, I gotta have that!"??? I just don't get it. Not my cup of tea to be sure...

However, my brother is gay, and it forced me to be a little more aware of the situation. Homosexuals don't choose to be gay (who would choose a life of persecution?), they just are...

I personally have nothing against gay's ... Until they start hitting on me. Then they're #ing dead. Our anus was meant for one thing and one thing only. Taking a big crap. Not recieving a big dick. Although I do enjoy the occasional anal sex with my wife, I don't think that make's me gay lol

Ill,

This time, you were right, I respect you for that. As I was reading everyone jump on you right away after your post, I couldn't understand why they didn't just check into what you said ... It kinda amaze's me. Congradulation's on remaining clam, you turned out the better half this time.

There is one thing that I have noticed about a lot of Gay men. They were either abused as a child or they were influnced at a younger age by an older man. I'm just going on what I have noticed

Originally posted by The Muffin MAn
Is being a homo bad? Is it indecient? Is it satan getting into people? Is it just a way of life? Is it natural?

Homosexual behavior is a natural thing. It exists in nature and is genetically conditioned. In the Law of the Tannakh (OT) sex between two men is looked uppon as an abomination and punnished with death. It's important to understand that the real reason behind it being abominable is that it is because it is concidered adultary or fornication of an abominable kind, because two men or two women can't marry. The same is the matter with Paul in the NT. He addresses adultarous behaviour within the congregations, men who leaves their wives to engage in extra marrital sex with other men. The bible says any kind of sex outside marriage is to be concidered fornication and adultary. Jesus was extreme on this point. He even said that if you so much as think about having a sexual afair, you have commited adultary.

To say that the bible speeks of homosexuality as something evil is to lie. To use the destruction of Sodom, Gomorra, Admah and Sebojjim to proove such views are also false, for these cities were all destroyed because of their extensive adultary towards God and fellows alike. They were destroyed for their genal iniquities, their ungodliness and unrightiousness. Read the Prophets to understand this. These cities were all Ba'al centres, and they weren't more gay than other people. Anal sex between men of the same gender was prescribed in certain religious rituals, such rituals was common throughout OT time and was connected to the worshipping of the Ba'als. Other Ba'al rituals included women having sex with calves etc. That's why this sexual absurdity is mentioned in the Law too. It is written to display how absurd the Ba'al worshipping is. They did these things because they believed they would get better crops and more children. In fear of the gods they did these things to calm Ba'al down so to speek, just like they in other cultures sacrificed children to Molloch etc. God hates these meaningless and absurd offerings, therefore his words concerning these things in the bible. And the fact that marriage demands virginity throughout the bible is also important to remember. A gay Christian is just as good as a hetrosexual Christian and should be treated like any other brother in Christ.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Mikro,

Ill just quoted something from the bible about gay's ... didn't you read it yet?

Mikro, you'd better go and read the whole book, rather than just reading someone else's excuse for homosexuality as that line of reasoning is extremely flawed. It is clear that it is an abomination, along with with other things. Interesting, however, that we act as this particular abomination is worse than that particular abomination. We'll nudge-nudge-wink-wink a little adultry, and that is something that hurts alot of people, like spouses and children.

Abstract, I wouldn't dare judge, that is to say whether one is going to Hell or not. I can tell you what will cause you to go there, but as I have no idea what you have in your future, the choices you'll make, I can no more tell that than what the lottery numbers will be this weekend. I can determine if the actions exhibited by someone is wrong or not. God didn't tell us to walk around blindly. You will know the tree by the fruit it bears.
We're also supposed to love people, know that were it not but for the grace of God there go I, and try and reach out to them, and hopefully they will bring Christ into their hearts. Even after then, we are still weak in this flesh and we'll fall on our faces from time to time.

As far as banning Illuminati, you can forget that. He has crossed no line, incited violence toward nobody, has only answered the question posed to people by this thread. Personally, I'm surprised you folks even bothered to respond to this worn out and simplistic thread. It's not like it wasn't argued over just a few weeks ago, again.

corinthians 6:9( i can't remeber first or second) but in my KJV it says homo's=bad, wrong

Originally posted by e-nonymous
Mikro,

Ill just quoted something from the bible about gay's ... didn't you read it yet?

Yes I'm familiar with the quote, and it was this quote I wrote about in perticular. Out of context Leviticus 18:22 reads: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination". But seen in context it's indirectly a description of the religious customs among the Egyptians and the Canaanites. If you read the opening lines of this chapter you'll understand this. God says that the Israelites should not follow the customs among these peoples and then lists up examples, one of them being men having sex with men. It was important to point out that sex between men are also to be concidered fornication, the ten commandments of Exodus doesn't say it, therefore it is explained in details in Leviticus:

Leviticus 18:1�And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2�Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God. 3�After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. 4�Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. 5�Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

You must remember that all kinds of extra marrital sex was concidered fornication. The quote from Leviticus just shows that men having sex with men is also concidered fornication and shall also be punnished with death. Any kind of sex outside the chains of marriage is punnished with death in the Law. To say that homosexual fornication is worse than the hetrosexual fornication is baseless. Both things are abominable in the eyes of God. It is not a sin for someone to fall in love with someone of their own gender, but any sexual act would be concidered fornication in the Law as it doesn't recognice homosexual marriage.

I am personally positive to the idea that gay people should be allowed to marry. I know it's a bit radical, but what two adults do behind closed doors with the lights turned off doesn't bother me as long as it is done freewillingly and doesn't harm any third person. We must also remember that many people feel offended by the thought of two men having sex, and some even feel threatened by gay people, but to let these people set presidence for what their diametrical opponents should do or not do would be unfair. It should be common knowledge that the bible only speeks about different kinds of fornication to point out that all sex outside marriage is sinful, not just the obvious. Remember that the biblical God is in war with Ba'alism in perticular, and the referances to sex between two men, incest and animal sex is directly references to spesific rituals and customs related to Ba'alism. God explains to us what he finds abominable with the Ba'al worshipping. And explain for the Israelites how it is in contrast to the Law of God.

To the people who say that God destroyed Sodom because they were gay. Go buy some new glasses and turn on your brains. God explains his patience and longsuffering with Israel by showing us how he has treated neighboring countries/cities for iniquities less worse that those of Israel in the excerpt from Ezekiel below:

Ezekiel 16:49�Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50�And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me. When I saw that, I took them away as I saw good (the last sentance is edited a little according to the source).

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 26-4-2003 by mikromarius]

[Edited on 26-4-2003 by mikromarius]

Homosexuality is wrong. If you believe in god, almost every religion says that homosexuality is wrong. The liberal press are the ones advocating it.
Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings now, do we? Fluck it. I'll tell you, if you're gay, and I see you on the street, I won't call you a faggot. But I'll be thinking it.
Why do schools advocate this sh�t? In california, some student 'safety' act (don't remember precisley what it is called) says that teachers SHOULD teach that Homo-, bi- and trans- sexuality is ok, AND is even normal behavior. WHAT THE FlUCK??? THIS IS WRONG!!!

But If I went and taught that it was wrong, I WOULD BE FIRED.... You see this socialism going on.
A teacher tried saying that homosexuality is wrong. BAM!!! FIRED!!!!


[Edited on 26-4-2003 by mouko_ryuu]

[Edited on 26-4-2003 by mouko_ryuu]

Originally posted by The Muffin MAn
Is being a homo bad? Is it indecient? Is it satan getting into people? Is it just a way of life? Is it natural?

Obviously, Gay dont have the brain cells to attract the women therefore God is gay. you aint sure if God is he or she. Transexual? possible.

You are going to burn in hell. What, think there isn't one? Then why the reference to God?